Is IPL one of the reasons for India's dismal performance in World T20, 2010?

[Sachinism]

This thread was bumped by Sachinism to suggest that we've crashed out of T20 world cup because of IPL. The only relevant point raised against IPL so far has been that it might tire out our players. Dhoni has already ruled it out. What's the fuss about?

No I bumped the topic to find out how much IPL has helped Indian cricket, as that's what we were told it would do.

[The Outsider]

1) Again wrong. Newzealand players were playing non stop cricket before IPL so they have been playing as much as we did.

So? Check up the number of international matches NZ players play compared to India in the year.

2) Totally wrong, what players can you name them?? As far as I know, AB Devillers, AB Morkel, Steyn etc did fairly well.

LOL at Kabira! De Villiers average 38. SR 122 Morkel average 20. SR 160 Boucher average 10. SR 85 Smith average 22. SR 120 Kallis average 34. SR 116 Duminy average 23. SR 136 Gibbs average 14. SR 100 Steyn ER 7, M Morkel 8, Merwe 10 Besides De Villiers no one's performance can be called good. Morkel was average, the rest were ordinary to crap!

3) Whatever, lot of them were with the team all through out.

So?

4) That applies to india too, some of the players don't play test and ODIs, like Chawla, Murali, Rohit Sharma, Pathan to some extent, even they are T20 specialist. LOL at Shwetabh.

But the core of our team is Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Harbhajan, Dhoni, and Ishant(till recent) who feature in all formats and the IPL.

[vvvslaxman]

This stupid ICC has this criteria of not allowing teams to select outside 30.

[kabira]

LOL at Kabira! De Villiers average 38. SR 122 Morkel average 20. SR 160 Boucher average 10. SR 85 Smith average 22. SR 120 Kallis average 34. SR 116 Duminy average 23. SR 136 Gibbs average 14. SR 100 LOL Morkel won them game NZland. Duminy never got chance, Kallis did what he does best even in IPL his SR Was same. Smith missed best of the IPL, Gibbs is past his prime mere passenger, even for deccan chargers. I still don't see what point you are trying to make. >So? Check up the number of international matches NZ players play compared to India in the year. again LOL, are we going to see last years calendar? last 5 years calender? NZL played high profile series against Pakis, then they had series v/s Bangla and then mighty Aussies, then week or two of IPL then WC. India 2 tests v/s Bangla, 2 v/s RSA, 3 v/s Lanka, few ODIs in between I don't see any difference in workload of Vettori or Sehwag?

[kabira]

I give up. IPL causes no fatigue and injury. It's all great for Indian cricket. Just wait and watch till it takes us to new heights in around 100 years for that's how long it took Ranji Trophy to take us to number 1. Enjoy, have fun, adios! :bye:

It never was great, as its T20, we are not going to become world champion in tests thru IPL, IPL never promised that. you are only hung up on IPL, England has big t20 bash, SA has Pro20, Aussies have Big Bash. and last I heard aussies are planning to expand their big bash and schedule such a way that big players play. So is Australia going down as well?? LOL at Shwetabh

[Precambrian]

Ha ha ha. Lol @ IPL blame. How'd have no IPL helped us? We would be playing with Joginder Sharmas and RP Singhs :hysterical:

[Params7]

Yeah it'd be funny if they abolish IPL and the Indian team still loses.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

if fatigue wasnt an issue then why is india sending reserves to zimbabwe.

[Tapioca]

So? Check up the number of international matches NZ players play compared to India in the year.

The number of matches played by NZers in IPL-3 Bond 8 Vettori 3 McCullum 5 Oram 0 (I thought he played in some matches) Taylor 7 But even though they did not play too many games, if they had to travel, practice and party, that would be quite stressful in itself

[Ranjha]

Ban the stupid IPL Who wants to see the majority of players from a nation which cant even win one super 8 game compete? Its a competition for minnows. Players liek Yuvraj singh, dhoni etc look completely disinterested in international t20s after earning money in 3 ipls now and dhoni had the nerves to say before the sl game that expecting them to win by 20 runs is too much to ask from them. Whats he doing in Indian uniform then?

[thevortex]

There is really no comparison between IPL and the T20 World cup. The former is a domestic tournament - yes with lots of razzmatazz but ultimately only a domestic tournament. Why are we surprised that there is a gulf between that and the T20 world cup. For starters the quality of fielding that we see in the T20 world cup is far, far away from what was on offer in the IPL. Lets not delude ourselves that way. Secondly - why do we believe that some sort of supreme consistency can be achieved with respect to T20 cricket? The format itself is in its infancy. I strongly suspect that this is not the format where the strongest team wins. It is too short and fast to allow the rein of talent, control and experience. Raw emotions and adrenaline can and will triumph from time to time. That is why it is exciting to such a lot of people.

