Chandan Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Very wierd points Bublu. Did you evaluate every batsman that way, be it Viv Rihards, Sunny Gavaskar, Greg Chappell, Allan Border etc? And how many terms you have for other batsmen? Like what do call Ponting since he has a below par average in India and England? Why shouldn't we? Sehwag is from Asia, and his performance outside Asia is well worth the watch. Why exactly Mahela Jayawardena is often ridiculed for being an FTB? Because he averages 36 odd outside Asia. Another wierd question. Why should Sehwag be only from Asia? Why can't he be from Eurasia then? Or from the northern hemisphere? As for Jaya, there is huge difference between his home and away average which has nothing to do with Asia or Europe or North hemisphere or South hemisphere! Those conditions aren't exactly the same, but rather similar. Tell me are conditions vastly different in Pakistan from India or Bangladesh or Sri Lanka? Certainly. There is absolutely no comparison in the condition in Pakistan and Lanka pitches? They are vastly different. It seems you watch very few matches. Why which means did you find Karachi, Lahore, Colombo and Galle tracks to similar? True, he isn't a choker overall. I called him a choker in the 4th innings of test matches, which is true.? Have you checked his 2nd inning and 3rd inning scores to not call him something else and not bump this thread after his failure in any of these other two innings as well? In the end, what do you want to prove through this thread? That Sehwag is not a good batsman? That is your motive?
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 In the end, what do you want to prove through this thread? That Sehwag is not a good batsman? That is your motive? Just trying to point his weaknesses.
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 1. You say he is a FTB in the title ( I know you kinda backed away later) That's the point. I admitted I should have used STB instead of FTB. 2. He has a better batting record in India than away. Really? When did I say that? But according to you which is a easier place for batting SAF or India ? For players from Asia, SA is a much difficult place to bat at. Likewise, for players from outside Asia, adapting to slow turning tracks in the subcontinent is more difficult.
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 Doesnt matter . India is part of the subcontinent and most cricket is played there. The point is that you consider his achievements in Asia to be not worth anything to crow about (further confirmed by you repeatedly using the rating of CMJ ). What all this implies is that you simply don't consider achievements in Asia to be worth anything because they are flat. Not at all. I consider achievements in Asia worth a lot, and that's one reason I consider Sehwag one of the best batsman currently. I'm merely pointing out that he seems to underperform when he plays outside Asia. I have never said that performance outside Asia is worth more than performance in Asia. My point - He underperforms outside Asia (which still dosn't affect the fact that he has been one of the best Test batsman since 2008). Hence I asked the question about KD' date='AK,Zak and Javagal. Can you answer that question without being evasive ? [/quote'] I have said above that I consider Asian conditions be be equally as difficult to bat on as conditions outside Asia. The point is about adapting to conditions that are not familiar to a batsman.
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 Let me ask this in a different way ... would you have been happier if Sehwag's stats were other way round ( meaning he had a stellar record away from Asia and not so good record in Asia ) ? Given a chance which one would you prefer ? I'm happy with the way he is. I'll admit I'd have been happier if his average outside Asia were 45'ish or so.
zen Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 LINK Let's see how the avg of 39 compares with others for the period of 2000-today (Sehwag started playing tests in 2001). Of those who have played at least 10 tests, only 3 batsmen, i.e. Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman avg 50+ when playing in Aus, Eng, NZ, SA and WI. Sehwag avg 39 but at an amazing SR of 75 (that too opening the batting)! Considering how he threw his wkts away in NZ and how he was struggling for form last time we toured SA, lets see on how he did in Aus, Eng and WI: LINK His avg goes up to 54! :hatsoff:
Precambrian Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 He is a subcontinental bully. Okay he may be an FTB as well. But when a team plays 60%-70% of it's cricket on such pitches, I'd take a batsman who can be absolutely cruel in those and may tend to look over his average-below avg performances in the rest 25-30% matches, than another guy who is brilliant on those 25-30% but not good on the remaining 70%
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 He is a subcontinental bully. Okay he may be an FTB as well. But when a team plays 60%-70% of it's cricket on such pitches, I'd take a batsman who can be absolutely cruel in those and may tend to look over his average-below avg performances in the rest 25-30% matches, than another guy who is brilliant on those 25-30% but not good on the remaining 70% 100% agreed. And I ain't disputing. I'm merely outlining the fact that he hasn't performed upto his standards outside Asia.
zen Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 100% agreed. And I ain't disputing. I'm merely outlining the fact that he hasn't performed upto his standards outside Asia. :hmmmm: Correction: in NZ and SA (and the reasons have been explained by many) :winky:
gult Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I don't think it's a question of talent. He just needs to respect the conditions a little bit more, especially in the 2nd innings. It would do wonders for us . The 151 at adelaide is a prime example of that
fineleg Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 He just needs to respect the conditions a little bit more' date= especially in the 2nd innings. It would do wonders for us . The 151 at adelaide is a prime example of that EXACTLY! As far as technique, his feet does not move much, and he relies mainly on the hand-eye coordination - so he has his drawbacks. He has his own way of dealing with that, which is fine. But the biggest issue is that he needs to respect the conditions and match situations more. If he does that - he will surely have a better average in SA or NZ or Eng... He cannot always say that "I am like this wonly". It is ok some of the times to say that, but he needs to learn to give some respect for the pitch, conditions that may aid genuine fast bowling, match situations where we need a solid opening partnership etc. We are not asking him to become a Dravid, but some attention to those things will only help him improve.
flamy Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Bubllu bhuyan is the new Patriot :woot: And Waggy is the new Goddy :woot:
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 10, 2011 Author Posted January 10, 2011 :hmmmm: Correction: in NZ and SA (and the reasons have been explained by many) :winky: How about in England?
saneindian Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 How about in England? 2002 series, for the first time he opened in England and had scores of 84, 27 and 106 in his forst 3 innings. Failed in the later half of the tour and ended with an average ~40. Quite good for someone in the 1st year of his international career. It will help if you read those numbers with the proper context as well.
Bublu Bhuyan Posted January 10, 2011 Author Posted January 10, 2011 2002 series, for the first time he opened in England and had scores of 84, 27 and 106 in his forst 3 innings. Failed in the later half of the tour and ended with an average ~40. Quite good for someone in the 1st year of his international career. It will help if you read those numbers with the proper context as well. He has another tour to England coming up this year. Let's see how he performs.
zen Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 2002 series, for the first time he opened in England and had scores of 84, 27 and 106 in his forst 3 innings. Failed in the later half of the tour and ended with an average ~40. Quite good for someone in the 1st year of his international career. It will help if you read those numbers with the proper context as well. Spot on! That was early on in his career and that too when he wasn't even a regular opener that he is now. To go on to avg around 40 is not bad. That 100 and 80 odd were pretty good innings too. And an avg of 40 is not bad, it may not be earth shattering good but it's not bad either.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now