Indiafan-Hyd Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 The only point of interest in this case is actually Amir. Realistically speaking' date=' he can still have a fruitful career after he serves the ban, but i am pretty sure they will mount a lengthy appeals process.[/quote'] No need to worry...Paki has unending supply of TALUNTED kirkuters....dont you know that they have Irfan Pathans in every gali, mohalla of Pakistan.. POLL: How many days till the current Paki team indulges in some more match fixing... My guess...they will start it again from an important match in the world cup. Jaiho to the Land of Pure...B->
yoda Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+did+Marlon+Samuels+fix+matches I didn't ask you how to search in google. I asked you how did he fix the match. Ofc I checked the relevant sites before I asked you the question. By contacting a bookie and giving him "vital" information, how did he fix the match? Now you answer me, what action by Samuels during the match (like your beloved bowlers bowling those no-balls) resulted in the match being fixed? I hope you understand the difference between the two offense and why one is 2 years and the other 5. In one the guy gave information about the game to a bookie. Who benefited? The player and the bookie. Who lost? No one, except ofc the ICC doesn't want players acting as pimps for these bookies as it could lead to bookies in turn asking the player to for example, bowl a no-ball or throw a match away. With your beloved countrymen, who benefited? Same, the player and the bookie. Who lost? All spectators who came to see a fairly played game and got cheated by your baize.
Sir_Afridi Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 Spot fixing vs match fixing is like physical assault vs murder. ICC gave 2 years for murder and 5 years for assault:WTF:
Sachinism Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 Spot fixing vs match fixing is like physical assault vs murder. ICC gave 2 years for murder and 5 years for assault:WTF: Stop it man. You sound crazy. Why are you trying to support the guys that just sold out your nation?
jf1gp_1 Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 Spot fixing vs match fixing is like physical assault vs murder. ICC gave 2 years for murder and 5 years ffor assault:WTF: i cant believe how blind these guys are, whole world is at fault except the jokers who cheated and were caught on tape; regarding Samuel do read yodas post which is right above your .
CSK Fan Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 Spot fixing vs match fixing is like physical assault vs murder. ICC gave 2 years for murder and 5 years for assault:WTF: The minimum quantum of punishment is 5 years buddy, so ICC was linient. Who got 2 years? This has been repeated again and again but you ignore. Where did Samuels fix the match? Thats a blatant lie! His evidence was 100 times less than these three?
Laaloo Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Some people are forgetting that these are only the bans handed by the ICC. They could still face jail time for other crimes.
Gotham Cronie Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Spot fixing vs match fixing is like physical assault vs murder. ICC gave 2 years for murder and 5 years for assault:WTF: Even if Amir was let go with no punishments, would you have really felt comfortable watching him play for Pakistan? For someone as young as him, to be questioned on every tour by the opposition's media, to be jeered by the crowds when he was fielding on the boundary, and the sledging that he would deal with, it wouldn't have been pretty. Be happy he got just the minimum and that now that he is appealing, that the minimum might be reduced.
satyam1729 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Its Official When you type Pakistan Cricket into a google search, google will add 'Scandal' with its auto complete, only cricketing country to acheive this
straight.drive Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 But think about Aamir....He followed a s**t head and ruined his career. He was shaping into a good all-rounder and all of a sudden he throws it all away. :(( :(( :((. A two year ban would have been apt.
vaibhav_delhi Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 just saw aamir's interview. Not even an iota of remorse!! '2 no-balls ke 5 saal. we will appeal against the sentence. The people are supporting me.' people shouting pakistan zindabad slogans. these guys are worth zero sympathy. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL_w-7F__QA]YouTube - Pakistani Player Mohammad Amir ban For Five Years spot Fixing Exclusive Interview[/ame]
vaibhav_delhi Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 what the phuck man, he is being hailed as a hero.
straight.drive Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 ^^^ Well, pakistanis that think this to be an indian/jewish/english conspiracy are beyond the stage of repair..
Pak_Forever Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Well they got what the deserved. Butt and Asif should have got a life sentence. It won't take too long to Pakistan to find another bowler like Amir, if we do so then hopefully he will stay away from corruption.
Pak_Forever Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 ^^^ Well' date=' pakistanis that think this to be an indian/jewish/english conspiracy are beyond the stage of repair..[/quote'] Don't drag this garbage again. There were like 4 ppl doing narae-bazi, probably their chamches. Most or almost all the Pakistanis I have talked to are fine and glad about the decision. You guys must have been on PP today for your daily meal, and you must have seen the reaction that most are fine, so don't lose your sweat to make us look supporting guilty. They got what the deserved, it's time to move on.
