Prasad right as usual on our bowlers!

[triam]

^^ I know msb but the amount of flak that Venky got a while back was sad

[Jersey #10]

The arguably "WORTHLESS COACH" of Team India has become a hero with an interview!

[jusarrived]

^^ I know msb but the amount of flak that Venky got a while back was sad

funny thing is , he never got the credit when we we winning test matches on Eng , SA etc

[msb1991]

The arguably "WORTHLESS COACH" of Team India has become a hero with an interview!

The amount of intelligent, level headed, non reactionary people who criticised Prasad while he was coach is often overestimated. A lot of people respected the progress he made with the bowlers and this interview has merely reminded them of that.

[msb1991]

^^ I know msb but the amount of flak that Venky got a while back was sad

It was sad. However, the fact that people could not see the inherent implausibility in a medium pacer coach trying to get others, more blessed with pace, to slow down, is even more sad, indeed.

[Sooda]

Nice article, and always interesting to read Fontaines thoughts on pace bowling... Venky makes a good point about Kumar, should make a test squad. He can use the new ball well and seems like a bowler who when conditions are not really going his way can keep batsmen quiet with his accuracy.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

i wonder what happened to all those ******s who criticised prasad. "OMFG, HE IS SO SLOW, IF HE WAS SLOW, HE IS GONNA MAKE EVERY1 ELSE SLOW, OH NOEEEZ, HE NEEDZ TO BE FIRED ASAP" while conveniently ignoring the impact he had on indian bowlers during the team's successful spell. ishant sharma for example, was a completely different bowler under prasad (for a start, he actually took wickets). the fickle indian public deserves nothing less.

[The Outsider]

i wonder what happened to all those ******s who criticised prasad. "OMFG, HE IS SO SLOW, IF HE WAS SLOW, HE IS GONNA MAKE EVERY1 ELSE SLOW, OH NOEEEZ, HE NEEDZ TO BE FIRED ASAP" while conveniently ignoring the impact he had on indian bowlers during the team's successful spell. ishant sharma for example, was a completely different bowler under prasad (for a start, he actually took wickets). the fickle indian public deserves nothing less.

The really funny thing is that after the successful New Zealand tour, the only cricket India played was the T20 WC, some crappy ODI series in WI (which we won), some crappy triangular series in SL (which we won), and the Champions' Trophy. At the T20 WC, it was our terrible batting against short pitch bowling that cost us, which was replicated a year later. The Champions' Trophy exit is the only thing which was attributable to a poor bowling performance, one match against Pakistan. Essentially, Prasad was sacked for a poor Indian bowling performance in one match.

[Ram]

Prasad maybe too dignified to name names in public, but he should not extend that courtesy in private. I hope coach Kirsten reads this article and immediately gives prasad a call. You can disagree on how of much of an impact prasad had as a coach, but he was certainly with all the boys for a while and must have a fair idea as to who is on the right path and who isn't. Btw, it's so depressing to read that many of our cricketers are underperforming because of attitude problems. Only yesterday, yuvraj was talking about some of our younger batsmen who may not have their priorities right and today, it's the turn of the younger bowlers. What bigger motivation than playing for one's country do these guys need? Plus, they have absolutely legends of the game like Sachin, Dravid, Kumble for inspiration. They have no excuse for underperforming.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

The really funny thing is that after the successful New Zealand tour, the only cricket India played was the T20 WC, some crappy ODI series in WI (which we won), some crappy triangular series in SL (which we won), and the Champions' Trophy. At the T20 WC, it was our terrible batting against short pitch bowling that cost us, which was replicated a year later. The Champions' Trophy exit is the only thing which was attributable to a poor bowling performance, one match against Pakistan. Essentially, Prasad was sacked for a poor Indian bowling performance in one match.

