rohitsilhi Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 India at the moment is experiencing very much problems like: Sehwag- injured shoulder Tendulkar- injured/hasnt played odi for long time Gambhir- injured Yuvraj- poor fielder, poor form with bat, lost his big hitting Kohli- inexperience Dhoni- very bad batting form Praveen- injured Zaheer- not suit indian conditions Ashwin- can't even hold easy catch, I see him drop four for india Chawla- cant bowl the economy because world cup is very long and first month of matches are simply the formality, it give us much time for everyone to come back from injury and back into form so we can be prepare for knock out stage. if we were in knockout stage using current form, then we will most probably be facing embarrassing early exit. Anybody agree or disagree with me?
cowboysfan Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 i disagree completely.This long group stage will be a killer with our fragile players and a injury is very likely.You need a good bowling attack to win 3 knockout games in a row and ours is pretty substandard compared to lanka and Australia.I think we should rotate players in the group stage to keep players healthy.
Sir_Afridi Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Not only India but for all teams who have injury problems but it may back fire as well. All teams are going in WC assuming they will qualify to quarter finals by only beating the minnows. One upset loss and things will become interesting.
Mariyam Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 To the OP, the format of the WC was set much in advance. At that time surely the organizers couldn't have predicted that India would be beset with so many injury issues. I don't think it necessarily gives an advantage to India. The problem is that, if we were by some stroke of poor luck to lose to Bangladesh in the opener, our boys would be all nerves. And in such cases, the extra days between games would only add to their anxiety. The only good thing with such a ridiculously long tournament is that no player is going to suffer a burn out.
vvvslaxman Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Not only India but for all teams who have injury problems but it may back fire as well. All teams are going in WC assuming they will qualify to quarter finals by only beating the minnows. One upset loss and things will become interesting. We don't count mentally injured teams like Australia and Morally injured team like Pakistan :winky: Just physically injured.
Ram Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 The format is both good and bad for us. Its good that it almost guarantees a spot for us in the knock-outs, unlike the last WC, with its microscopic league phase. But its bad because we have to play 3 knock-outs before we can lay hands on gold. The chances of you playing and winning 3 consecutive games against semi-decent to extremely good teams and winning all them, in these flat subcontinental conditions are not that good. This is not to say that we cannot win the WC, but the probability of that happening is somewhere between moderately low and medium. However, had we been bold and prepared slow tracks where run scoring is difficult, then it completely changes the equation. Then, we have a 12th man in our team – the playing conditions. But the way things stand today, it is anybody’s game, on that given day. But you can tell that the organizers (ICC), are quite literally, desperate to see India go all the way through. The format was changed from the last edition literally to make sure India doesn’t get eliminated. And if that wasn’t bad enough, then they come up with this bizaree rule of pre-tournament seeding impacting who gets the host venues and who doesn’t. That rule was put in place to ensure that India plays all its possible knock-outs at home. All things considered, we should make it, at least until the semi-finals. Beyond that, its time to break out your favorite prayers and invoke your favorite Gods.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Actually this format is good for inconsistent teams such as Pakistan or New Zealand where 3 wins at the end of the tournament can get you the title. These days the Indian team is extremely consistent and for them the Super 6 or Super 8 format is much better as this Indian team generally wins much more than what it loses.
Sir john Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 the super 8 format was better than this format.
The Outsider Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Think it will benefit teams who are not so familiar with subcontinent conditions the most.
The Outsider Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 ^ They'll get a lot of matches in the first round to find out their best possible combination for the conditions, and also will help them get used to the conditions without the risk of being knocked out of the tournament.
kabira Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 nope not entirely true. For example, Aussies play in India and Lanka...and they may play Q/F in Mirpur. England playing in India and Bangladesh...and may end up playing Q/F in SL. Pitches will be different in all 3 countries. The day night games in SL can be lottery.
The Outsider Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 ^ Even so, the conditions will have more in common than say India and Australia or Sri Lanka and South Africa.
Ram Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 The format+flat pitches* will favor teams with strong batting line-ups, as opposed to those with stronger bowling line-ups. Pakistan, for example, has a much more formidable bowling attack with Gul, Akhtar, Afrid and Ajmal. But, their batting is still in turmoil. Butt is expelled, Younis has finally stopped playing hide-and-seek games. One moment, Yousuf's in the side, next moment, he's out. Kamran's always alternating between the perennial villain to the perennial opening bat hope. Umar Akmal hasnt really lived up to his potential. They could have a tough time beating some of the more established, if, and thats a big IF, the conditions are by and large, flat. (we still have to check out their specific venues and fixtures to be certain). Given that, teams like India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, England and Australia have a fighting chance. Windies batting is hit or miss, the Kiwis are horribly outclassed and B'desh has some significant missing links that could hurt them bad. If anything, the current format will hugely favor the team that peaks as the tournament progresses, especially given its long duration. Remember, you dont have to blitz your opposition to get through to the quarter-finals. You only have to do enough to win, that is all. India, for example, came into the 2003 WC after horrible showing in the NZ series prior and they got hammered by Australia in the league match. But they got stronger and stronger with every match they played and towards the end, looked like the only team that potentially challenge Australia. * - Its not as simple as classifying all pitched as flat. You really have to look at the different pitches, especially those in B'desh, to make definitive conclusions.
Zelig Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Most of the top foreign players have got accustomed to the sub-continental conditions by playing in the IPL :((
kabira Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 The format+flat pitches* will favor teams with strong batting line-ups' date= as opposed to those with stronger bowling line-ups. Pakistan, for example, has a much more formidable bowling attack with Gul, Akhtar, Afrid and Ajmal. But, their batting is still in turmoil. Butt is expelled, Younis has finally stopped playing hide-and-seek games. One moment, Yousuf's in the side, next moment, he's out. Kamran's always alternating between the perennial villain to the perennial opening bat hope. Umar Akmal hasnt really lived up to his potential. They could have a tough time beating some of the more established, if, and thats a big IF, the conditions are by and large, flat. (we still have to check out their specific venues and fixtures to be certain). Given that, teams like India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, England and Australia have a fighting chance. Windies batting is hit or miss, the Kiwis are horribly outclassed and B'desh has some significant missing links that could hurt them bad. If anything, the current format will hugely favor the team that peaks as the tournament progresses, especially given its long duration. Remember, you dont have to blitz your opposition to get through to the quarter-finals. You only have to do enough to win, that is all. India, for example, came into the 2003 WC after horrible showing in the NZ series prior and they got hammered by Australia in the league match. But they got stronger and stronger with every match they played and towards the end, looked like the only team that potentially challenge Australia. * - Its not as simple as classifying all pitched as flat. You really have to look at the different pitches, especially those in B'desh, to make definitive conclusions. Do not completely agree with you. There will be variety of pitches...Bangladesh will be ruled by Spinners, SL D/N games may support seamers..... Delhi pitch may not be that flat...
Watson87 Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 the super 8 format was better than this format. yo Sir John, name some Kenyan and Zim players that I can add in my superselector, I had a tough time:--D
Ram Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Do not completely agree with you. There will be variety of pitches...Bangladesh will be ruled by Spinners' date=' SL D/N games may support seamers..... Delhi pitch may not be that flat...[/quote'] That's I added the caveat that it really depends on the venue for that particular match. But by and large, in this world cup, if your batting is below par/ substandard, like it is for teams like windies, Pak and the kiwis, there's quite literally, no place to hide. You can use above average bowling to paper over some of the cracks in your batting in places like south Africa, england, but in the subcontinent, your batting HAS to formidable. That is not a sufficient condition for success, but definitely a necessary condition.
kabira Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 Actually Pakis play in Lanka, so they have bit of advantage...their seamers may relish Lankan pitches
gaurav92 Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 Actually Pakis play in Lanka' date=' so they have bit of advantage...their seamers may relish Lankan pitches[/quote'] Only if Afretard winz the toss and bats first, that is, it will only assist bowlers under lights.In day time, especially in the sunny hot afternoon, it will be a tough job for the quicks
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