Bumper Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I think ICC has done its home work. Asif's 28 (wink, wink, ahem, ok 30!). They have handed him a 5 year ban. He will be officially 33 before he is eligible to play again. But his body will be more like 35. He will have other priorties in his life by the time he comes off his ban. For instance, his private parts would have disappeared (after effects of all the drug that soaked in his body for years) & he'd be worried about his day to day chores. He got no time for cricket. Effectively ICC has handed him a life ban in the pretext of a 5 year ban. Salman Butt, next. He is 26. Forget about his age. This is a guy who averages 30 in test cricket. Does anyone really care whether he makes a come back or not ? Infact I think the strike bowlers of the 7 other cricket nations will go on hunger strike for not having a shot at Butt for another five years. This is a verdict no one cares about. Yet again, a master stroke from ICC. A ban that looks very lenient, yet no one cares about. That leaves us with Amir. The only ban that will hurt Pakistan. And I think Amir got away too easy. He has not lost a whole lot for the money he may have earned spot fixing. But on the upside though, Pakistan now has a really good excuse for exiting from the early rounds of 2011 world cup.
spectre Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Atleast we have a sane pakistan fan here. Seriously, these dickheads crying foul are no better than these traitors who sold the nation for some money. Well they got what the deserved. Butt and Asif should have got a life sentence. It won't take too long to Pakistan to find another bowler like Amir' date=' if we do so then hopefully he will stay away from corruption.[/quote']
punjabi_khota Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Every once in a while, I hear/read a news which makes me glow, makes my entire ****ing DAY, and makes me realize the importance of having born on the right side of the punjab border. Today is such a day :hahaha: :rotfl: I just have one thing to say to the land of pure: SUCK IT :finger:
Ram Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 The reactions of the Pakistani players to the verdict has all the tell-tale signs of a someone who implicitly accepts guilt, but is still hoping to lesser sentence. In practical terms, the way they're trying to portray this is as though someone who picked a pocket of a commuter in train, was handed a 2 year jail term. Think of it, niether Butt or Amir (I think Asif has simply given up hope) have come out said 'I am innocent. The evidence produced in court was not water-proof. We are going appeal in the CAS and are confident of over-turning the verdict..'. By pointing to the reaction of the Tribunal, who apparently said that their sentences largely decided by the ICC code (which mandates a MINIMUM sentence of 5 years, for these offences), they're saying 'Well, we accept we're guilty. But even the tribunal thinks the sentences are too harsh. We hope to get the terms of the bans reduced..'. If there was a such a thing called acceptance of guilt, this was probably it. Besides, Mohammed Amir's post ban reaction an interview he gave to a Pakistani channel is pure gold. When the interviewer asked if he had learned anything from the episode, you can tell that the youngster BADLY wants to blurt out 'Well, I learned that i should not cheat in life..', but held himself back at the last moment. Besides, his quote - 'Two no-balls should not be five years..' - is another implicit acceptance that he did bowl those no-balls deliberately. And coming back to the verdicts themselves, there's no doubt that they're absolutely fair and appropriate. If anything, there are people who are saying it should have been even harsher. On this point itself, there are a couple of points to note; 1) This was NOT about the issue of three Pakistani players colluding with bookmakers to fix matches. This is about the issue of the CREDIBILITY of the game itself. Can the fans, the next time they go to a stadium or turn on the tv, to watch a game, be convinced that they game they're watching is clean? This question is central to the survival of the game itself, in the international stage. Which is why, it was important that the ICC sent a strong message to both the parties involved here - the fans and the players - that they see the issue of the integrity of the game as a non-negotiable one and will do go any lengths to preserve it. This is not only a certificate of assurance to the fans, but also a stern warning note to all players, that if any of them choose to indulge in these activities, then their fate will be similar as well. 2) Coming to the sentences themselves, Amir is quoted saying that he feels 5 years for two no-balls is too harsh. Lets keep in mind that, punishments for match-fixing are only effective if they have a suitably debilitating effect on the players career. Can you imagine, just for the Eng-Pak tour alone, Butt received pay-offs AT LEAST a $1,50,000 . That is more than what an average Pakistani national team player makes in 30 months. If you're telling someone that you can cheat and make $2,00,000 but we will give you only a 12 month ban, then that is like inviting someone to cheat. Match-fixing bans are effective, ONLY if they have DAMAGING effects on the players' career. There's no use in banning someone for a year or two and for them to come back, feeling fresh and vitalized. And btw, amidst all this, good job ICC. It is obvious that they took all of this VERY seriously. The entire process of charging, trying and the handover of the punishments were done in a swift, professional manner. Kudos to not just the legal team of ICC, but also the executive heads.
Fontaine Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 More than Amir/Asif/Butt getting what they deserved, it's far more important that any cricketer from any country think twice before carrying out the same kind of idiocy as these three fools. These three need to move on and learn from this ban instead of crying/whining about it.
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