[Jai Ho]

**** ipl

[Precambrian]

It's unbelievable how people are missing the point here. How does banning IPL help India win t20 tournaments? It's like saying ban Ranji trophy if we lost a few test series. Right up there with 'Blame Sachin for not playing in this WC' thread in terms of moronness. The only drawback I can see with IPL is that they could've preponed the tournament by a week so that the players could get some time to get used to Windies surfaces.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Did IPL make us poor players of Short balls? Did IPL make make our trundlers bowl badly? Ironically, the best Indian players in IPL like Raina, Bhajji are the best performers in the WC and yet people want to ban IPL.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Did IPL make us poor players of Short balls? Did IPL make make our trundlers bowl badly? Ironically, the best Indian players in IPL like Raina, Bhajji are the best performers in the WC and yet people want to ban IPL.

[Watson87]

Did IPL make us poor players of Short balls? Did IPL make make our trundlers bowl badly? Ironically' date=' the best Indian players in IPL like Raina, Bhajji are the best performers in the WC and yet people want to ban IPL.[/quote'] Zaheer Khan, Yousuf Pathan, Murali Vijay, Ashish Nehra, Nohit Sharma and Dhoni were the megastars of IPL, whatever happened to them, shceduling IPL before a tournament like T20 world cup really fecked us up, players were tired and looked disinterested. Also playing in flat tracks all the time is a major downfall, I wonder what is going to happen to our test team after the retirement of God, VVS and Rahul:(( . No one has the balls to play short deliveries, all are flat track bullies, couldn't even handle the third class west indian pacers

[FairCricket]

i dont know which country they gonna held t20 wc next year , but if india want to improve they better organize ipl in that country

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin, Mishra, Kartik and Ojha were terrific on those flat pitches in India. What did we do we picked Jaddu and Chawla :wall:

[Sooda]

What Mr Monga has to say.. good article... -------- Thanks for coming, India For the second season running, India's IPL stars have been exposed at the World Twenty20, and apart from technical short-comings, it suggests a shocking lack of respect for the international game and the challenges it poses Sidharth Monga May 12, 2010 Comments: 41 | Login via | Text size: A | A Bouncers returned to trouble India, much like they did in England last year, but the team was shockingly unprepared to handle them © AFP Related Links News : India's island dreams shatter again Bulletin : Sri Lankan win knocks India out Players/Officials: MS Dhoni Matches: India v Sri Lanka at Gros Islet Series/Tournaments: ICC World Twenty20 Teams: India | Sri Lanka It was almost farcical. A group of nervous West Indies players was actually hoping an underprepared, lethargic Indian side would keep them alive in the tournament by beating Sri Lanka. As India went about conceding 33 runs in the last two overs - admittedly they didn't have any interest left in the tournament - the IPL final came to mind. Kieron Pollard seemed like he was pulling off a heist against Chennai Super Kings when MS Dhoni came up with the move of a genius. He placed a mid-off almost behind the umpire, and a long-off almost behind him. The bowler was asked to bowl full and straight, and err, if he had to, on the fuller side. Lo, Pollard is out caught at the very straight mid-off. Later Dhoni explained how he had not pulled a rabbit out of the hat, and how it had been a rehearsed move that had worked against such big hitters as Matthew Hayden in their warm-up games. Yes, Indian cricketers have time to prepare and play warm-up games for the IPL, but not for major international events like the World Twenty20. How impotent their batsmen must feel. They knew exactly where they would be hit, they had enough time - about a year - to prepare for it, yet they reacted to balls headed for their rib cage and upwards almost as if it was a hitherto unknown underhand tactic. And there was no devil in the Kensington Oval track either: it just offered pace and true bounce. No sideways movement, no unplayable swing. Unlike Dhoni with his genius move in the great IPL final, not many in the batting line-up can be said to have worked endlessly in the nets, at camps, during warm-up matches, to try and eliminate the weakness that was pointed out to them a year ago, by the likes of Luke Wright among others. Between the real important cricket, a number of needless ODI series and tri-series involving Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, both outside their FTP commitments and both involving BCCI's unconditional allies in cricket politics, the IPL (demanding schedule, travel, inane media work, mandatory late-night parties); and the false confidence that the flat pitches and hyperbole during the IPL tends to create, who has the time to think about bouncers? If they had had the time, at least some improvement would have shown. They actually seemed more clueless this time around. For two editions running India haven't won a Super Eights game. But it is the manner of the defeats, almost identical to anytime this line-up bats on a bouncy track, that will hurt them more. To be fair to them, there is hardly any time in Twenty20s to duck under a few bouncers and try to wear the bowlers down. There is a reason, though, why such tactics are not tried against the likes of Mahela Jayawardene, Shane Watson, Kevin Pietersen, et al. The bowlers know those men can hook them for sixes; the Indians' only scoring shot to well-directed bouncers has been the top edge over the keeper's head. Their team-mate Virender Sehwag is a perfect man to learn from. Bowlers tried bowling short at him, but don't quite like being upper-cut for six or getting whipped away for four. Suresh Raina has reiterated that if he's not allowed to plonk the front foot down, all those heaved sixes and slog-sweeps become top edges that go nowhere: against Australia he nearly played on with an edge that could have hit a low-flying aircraft. On a slow and low St Lucia pitch against Sri Lanka, he was back in form, crackling away to a good-looking 63. M Vijay, who had come across as a more solid batsman, doesn't attack the short ball. Although Gautam Gambhir did most things right, his wrists didn't drop in time, something he will now have to contend with in the longest version of the game too. Yuvraj Singh managed to keep the pull shots down, but his head kept falling away. After a couple of short ones, not nasty ones mind you, Rohit Sharma stopped moving his feet at all and kept edging slower deliveries floated outside off. India's fielding standards were below average, and of the quality on display during the IPL © AFP Neither does Yusuf Pathan enjoy the captain's confidence to bat before the game is almost over, nor has he shown the aptitude to translate his daredevil acts from the IPL ("greatest innings" and all that) to the international level. Dhoni was so psyched he picked an extra batsman in back-to-back Twenty20 internationals, going with just three bowlers, much like he invariably did in the IPL , where he picked one of Manpreet Gony, Joginder Sharma, L Balaji or Sudeep Tyagi as a specialist bowler. The bouncer actually did the team a favour. It hid that the captain seemed to have no confidence in the specialist bowlers given by selectors (R Vinay Kumar was finally played when Praveen Kumar had returned home, Umesh Yadav had travelled by the wrong visa, and Zaheer Khan too had a niggle). That the captain was not only defensive, he was stubborn too. That Gambhir ran between the wickets in a manner that Ravi Shastri called pathetic - and it takes a lot to get Shastri to utter a negative word on air. Nor does Gambhir usually convert threes into twos. It hid that India's fielding continued to match the IPL standards, minus the crazy catches pulled off by the likes of David Hussey. It turns out there is a far wider gap between the quality of cricket in IPL and internationals than the Indian team lets on. Their coach, though, is slightly old-fashioned and saner. For last year's embarrassment, Gary Kirsten blamed the IPL fatigue and the sudden shift from that substandard cricket to top-quality international stuff, without sugar-coating his words. He also spoke about how his team had handed Australia their worst Test-series defeat in recent time, and that it followed a gruelling camp was not a coincidence. Only a board as deafened-by-the-sound-of-money as India's could have not listened to the man. This time he may as well ask for subtitles. The IPL tragics often cite India's No. 1 ranking in Tests to make themselves believe the cricket can't be so bad. Therein lies the major flaw too: Sachin Tendulkar, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman are too established and too good to let a hit-and-giggle league effect their techniques or work ethic. And it's because of them, and not the IPL stars, that India are No. 1 in Tests. Dhoni admits his side is tired. He says that's the reality of being an India cricketer. He admits most of his line-up can't attack the well-directed bouncer. He says his spinners bowled flat and his seamers kept bowling the same pace. He says his side didn't play to its potential. Yet he finds nothing wrong in either the IPL or the scheduling. Yet clearer signs of either a tired or unprepared side could not have been cited. While defending the IPL and the scheduling, Dhoni said, "Players need to be smart because IPL is not only about cricket. You have to respect your body, and if you don't do that the IPL is draining." The team and the board will do well to add international cricket to the to-respect list.

[Chandan]

This thread was bumped by Sachinism to suggest that we've crashed out of T20 world cup because of IPL. The only relevant point raised against IPL so far has been that it might tire out our players. Dhoni has already ruled it out. What's the fuss about?

No. Dhoni has not ruled it out. In fact he has openly blamed IPL for the poor show. Did you see the press conference? Perhaps you didn't, but I did. These are the things he said: Parties, travel take a toll, says Dhoni after India's T20 exit : NDTV Parties, travelling during IPL took a toll on fitness: Dhoni : HINDU Dhoni blames IPL for World T20 debacle : INDIA TODAY There are many more links which you can check. He basically said this:

After a hat-trick of humiliating defeats in the Super 8 stage that saw India being thrown out of World T20 championship on Tuesday, skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni blamed the loss on IPL. According to the captain, the IPL parties have hurt India. Calling the IPL parties a distraction, Dhoni has held them responsible for player burnout. Blaming the IPL for the poor performance of his team in the world championship, Dhoni said late night games and parties wore out the players. He felt that the players have been adversely affected by the overdose of IPL and advised them to learn to balance between the game and the parties. Speaking to media after the humiliating loss to Sri Lanka Dhoni said, "IPL parties hurt India. It is a distraction for players. Late night games and parties can wear out players. Players should know how to balance between the two. Thankfully next year WC is before IPL."