"Rest" Pakistan for 2 years : Speed

[Karan114]

why bother flying in now after sleeping for so long? :hehe:

Lol, exactly. I mean, look at just how damn ****ed up the whole situation is - we have the PCB claiming that it told the players to avoid meeting the Majeeds - but the Majeeds are their agents, ffs, if they are so dodgy why they were allowed to become agents in the first place? Of course, all this would only be worth questioning if the PCB top brass wasn't involved in this whole cheating and fixing business. Meanwhile the ACSU says it was keeping tabs on Butt, Akmal and others and yet it wasn't even aware of Butt/Akmal's agents, the Majeeds's dubious character despite the PCB themselves saying so! Complete shambles.

[ensd2]

Ban the players for lifetime specially : butt , akmals brothers

[Rahul48]

Ban those players for life

[Gunner_Mania]

Give Pakistan cricket team a chance of redemption

There are two possible reactions to the alleged betting scam involving the Pakistan team: you can cut them adrift, as Martin Samuel suggested in a beautifully composed article in the Daily Mail yesterday, or you can try to get them out of this mess. The cricket authorities, with their matchless ability to get it wrong in almost every situation, will try to do a bit of both, and thus make things worse. The England and Wales Cricket Board's priority seems to be to ensure that the rest of the Pakistan tour goes ahead – but without the alleged scammers being allowed to play. This is offensive at several levels: it assumes their guilt, thus reversing the usual judicial imperative; it puts money before principle (in some ways rather appropriate in the circumstances); and it makes a mockery of the cricket which would be played. England are already much the stronger team; now Pakistan would be deprived of their two best bowlers. The matches would be pointless. Far better to scrap the rest of the tour, and, instead of playing a Pakistan XI, let England play a hastily assembled World XI, perhaps including some of the untainted Pakistan players (the supposed would-be whistleblower Shahid Afridi might, symbolically, be allowed to captain), alongside some greats of the past and the present from other countries. Put out urgent calls for Shane Warne, Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara; get Michael Vaughan and Nasser Hussain to strap their pads on one last time; organise a festival of cricket that encapsulates the most cherished features of this best of all games. And give a hefty percentage of the proceeds to flood relief in Pakistan. That's the immediate problem dealt with. The longer-term challenge – tackling the institutionalised corruption in Pakistan cricket – is, of course, more complicated. But far from banning the players involved, I would try to understand why they did it (if indeed they did), give them a slap on the wrists, and offer them one last chance. This is partly because I believe in the possibility of redemption, partly because it would be criminal (sinful even) never to allow the 18-year-old Mohammad Amir to play Test cricket again, but also because the key to the problem is not the uniquely vicious or stupid nature of Pakistan's cricketers, it is the circumstances in which they have been forced to play. The infrastructure of first-class cricket in Pakistan has always been shaky; now it is almost non-existent. Selection policies are unfathomable. Captains and players come and go with breathtaking speed. The life of the Pakistan cricketer can be nasty, brutish and short. Little wonder they take the money while they can. They are far less well paid than their English, Indian and Australian counterparts. In this series they will have been earning perhaps a tenth the amount of their rivals. How tempting it must be to bowl a no ball – something which will have little bearing on the overall match – for a substantial amount of money, more probably than they will earn for slogging away for five days against a well-paid, carefully honed team that has a battery of coaches, nutritionists, psychologists, video analysts and, no doubt, accountants to support it. This has been a series between the first world and the developing world, and is it any wonder that cracks have appeared in the team representing the latter? Pakistan have some immensely talented players, but they play in a vacuum; they are having to make it up for themselves as they go along. Also, think about the psychology of this team. They have been on the road for months, in Australia and England, living in anonymous hotels, bored to death, surrounded by sycophants and bloodsuckers offering them gifts and money … and perhaps suggesting that if they don't take the easy option bad things might befall their families back home in Pakistan. Current and former England players, blessed with the stability and comparative riches of the game here, have rushed to judgment without knowing any of the true facts or trying to understand the pressures on the Pakistan players. Pakistan currently play no home Tests because of the security situation in that country; they are a team of exiles, forced to carry on because world cricket only has nine Test-playing countries and can't afford to lose one, especially one with Pakistan's rich cricketing heritage. The roots of the game have withered in Pakistan, and this group of talented young players tour the world like cricket's equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters. They are cricketing mercenaries, and we should not be surprised if sometimes they act in that way. So, the solution? Pakistan should take a cricketing time out. This is a team that represents a failing state, and both the state and the team need help. Set up a board of unimpeachable figures from Pakistan and world cricket to set about overhauling the game in Pakistan. Identify the best 50 cricketers in Pakistan and attach two of them to county sides in England and state teams in Australia, to embed them in the structure of world cricket. Let them play in the Indian Premier League – they are currently excluded – so they can share the largesse of the top cricketers in other countries. Assume that for five years at least it will not be possible for visiting teams to tour Pakistan, so let them play "home" Tests in Sharjah and elsewhere in the Gulf, where a large population of migrant workers from Pakistan give them a base of support. The International Cricket Council (ICC) will have to underwrite all this, as well as starting to rebuild the domestic game in Pakistan. And give all past wrongdoers an amnesty. Yes, what they did was disgraceful, but special circumstances prevailed, and sadly professional sportsmen do not in general take a romantic view of sport. They are more interested in their bank balance than in beauty, put accumulation before aesthetics. It is we, the fans, who seek some grand narrative in sport, even a sort of spiritual salvation. Players just play, and happily usually play to win, since that guarantees them money and sporting longevity. When that breaks down – as in Pakistan, which no longer seems to do longevity when it comes to sporting careers and where losing can sometimes be more lucrative than winning – the rules of sport are turned upside down. Rather than condemn and punish, let's try to understand and repair – the old liberal nostrum. Recognise the structural nature of the problem in Pakistan, let the past wrongdoers carry on playing, pay them properly so they aren't tempted by shady fixers, and integrate them into world cricket. What 18-year-old hasn't done something profoundly stupid? A single violation should surely not cost him what could be a magical career? His cricketing life has just begun; let him live it. Redeemed and with 600 Test wickets in 10 years' time, he can tell succeeding generations how close he came to destruction.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/31/pakistan-cricket-team-redemption What on earth was the author smoking when writing this.?

[punjabi_khota]

The english love for pakis is well known, so no surprises. :dontknow:

[goose]

These folk just want to enjpy some decent left-arm swing.

[Rajan]

the same english press were on the forefront of boycotting Zimbabwae cricket for no fault of the poor zimbabwae players. the zimbabwae players do not even have proper cricket kits.until Harbhajan noticed and organised kits for them, they were borrowing each other's bat and beat our team in the tri nation tournament.if at all some team and cricketers deserve support and sympathy, it is the Zimbabwae cricket team and its young cricketers who are deprived of test cricket status despite no fault of theirs... if some one compares Asif, Amir and Salman butt's match fee, central contract fee, that would be more than the equivalent pay out of the entire zimbabwae cricket team. does that mean they are allowed to sell their team and go scot free? thankfully Zimbabwae cricketers do not sell their team. at the time when Mohamed Ameer and Asif bowled no balls and gave away 3 runs, the England team's total was 55-5, instead of saving his energy and trying to pick another wicket to break England's back, Ameer did not mind wasting his energy on bowling a no ball and conceding a run. for a team which has scored 80, 72, in a full innings earlier in the series, 3 runs are very precious, as they themselves proved by scoring only 74 in the very next innings. at 55 -5, 3 extra runs is 5% of the opposition score. there is no way any one could have guessed how much the england team would have scored if trott/broad got out at 105-7?3 runs would be gold dus with this pakistan batting line up! now, when u put things in perspective and understand that all Majeed was trying to show to his prospective customers is -' look, these 3 no balls would happen.after u see them, u start trusting me more. we can work out better, bigger deals, u can become very rich. the team made huge money in sydney, we too made big money.' yet, most of the apologists have conveniently ignored these and try to play down the no balls. when Marlon samuels is banned for 2 years with out any proof whatsoever, when Danish kaneria is arrested and is on bail for a spot fixing no ball offence in county cricket, when the entire pakistan team is aware of all these, if these crooks go ahead and spot fix for money, do they deserve sympathy?

[Ram]

What on earth was the author smoking when writing this.?

Don’t know, but whatever it was, it had the intended effect. :hysterical: Even a 10th grader can write a better article on this issue than this guy.

[ch1234]

You do understand that Pakistan is a unique country and their thought process is different from the rest of the world. For them, it doesn't matter who the player is, they will suspend him, un-suspend him, as per their needs, whims and fancies. Asif ranks high in their list of bowlers, when not injured and involved in any controversies. Everyone in this thread is speaking the same stuff.

I know a lot of Pakistanis and I am like living and working among them..Main thing with them, all these socially accepted right or wrong dont work with them... They have their own rights and wrongs which is driven by their own interests.. You do whatever you want i.e go and kill anyone, there will be your family and the people around you to support you and bail you out of the trouble.. If you have money, you can do anything in Pakistan. If you don't have money, you will be far away from any justice you deserve. You can murder someone and go to police station, pay some amount to police and you are out of it.. Money and the relationship which money can buy rule there..I am not surprised when I heard that these players are into fixing, as this is like normal thing for them.. The country's situation is like this.. I have interacted with people from different nationalities, and if you tell me to rank all on the basis of moral and social values, Pakistanis lie in the very bottom of the table.

[SachDan]

The english love for pakis is well known' date=' so no surprises. :dontknow:[/quote'] Martin Samuel of 'Daily Mail'. FTW !

[Patriot_Nikhil]

What a load of liberal crap!!! Lets try understanding the mentality of the guilty and make specialallowances to pardon them. What about the general public who paid money to come watch the game, expecting 100% honest effort from the players involved?! They are the real victims, not the cheats!!!

[asterix]

And in between in common enemy of PCB-ECB, Indians are implicated (any Indian bookie will do to turn the tables), that will be the 'Cherry on top of the cake'.. Ijaz Butt telling Giles Clark: "Look Giles, it's a conspiracy of Indians to break our flourishing new relationship.. Do you want the BCCI and Indians to suceed in their plans?"

[Ram]

For those people who think the Pakistani players were justified in fixing matches for money, they should read this; Harbhajan Helps Zimbabwe!

Is it true you arranged cricket kits for a few Zimbabwe cricketers? In the West Indies, I met with their former cricketers Heath Streak and Alastair Campbell. They were understandably concerned about what could be done to bring Zimbabwe back on track. It was sad to hear Zimbabwe didn’t have sponsors to fund even the basic equipment for the sport. But I was shocked to find the kind of cricket gear they were using in the West Indies. Some of their top-order batsmen carried the type of bats usually used in school cricket. I couldn’t believe it and asked how they were playing with such kits in a tournament as big as the World Cup. When I saw those school bats I realised how lucky we Indians were. I remembered my under-16 days in Jalandhar. All I had was a pair of Ace shoes in my bag. That was the world for me. It was only when I enrolled myself in the Punjab academy that I got a proper cricket gear. And then I told myself, “Wah!" How did you start the process? On return, I spoke with some of my friends. I was keen they have the right shoes, the right bats required at the highest level. Reebok volunteered to help and so did KG Sports. I also approached a friend of mine who works with ANM Sports. These three firms have been extremely supportive. I think the kits have already reached Zimbabwe by now.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/59/201005172010051702410040276801e49/%E2%80%98We-overreact%E2%80%99.html These poor Zimbabweans are so poor, they cannot even buy proper bats. So, by the same yardstick, the Zimbabweans are even more justified in fixing matches right?

[Rajan]

somehow i have a feeling that NOTW would still have some aces up their sleeves which they have not disclosed to the public till now. when their new issue comes out, they may surprise us with even more proof . read somewhere that they have submitted almost 20 hours taped video as evidence.i hope they have enough evidence to nail these crooks and ensure that all the supporters, sympathy brigade and apologists drop the pakis as hot potatoes.

[Bumper]

About the author: Martin Samuel aka Martyr Samiullah was born in London in 1972 to English parents. Martin prides himself on his astute observation skills, something that was evident even during his teenage days, when he used to repeatedly walk into a telephone pole in front of his house, while returning home from school. Martin went to Oxford to complete his PhD in psychology. His paper on "Offer a pound and get slapped" was nominated for a Nobel prize in 1994. Martin loves to ride on donkeys in his free time and can often be seen forcing donkeys in a corner & smooching them. He makes several fun trips with his family to Afghanistan where he got renamed "Martyr Samiullah" by the local tribals. A strong believer in second chances, he is a strong advocate of offering Osama Bin Laden and co, yet another chance to fly planes over Manhattan. Martin was recently in the news portrayed as a victim who lost his car (with his key on it) with its license plate reading "Door Ajar, Key Inside". Please salute Martin on his yet another master piece.

[hatja_tau]

^^ ahahahhaha, Brilliant!

[donkey]

There is an old saying, Pakistan goes to the highest bidder, same holds true for their cricketers.

[Zap_Brannigan]

If you give a paki 100 rs, he will buy a gun and shoot you If you give a paki 100 million, he will buy a nuclear weapon and shoot you...and next day complain that the 100 million wasn't enough to feeds its people!

[Rajan]

About the author: Martin Samuel aka Martyr Samiullah was born in London in 1972 to English parents. Martin prides himself on his astute observation skills, something that was evident even during his teenage days, when he used to repeatedly walk into a telephone pole in front of his house, while :hysterical::hysterical:QUOTE]

[anish233]

the author gotta come to the practical world...