vvvslaxman Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 I have heard various theories. But one that i remember is Tendulkar despite lack of genuine quick bowlers in India, uses this 15 yard technique where he would bat 15 yard from bowler as against 22 yards. He would practice with wet Tennis ball to practice that. I am not even sure if these guys adopt any kind of practice to negotiate short stuffs. Even if you don't score you should be able to leave it comfortably. Another technique is having a throw down from someone in different areas and different heights to improve the reflex. It is generally a responsibility of coach. Kirsten has to step in big time here. This is getting beyond joke now.
rabinjackman Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 there is a simillar thread ... but in jokes section :winky:
vvvslaxman Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 there is a simillar thread ... but in jokes section :winky: :haha: First time i visited joke section since being a member !!
rabinjackman Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 :haha: First time i visited joke section since being a member !! i actually didnt realise that it was a joke, i honestly posted videos of tendulkar's upper cut strokes, and then later realised that the roshanrocks was joking. But i did find one murali funny video and posted it there lolz
zen Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 practice with the tennis ball .... get someone to throw at you from a shorter distance If you wet the tennis ball then it is going to skid from the surface without much movement and you can play through the line, so to practice against both bounce and movement, you need a dry tennis ball Also when someone is throwing the ball (in full flow) from a shorter distance, it comes to you very fast (naturally) so it improves your reflexes too PS not kidding :P
rabinjackman Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 first "rett" you have to shadow practise the actual stroke lolz, indian batsmen dont seem the play the hook or pull shot the copybook style. practice makes man perfect, so i gues BCCI should start a short ball training camp for ALL Indian batsmen including domestic players lolz
thevortex Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 There are various things that people tend to do - ask the bowler to bowl from a closer distance, with a wet tennis or rubber cork ball etc. I personally think that the best approximation of fast bouncy surfaces would come with very hard plastic balls on a concrete surface. To an extent even playing your early cricket on matting wickets may also help. Matting wickets have other problems where it breeds batsmen overtly dependant on the pitches to have absolutely trusting bounce and pace, but as far as quick bounce is concerned mats are good - primarily because you will get pace and bounce regardless of the wicket underneath. All said and done, I think it is a very negative thing to say that Indians are not good at pulling. Yesterday Dhoni and the Indian coach lost their brain with team selection as well as strategy. Its simple enough to accept that and move on. By the way I dont think there is anybody holding a willow who will say that I am completely comfortable facing searing bouncers directed at face and body at 150 kmph+. Australians included.
Nova Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 You bounce as the ball bounces. How about wearing some jump shoes.
vvvslaxman Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 By the way I dont think there is anybody holding a willow who will say that I am completely comfortable facing searing bouncers directed at face and body at 150 kmph+. Australians included. But we are the one getting targeted repeatedly. Subcontinent players in general. I do not think they practice the right way to make it a habit to pick the right ball to go after. Shot selection is very very vital when you play pull. There are certain lines, lengths you simply cannot pull. Batsmen should know it instinctively. As a bastman you have to judge the pace of the pitch and play accordingly. Gambhir's wicket seemed to be due to his desire to prove a point against short ball more than anything else. Basically error in judgement.
Gunner_Mania Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Excerpts from an old Sehwag interview. Dropped from the team, he told his coach Sharma that he was not good enough to play quick bowling. “Even before my bat was down, Shoaib Akhtar’s delivery had rammed into my pads. I couldn’t even see the ball, leave alone play it,” he says. By now his desire and ambition had multiplied and a way was found to make Sehwag face genuine pace. Buckets of water were poured on the cemented wicket at Sharmaji’s academy and wet cork balls and tennis balls were bowled at him by pacers from a distance of 16 yards. Balls would fly around him but Sehwag would not be able to connect. “But once Sharmaji directed the bowlers to bowl at my body, the whole thing worked. I had to defend myself and in no time the ball started to find the meat of my bat.” This practice continued for hours and days and if Sehwag is today a skillful player of genuine pace, he has to thank his coach and his training methods for that. http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/celebwatch/The-Hitman/Article1-497730.aspx
vvvslaxman Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 Excerpts from an old Sehwag interview. http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/celebwatch/The-Hitman/Article1-497730.aspx That was a fanastic bit of information :winky: . All great batsmen from Bradman, Tendulkar were great because they worked hard and constantly improved themselves.
