yoda Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Depends. Does this "race" have any innocents or are they entirely pure evil?
Guest Gunner Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Depends. Does this "race" have any innocents or are they entirely pure evil? LOL! Who is to judge that and based on what standards?
beetle Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I would ... You have to do what you have to do to save your nation,people family.....not a minute of hesitation.
Guest Gunner Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I would ... You have to do what you have to do to save your nation,people family.....not a minute of hesitation. Surely that is the easy option to take but not the most moral one. I can't even remember a historical occurrence when genocide was rarely required to protect oneself.
yoda Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 LOL! Who is to judge that and based on what standards? Those who have the authority will make the call, as it happens in any war, just the same way any other military decision will be taken. I am assuming when there is a race war, someone/some group will be leading "us" the race.
beetle Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Surely that is the easy option to take but not the most moral one. I can't even remember a historical occurrence when genocide was rarely required to protect oneself. It's not a genocide when the other option is getting your race/nation/family wiped out.In this scenario it is justifiable.A person is allowed to kill in self defence if it is the only option.
cowboysfan Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Surely that is the easy option to take but not the most moral one. I can't even remember a historical occurrence when genocide was rarely required to protect oneself. if this is way to deal with things then the allies should have wiped out germany after the first world war,i could have saved them 60 million lives lost during world war 2.people have a flawed notion of terrorism and real conflict.though terrorism is gruesome but its effect is negligible compared to nations at war .i dont know why indian people have such flawed feelings about this.
beetle Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 if this is way to deal with things then the allies should have wiped out germany after the first world war' date='i could have saved them 60 million lives lost during world war 2.[/quote'] Read the OP ....the opponent is trying to wipe out your entire race... If some one is trying to kill your child and the only way to stop him is to kill hm...will you try to save your child or think about this killer's child who will be orphaned. Personally speaking...I would kill or be killed to save mine.
Guest Gunner Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 It's not a genocide when the other option is getting your race/nation/family wiped out.In this scenario it is justifiable.A person is allowed to kill in self defence if it is the only option. I am sorry but wars can and have been won without committing genocide. As CBF pointed out, if this was the case, the allies could have exterminated the Germans and saved millions of lives. But I do admit that the allies lacked the means to do so until then of WW2. Us Vs them is always the case in war but genocide is not the solution. Another point being if you are able to wipe out the entire enemy race then you are obviously stronger than the opponent and "they" don't pose an existential threat so how is wiping their entire race out justified?
Guest Gunner Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 if this is way to deal with things then the allies should have wiped out germany after the first world war' date='i could have saved them 60 million lives lost during world war 2.people have a flawed notion of terrorism and real conflict.though terrorism is gruesome but its effect is negligible compared to nations at war .i dont know why indian people have such flawed feelings about this.[/quote'] I am sorry maybe my post was not clear. I am not supporting genocide.
Guest Gunner Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Those who have the authority will make the call, as it happens in any war, just the same way any other military decision will be taken. I am assuming when there is a race war, someone/some group will be leading "us" the race. So "you" will decide based on "your" standards. Perhaps your enemy has made the same assessment as you based on "their" standards. This is hardly a credible way to decide extermination of another group of people.
yoda Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 So "you" will decide based on "your" standards. Perhaps your enemy has made the same assessment as you based on "their" standards. This is hardly a credible way to decide extermination of another group of people. Of course we all take decisions based on "our" standards. If you want for all parties to come to a consensus on a standard, that's all you will be doing, waiting for ever, or in this case get wiped out first. And the enemy has obviously made decisions based on their standards which is why they want to wipe us out first.
Guest Gunner Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Of course we all take decisions based on "our" standards. If you want for all parties to come to a consensus on a standard' date=' that's all you will be doing, waiting for ever, or in this case get wiped out first. And the enemy has obviously made decisions based on their standards which is why they want to wipe us out first.[/quote'] Your initial point was "innocent" or "evil", not whether to go to war or not. You are already at war and have reached the endgame moment, the question is do you choose extermination or a conventional end to the war. I am pointing out that for this decision, evil vs innocent doesn't cut it. Its a very simplistic notion.
yoda Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Your initial point was "innocent" or "evil"' date=' not whether to go to war or not. You are already at war and have reached the endgame moment, the question is do you choose extermination or a conventional end to the war. [b']I am pointing out that for this decision, evil vs innocent doesn't cut it. Its a very simplistic notion. It is not. When you are talking about wiping them out, it becomes a moral decision, so the question of innocence/evil comes into picture. If you have a race full of Hitlers, the decision becomes easy. If there are just a few crooks running the show, you try to just take them out and save the rest.
flamy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Posted October 16, 2010 Fantastic discussion :D What a fantastic show BSG is :hatsoff:
jusarrived Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 will I dine in the process ? if not , hell yeah
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