and even in that ONE game against the pakis, it was dhoni's captaincy that cost india. if anyone remembers, india had a great start, taking 3 quick wickets. then dhoni brought on these loser part timers virat kohli and yusuf pathan who completely relieved the pressure on malik and youhana. these two went on to have a game changing parternship. i dont see any improvement in indian bowlers under this new south african guy eric simons. i dont even know why india have this guy as a bowling coach. south african bowlers are different from indian bowlers - they hit the deck hard and bowling different lengths compared to indian bowlers who are more reliant on swing. u are getting a guy to coach bowlers that are completely unfamiliar to him. but of course all the retards here cannot get past prasad's lack of SHPEEEEEED as a PLAYER :crazy4: and were jacking off to some PHAAAASHT south african coach

[The Outsider]

Only yesterday' date=' yuvraj was talking about some of our younger batsmen who may not have their priorities right and today, it's the turn of the younger bowlers. [/quote'] Baah...I wouldn't take Yuvraj's word on it one bit. Kohli comes across as an extremely committed cricketer (forget the talent and ability). He has received praise for his attitude and commitment from as high quarters as Kumble and Dravid. The last thing I am looking for his fatty Yuvraj's appraisal of him. In fact, if I was MM, I would have come up with a conspiracy theory that Yuvraj said what he did due to professional jealousy. :giggle:

[The Outsider]

and even in that ONE game against the pakis, it was dhoni's captaincy that cost india. if anyone remembers, india had a great start, taking 3 quick wickets. then dhoni brought on these loser part timers virat kohli and yusuf pathan who completely relieved the pressure on malik and youhana. these two went on to have a game changing parternship. i dont see any improvement in indian bowlers under this new south african guy eric simons. i dont even know why india have this guy as a bowling coach. south african bowlers are different from indian bowlers - they hit the deck hard and bowling different lengths compared to indian bowlers who are more reliant on swing. u are getting a guy to coach bowlers that are completely unfamiliar to him. but of course all the retards here cannot get past prasad's lack of SHPEEEEEED as a PLAYER :crazy4: and were jacking off to some PHAAAASHT south african coach

Completely agree. Despite harping on these forums for years now, about how difficult and different it is to bowl on Indian pitches, everyone still expects instant results from our fast bowlers. Take a look at the fast bowlers who have been successful on their first couple of tours to India and the list will be a hall of fame of great fast bowlers like Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee. There are so many variables of fast bowling that a bowler has to pick up to bowl successfully on these tracks and conditions that it's virtually impossible for anyone but the genuine greats of the game to be successful here. However, Zaheer and Srinath have shown that through a meticulous work ethic and learning process you can succeed in India. Too bad it took Zaheer so long to master all the tricks, but on Indian tracks I would back him over any current bowler barring Steyn. I don't know where this retarded logic of 'Prasad was slow, and so he was asking our bowlers to cut pace' originates from? If you are the coach and you see a trait in one of your pupils which you did not have, will you ask him to dump it? It gives you a great working base to make a name for yourself, because your pupil already has something you never had. And anyways for all the brickbats that Prasad gets even as a bowler, he was still better than a lot of other clowns like phhaasht Dinda and Goni who have represented India recently. He won us two consecutive World Cup games against Pakistan, for a start!

[Ram]

Baah...I wouldn't take Yuvraj's word on it one bit. Kohli comes across as an extremely committed cricketer (forget the talent and ability). He has received praise for his attitude and commitment from as high quarters as Kumble and Dravid. The last thing I am looking for his fatty Yuvraj's appraisal of him. In fact, if I was MM, I would have come up with a conspiracy theory that Yuvraj said what he did due to professional jealousy. :giggle:

Yes, professional jealousy of a 10 year old international veteran against junior players still in their formative years.. :winky: If Yuvraj is seen in the IPL after match parties, then he's just too casual and carefree to be consistently successful in cricket. If he dons the role of a senior player and tries to make a sincere point about his fears for the younger generation in this era of lucrative contracts, then he's just a 'fatty whose words need to ignored..'. :P

[Ram]

"It's about their attitude, it's about their commitment", Prasad told ESPNcricinfo. "Bowlers need discipline to get up every single day in the morning, hit the gym and bowl long spells. I have not seen many bowlers bowling one-two hours. You can't bowl 20 minutes in the nets and then bowl 20 overs in matches."