vvvslaxman Posted May 8, 2010 Author Posted May 8, 2010 “Sharmaji laid great emphasis on my achieving the right balance while playing my shots, especially the transfer of weight from back to front. His methods of correcting my mistakes were very innovative. For instance, I used to drag my back leg while driving the ball. He tied a string to my leg, and stood behind the wickets while I was batting, holding the string. If I dragged my leg, he would hold the string tight, not letting me do so.” - wow This guy is one unorthodox coach. Any chance hiring him for training guys like Raina
thevortex Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 But we are the one getting targeted repeatedly. Subcontinent players in general. I do not think they practice the right way to make it a habit to pick the right ball to go after. Shot selection is very very vital when you play pull. There are certain lines, lengths you simply cannot pull. Batsmen should know it instinctively. As a bastman you have to judge the pace of the pitch and play accordingly. Gambhir's wicket seemed to be due to his desire to prove a point against short ball more than anything else. Basically error in judgement. That is because we are the ones readily apologetic about getting hammered with short balls. It is as if we have some deep racial memory or something. It is ridiculous. Shastri drools on Gautam Gambhir's ability both against spin as well as against the short ball. I have never been completely convinced - on both counts. Against both spin and pace he is at his best only when he is playing shots. On the surface one might feel that is not so bad a place to be. But then at the highest level, cricket is about respecting the bowler as well - from time to time. Even in T20. And there, Gambhir fails. The evidence is all there even in the past. Also I would not go around calling Rohit Sharma the best puller in the team because he scored runs. That sort of judgment is best left to our 'experts' at NDTV and other news channels who have to say something to keep the viewers interested for a couple of minutes. :)
SJS50 Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 First and foremost . . . you learn to play back. Lots of sub-continental players just plonk their left foot forward and play from there. This is a recipe for disaster. Unfortunately no one seems to be correcting them early on. So much for people who talk of "no need for coaching". It is clear that in some parts of the world, and within countries, in some parts players do not go back at all except to rank long hops from slower bowlers. The emphasis on front foot is alarming with youngsters and it has become an epidemic. This is basic. After that comes the problem of the type of wickets one plays on and the bowlers one faces.
flamy Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Excerpts from an old Sehwag interview. http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/celebwatch/The-Hitman/Article1-497730.aspx Awesome! Sehwag “Sharmaji laid great emphasis on my achieving the right balance while playing my shots' date=' especially the transfer[b'] of weight from back to front. His methods of correcting my mistakes were very innovative. For instance, I used to drag my back leg while driving the ball. He tied a string to my leg, and stood behind the wickets while I was batting, holding the string. If I dragged my leg, he would hold the string tight, not letting me do so.†- wow This guy is one unorthodox coach. Any chance hiring him for training guys like Raina Sharmaji Sehwag should ask him to help out some of our young brigade
thevortex Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 First and foremost . . . you learn to play back. Lots of sub-continental players just plonk their left foot forward and play from there. This is a recipe for disaster. Unfortunately no one seems to be correcting them early on. So much for people who talk of "no need for coaching". It is clear that in some parts of the world, and within countries, in some parts players do not go back at all except to rank long hops from slower bowlers. The emphasis on front foot is alarming with youngsters and it has become an epidemic. This is basic. After that comes the problem of the type of wickets one plays on and the bowlers one faces. To an extent, playing ones early cricket on matting wickets could help in this scenario, SJS. That was what I was trying to explain.
saneindian Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Sensible batting can also help. How about settling down first before playing your shots. Be ready to take a few blows on your body in the process and dont try attacking shots early on in the innings. Remember Gambhir using this tactic at Durban in 2007. Played himself in before playing shots, worked well for him.
Jersey #10 Posted May 8, 2010 Posted May 8, 2010 Set up 5 fielders near square leg and fine leg. Then ask the bowling machine to bowl 150+ kph and short of length. Ask each player to smack at lest 500 of those deliveries for a week and then see how natural it becomes. Bloody training is what we need.
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