Pakistan Trio Suspended by ICC in Spot Fixing Scandal

[BERGKAMP]

SENTANCE SWEEPSTAKE - Place your predictions - Butt 5 years jail Asif 3 years Amir 2 years

[Serani]

Doubt they will get prison time at all.

[Trichromatic]

Doubt they will get prison time at all.

Why?

[Zap_Brannigan]

The US military law has jurisdiction where ever an American soldier is stationed. Generally the US military would lightly sentence active servicemen. You can find such instances all over the internet. Unless there is unbelievable public pressure, then in a few token cases they would sentence the erring soldier like he/she deserves to be or hand him over to the local authorities (rare).

Only if agreed upon by both the host countries and USA and not in all circumstances. For petty assault and stealing, generally the GIs are handed back but for murder or rape, often the host countries judicial laws are enforced. Just yesterday,a GI was sentenced to 10 years in seoul for rape and torture. Besides, civilians are almost always punished by the laws of the country the crime takes place.

[Raghav_12]

Doubt they will get prison time at all.

Somehow I also feel that. I am just wondering would there be some diplomatic row between Pak and England, if England presses ahead with jail terms, if given, for these offenders.

[Asim]

Somehow I also feel that. I am just wondering would there be some diplomatic row between Pak and England' date= if England presses ahead with jail terms, if given, for these offenders.

Don't think so...

[Zap_Brannigan]

What exactly can pakistan do to hurt England diplomatically or economically? Stop exporting mangoes?

[Sarkar]

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[ganeshran]

Please stick to the topic.

[punjabi_khota]

^ Lol. It was an example. American Soldiers are tried and punished by the US military law even if they commit a crime in another country. for eg, if an American soldier kills a Japanese civilian in Okinawa after losing a game of cards to him, the soldier will be tried by US Military law and not by Japanese civilian law at a court in Okinawa. Pretty pathetic, come to think of it. But sorry, that's a digression. Lets all continue mocking the banned/ soon to be imprisoned Pakistani cricketers. :D

Bullshit. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/world/asia/american-soldier-sentenced-for-raping-a-south-korean-woman.html

[Mariyam]

Bullshit. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/world/asia/american-soldier-sentenced-for-raping-a-south-korean-woman.html

Okinawa is not in South Korea. And what you cite was the exception, not the norm. Read up on the following incident. The US made concessions due to public pressure from the Japanese. In the past, the US simply refused to relinquish their extraterritorial rights. The following is just the list of crimes committed by US servicemen in Okinawa. http://www.uchinanchu.org/history/list_of_crimes.htm A fair amount of these got away relatively lightly.

[King Tendulkar]

if u commit an offence in another country(in this case UK)' date=' whether u r a pakistani or bangladeshi, u have to serve time in that country(UK). Of course u feel ashamed of admitting u r a pakistani; thats understandable.[/quote'] :--D

[Indiafan_Hyd]