Zaheer Khan has the air of a man on the prowl. When on the field, his every step is measured. He saves his energy for the final act - the kill. He has an almost intuitive knowledge of when to bust his gut and when to take it easy. He is not present at every training session and he did not train on the eve of this Test either. He may have been in the gym, or running somewhere else, doing yoga or doing nothing. His team lets him be.

http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvind2009/content/story/398265.html :hmmm:

[The Outsider]

Yes, professional jealousy of a 10 year old international veteran against junior players still in their formative years.. :winky: If Yuvraj is seen in the IPL after match parties, then he's just too casual and carefree to be consistently successful in cricket. If he dons the role of a senior player and tries to make a sincere point about his fears for the younger generation in this era of lucrative contracts, then he's just a 'fatty whose words need to ignored..'. :P

So, you'd rather choose to ignore the words of someone who does not even play international cricket anymore, but has seen Kohli from close quarters in club matches, is a bowler, his captain, and one of the great statesman of Indian cricket. Or would you ignore the words of someone who has more runs than Yuvraj can dream of scoring in gully cricket, and has been always a measure and poised voice of reason? :winky:

[Ram]

So' date=' you'd rather choose to ignore the words of someone who does not even play international cricket anymore, but has seen Kohli from close quarters in club matches, is a bowler, his captain, and one of the great statesman of Indian cricket. Or would you ignore the words of someone who has more runs than Yuvraj can dream of scoring in gully cricket, and has been always a measure and poised voice of reason? :winky:[/quote'] Calm down, where did i even bring Kohli's name in here? My opinion of Kohli has not changed based on what Yuvraj did or did not say about him. I can understand you taking exception if i said 'Kohli has attitude problems' or anything to that effect. Prasad made a point about our younger fast bowlers's attitude issues, Yuvraj said something along similar lines yesterday. How true these two gentlemen are in their assessments, no one knows. But as an Indian fan, its impossible to miss the similarity and go 'Oh dear, that is not good..'. It was a generic remark about that was not directed against any one player. :winky:

[riya]

Can't practise for 20 minutes.May be why bother if u can make plenty of money without much sweat aka IPL.

[The Outsider]

Calm down, where did i even bring Kohli's name in here? My opinion of Kohli has not changed based on what Yuvraj did or did not say about him. I can understand you taking exception if i said 'Kohli has attitude problems' or anything to that effect.

Yeah, my entire point has addressed Kohli. Yuvraj named and shamed two people in his interview - Kohli and Sharma. Sharma, I would grant given the weight he has put on, his inconsistent performances, no statements of great praise about his work ethics from people as eminent as Dravid and Kumble. But, what wrong has Kohli done? He has a very consistent scoring record in whatever chances he has got, he has been praised by everyone around him for his work ethic and commitment, except fatty Yuvi!

Prasad made a point about our younger fast bowlers's attitude issues, Yuvraj said something along similar lines yesterday. How true these two gentlemen are in their assessments, no one knows. But as an Indian fan, its impossible to miss the similarity and go 'Oh dear, that is not good..'. It was a generic remark about that was not directed against any one player. :winky:

WTF! Of course it was directed towards particular player. On one hand, if Prasad named a particular player, 'Ishant', he named him for praise. On the other hand when Porky named two particular players he named them to name and shame them - guess who they were - middle order batsmen, Kohli and Sharma.

[ludhianvi]

^^ what's with the name calling? :headshake: FWIW, I remember Kohli himself acknowledged that he made up mistakes early on but has learned from them. Ray Jennings on Kohli:

Ray Jennings, his Royal Challengers Bangalore coach, described him as "a very talented kid [who] sometimes thinks he is better than the game."

Dhoni:

Dhoni said, "He has grabbed his chances. It's important for him to be himself. You have to show off what you are and he has matured now. To us, he comes as a humble guy. He might come across differently to the world."

This is not to imply that Kohli has such problems at the moment though. Despite his temper and what not, he looks to be a very good player in my opinion. A bit of passion is not such a bad thing either.

[The Outsider]

^^ what's with the name calling? :headshake:

Strange that you find Porky's name calling of Kohli, perfectly fine and are objecting to some random person on the internet calling him Porky?:winky: