Mamu Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 Anybbody thinking otherwise have an advice for you. Stop Smokng Pot! KABUL: Pakistani military intelligence not only funds and trains Taliban fighters in Afghanistan but is officially represented on the movement's leadership council, giving in significant influence over operations, a report said. The report, published by the London School of Economics, a leading British institution, on Sunday, said research strongly suggested support for the Taliban was the "official policy" of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI). Although links between the ISI and Islamist militants have been widely suspected for a long time, the report's findings, which it said were corroborated by two senior Western security officials, could raise more concerns in the West over Pakistan's commitment to help end the war in Afghanistan. The report also said Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari was reported to have visited senior Taliban prisoners in Pakistan earlier this year, where he is believed to have promised their release and help for militant operations, suggesting support for the Taliban "is approved at the highest level of Pakistan's civilian government." A Pakistani diplomatic source described that report as "naive," and also said any talks with the Taliban were up to the Afghan government. "Pakistan appears to be playing a double-game of astonishing magnitude," said the report, based on interviews with Taliban commanders and former senior Taliban ministers as well as Western and Afghan security officials. "Duplicity" In March 2009, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, and General David Petraeus, head of US Central Command, said they had indications elements in the ISI supported the Taliban and al-Qaida and said the agency must end such activities. Nevertheless, senior Western officials have been reluctant to talk publicly on the subject for fear of damaging possible cooperation from Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state Washington has propped up with billions of dollars in military and economic aid. "The Pakistan government's apparent duplicity -- and awareness of it among the American public and political establishment -- could have enormous geo-political implications," said the report's author, Matt Waldman, a fellow at Harvard University. "Without a change in Pakistani behavior it will be difficult if not impossible for international forces and the Afghan government to make progress against the insurgency," Waldman said in the report. The report comes at the end of one of the bloodiest weeks for foreign troops in Afghanistan -- more than 21 have been killed this week -- and at a time when the insurgency is at its most violent. More than 1,800 foreign troops, including some 1,100 Americans, have died in Afghanistan since US-backed Afghan forces overthrew the Taliban in late 2001. The war has already cost the United States around $300 billion and now costs more than $70 billion a year, the report said, citing 2009 U.S. Congressional research figures. Violent regions The report said interviews with Taliban commanders in some of the most violent regions in Afghanistan "suggest that Pakistan continues to give extensive support to the insurgency in terms of funding, munitions and supplies." "These accounts were corroborated by former Taliban ministers, a Western analyst and a senior UN official based in Kabul, who said the Taliban largely depend on funding from the ISI and groups in Gulf countries," the report said. Almost all of the Taliban commanders interviewed in the report also believed the ISI was represented on the Quetta Shura, the Taliban's supreme leadership council based in Pakistan. "Interviews strongly suggest that the ISI has representatives on the (Quetta) Shura, either as participants or observers, and the agency is thus involved at the highest level of the movement," the report said. The report also stated that Pakistani President Zardari, along with a senior ISI official, allegedly visited some 50 senior Taliban prisoners at a secret location in Pakistan where he told them they had been arrested only because he was under pressure from the United States. "(This) suggests that the policy is approved at the highest level of Pakistan's civilian government," the report said. Afghanistan has also been highly critical of Pakistan's ISI involvement in the conflict in Afghanistan. Last week, the former director of Afghanistan's intelligence service, Amrullah Saleh, resigned saying he had become an obstacle to President Hamid Karzai's plans to negotiate with the insurgents. In an exclusive interview with Reuters at his home a day after he resigned, Saleh said the ISI was "part of the landscape of destruction in this country." "It will be a waste of time to provide evidence of ISI involvement. They are a part of it. The Pakistani army of which ISI is a part, they know where the Taliban leaders are -- in their safe houses," he said.
EnterTheVoid Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 What about the Taliban who are busy blowing mosques in the land of pure ? :bebored:
achilles Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 Must be shocking in the other part of the world. Its common knowledge in the subcontinent, I feel. What say, Mamu? where is the source? http://blogs.reuters.com/jonathon-burch/
punjabi_khota Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 surprise :woot: ...:phehehe: The paki *********s will never mend their ways..
asterix Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 You don't need a LSE research to come to this conclusion. Complete waste of time and money on this useless research. Pakistan has always been the 'part of the problem' in this region (and slowly gaining reputation of being the only problem in the World) and not the 'part of the solution'.
Mamu Posted June 13, 2010 Author Posted June 13, 2010 You don't need a LSE research to come to this conclusion. Complete waste of time and money on this useless research. Pakistan has always been the 'part of the problem' in this region (and slowly gaining reputation of being the only problem in the World) and not the 'part of the solution'. You are right you don't. With research from LSEs and Harvards being spwen out -- more than 50% of their population does not believe in this. Heck we have more than 50% OF THIS FORUM MEMEBERS WHO DON'T. THEY KEEP THEIR HEADS BURIED IN SAND.. Here is the scary analysis -- All this 50% is of Edcuated Paki Class. Guess what is the situation in the Un-Educated class. Or may be you don't want to guess. It is all a big bloody black hole -- with no end in sight!
Clarke Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 Its common knowledge, we'll keep discussing it and nothing will change. Pakistan Army is way stronger than any other entity in Pakistan and as long as that is true, things shall remain the same.
seedhi Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 While this report states the blatantly obvious truth, what is annoying and disturbing is the solution it suggests for the problem: The only sure way to secure such cooperation is to address the fundamental causes of Pakistan’s insecurity, especially its latent and enduring conflict with India. The above is from the abstract of the report http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/06/13/SISFINAL.pdf . Once again it will be India which will be asked to sacrifice on Kashmir, terror, Indus water etc to mollify the blackmailing pakis. Great, just great!:banghead:
moumotta Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 While this report states the blatantly obvious truth, what is annoying and disturbing is the solution it suggests for the problem: The above is from the abstract of the report http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/06/13/SISFINAL.pdf . Once again it will be India which will be asked to sacrifice on Kashmir, terror, Indus water etc to mollify the blackmailing pakis. Great, just great!:banghead: Yes, we should allow them strategic depth on our side. Let them make retreat bases & safe houses in Firozpur and Jodhpur. Then they will see the futility of Taliban and disband them.
Clarke Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 While this report states the blatantly obvious truth, what is annoying and disturbing is the solution it suggests for the problem: The above is from the abstract of the report http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/06/13/SISFINAL.pdf . Once again it will be India which will be asked to sacrifice on Kashmir, terror, Indus water etc to mollify the blackmailing pakis. Great, just great!:banghead: Reminds me of Indira's interview in 1971. The clip is all i know of the interview but one can draw a lot of parallels on the neutral British response on our padosi sponsored violence in either case asking India to back off. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKiQboyDMUo]YouTube- indira[/ame]
UmarAkmal Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 :giggle: at the article. This is like saying India is Naxal , Naxal is India. :winky:
Mamu Posted June 14, 2010 Author Posted June 14, 2010 To understand this article, one needs to have a minimum level of IQ. Come back and readt it when you get there.
Texy Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Pakistan has been playing America all along..... they know...every couple of days kill off some unimportant taliban members and US will keep trusting them in "war on terror" and provide millions of dollars which will go in to ISI coffers which will help sponsor jihad in India and buy more talibans to kill as prize for US
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