Text evidence points to other tainted tests The ICC's Anti-Corruption and Security Unit (ACSU) is set to launch its own investigation of Pakistan's tour of England in 2010 after the criminal trial into spot-fixing in London exposed more allegedly tainted matches. More players are set to come under scrutiny. Recovered text messages exposed during the trial at Southwark Crown Court revealed four more Tests appear to have been affected by spot-fixing on the tour - not just the one at Lord's. The ACSU has not been able to conduct much of an inquiry since the case brought against Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir meant that most or all of the evidence was held by the Crown and police. Once the trial is over, however, there will be a debriefing between British prosecution services and the ACSU on what can and cannot be disclosed to use in future cricket investigations. Former captain Butt and fast bowler Asif were found guilty by a jury on Tuesday of two charges relating to the bowling of three pre-determined no-balls during the Lord's Test. Two of those no-balls were delivered by Amir and one by Asif. Amir, who had pleaded guilty before the trial began, will appear at a Newton Hearing at the end of this week. The latest evidence is likely to be of interest to the ACSU as they were not granted access to it while the criminal case was ongoing. Evidence relating to the first Test against England at Trent Bridge, the second at Edgbaston and the third at The Oval was heard during the trial, though not in front of the jury, as all parties agreed it may impact on a fair trial for Butt and Asif. Evidence was also linked to the Lord's Test between Pakistan and Australia. The text traffic recovered by Canadian police specialists from agent Mazhar Majeed's mobile phone connected Pakistan players such as Kamran Akmal and Amir to alleged spot-fixing and links with bookmakers, as well as suspicious conduct at the very least. On July 12, the eve of the Lord's Test between Pakistan and Australia, Majeed received a text from a UK number thought to belong to an underground bookmaker which read: "Bro, just spoke to Sanjay. Bowling first, they should bowl in tandem first for at least first eight overs. Give away a minimum of 47 runs, in first 10 overs please." Shahid Afridi was the Pakistan captain for that Lord's Test, not Butt, but there is no inference that Afridi was involved in any wrongdoing. On July 17, when Butt was given the captaincy after the resignation of Afridi, a text from a number belonging to a suspected Indian bookmaker read: "Congratulations on captaincy of Salman Butt". There is no evidence surrounding the second Test against Australia at Headingley, Butt's first as captain, which Pakistan won. On July 28, the eve of the first Test between England and Pakistan at Trent Bridge, the same Indian number, code-named 'Raj', texted Majeed: "Got any idea of the wicket, looks like enough grass left?" On July 29, the first day of the Nottingham Test, Majeed messaged 'Raj' saying: "It is hard to do this but they will try. Two edges gave away eight in first over today so not always in their hands. They will make sure they try though." He followed that up with: "If they do it they will want to be paid." On July 30, day two of the Trent Bridge Test, Majeed texted a UK number suspected to be one of his bookmaker contacts. He said: "Boss, you can see they have done it." And later he said to the same contact: "Kamran's one will still be on if another wicket." On the same day 'Raj' messaged Majeed: "I'm very shocked and speechless about what the boys have done today. I am not able to understand what they in store. At this rate they will ruin our lives. Despite my request - one run in last ball of 100th over - nothing happened." Majeed replied: "I cannot explain boss. I'll find out tonight." On August 5, the day before the second Test at Edgbaston, Majeed was in touch with an unknown Dubai number, again suspected to be an illegal bookmaker: "Are you ready to speak in 20 mins? Maz." Then on the same day, the UK bookie messaged Majeed with: "Is your Pakistan man ready for a small one tomorrow?" On August 6, the first day of the second Test at Edgbaston, there were several calls and texts from Majeed to an Indian number and also to a Dubai number. At 6pm, he texted 'Raj': "Is market on tomorrow, shall I prepare anything tomorrow?" The reply came: "Not tomorrow bro, position is not right." On August 7, day two at Edgbaston, Majeed texted 'Raj': "Bro, now Butt is out, anything we do is far too risky, let's see the position on Day 4." On August 17, the day before the Oval Test, Amir texted a number thought to belong to a Pakistani bookmaker at quarter past midnight: "Sending him bank details and asking why someone needed them at that time." Amir then sent two texts to another number in Pakistan saying: "How much and what needs to be done?" Adding, "This is going to be too much." The Pakistan contact replied to Amir: "So in the first 3, bowl however you want, and the last 2, do 8 runs?" On the same day, before the third Test, 'Raj' texted Majeed: "Umar Akmal - playing?" And Majeed instantly replied: "Yes. Malik not playing". After midnight on August 18, the first day of the Oval Test, there were numerous texts and calls between 'Raj' and Majeed, plus calls between Majeed and Butt, according to the prosecution at the trial. Butt's defence was that he would often discuss equipment with his agent Majeed or talk about dinner plans. Butt's legal team also produced a witness statement from a shop assistant at The Oval to say Butt did go to the shop at the ground to buy two pairs of trousers because he was not happy at how Majeed had not arranged for new trousers with Adidas. After an eight- and a seven-minute call between 'Raj' and Majeed, 'Raj' messaged back: "Kami (Kamran Akmal) and Aamer (Amir) minimum 13 off first 3 overs after Kami gives an indication by change of gloves with no wkt. It starts from round of overs, say 35 or 40, whichever is first after they come in together. Next 7 overs, maximum 15 runs." http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/538670.html

[Indiafan_Hyd]

All in all... Pakis never stopped Match fixing, spot fixing.. its been going on forever..

[Cricket_Guru]

nail in coffin tomorrow.

[Cricket Tragic]

Butt and Amir have appeals dismissed The former Pakistan captain Salman Butt and the teenage fast bowler Mohammad Amir will remain in prison for their full terms of 30 months and six months respectively, after their appeals against the sentences imposed at the spot-fixing trial were dismissed by the Court of Appeal on Wednesday. Butt and Amir's cases were heard in front of a three-man panel headed by the Lord Chief Justice, Igor Judge. Neither man attended the hearing, which was wrapped up inside two hours as Lord Judge stated that cricket would be "utterly impoverished" if the original punishments were allowed to be overturned. In the original trial, Butt had pleaded not guilty on two counts, conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments. His counsel, Ali Bajwa , admitted for the first time that his client had been implicated in the plot to bowl deliberate no-balls during the Lord's Test in August 2010, but argued that he had only been tempted in a one-off capacity by the size of the bung, Ž£150,000, offered by the News of the World. Bajwa presented a skeleton argument in his client's defence, drawing parallels with the MPs expenses scandal, in that the fall from grace from a high-profile position should be taken as punishment in its own right. Butt, he added, was a "broken man" as a result of his involvement in the scandal, but 30 months was a "disproportionate" punishment. Furthermore, Butt's defence argued that seeing as he had not actually bowled any one of the three no-balls at the centre of the plot, there was a case of "objectionable disparity" between his sentence of 30 months and the 12-month jail term received by Mohammad Asif, who is expected to lodge a separate appeal against his conviction in due course. However, in a damning summary, Lord Judge described the former Pakistan captain as a "malign influence" and reiterated the opinion of Justice Cooke, who had presided over the Southwark trial, that he was the "orchestrator" of the plot. In normal circumstances, Lord Judge added, he would have ruled Butt's appeal "unarguable", but he wanted to hear his submission in conjunction with that of Amir, towards whom he showed some sympathy in describing him as a "prodigious talent lost to cricket", but whose failure to co-operate fully with the ICC hearing in Doha in January ultimately undermined his appeal. Amir's counsel, Henry Blaxland, had called for his client to be released immediately, on the grounds that a suspended sentence would suffice in the circumstances, given the time he has already spent in jail. Blaxland argued that the age of Amir, who was just 18 at the time of the offence, should also be taken into account. Amir's decision to plead guilty was "courageous", added Blaxland, while the public remorse he showed in his final statement to the court at Southwark was "worthy of full and proper recognition". However, the Lord Chief Justice, a cricket follower, remarked that he had spent a lot of time "trying to bamboozle the ICC" during the Doha hearing.

[EnterTheVoid]

In before racism victim card.