Stop this hate against Bhaji

[punjabi_khota]

:facepalm:

[Sachin=GOD]

I am glad you are having a nice day. I have a pulled hamstring so my day is not the best.

Sorry to hear that. May you get well soon. p.s. it seems it has affected your mental faculties as well :icflove:

[Sachin=GOD]

From Harbhajan Singh to The Britishers to the Mughal Empire :phehehe: Now I'll give the next topic - Chacha Chowdhary Comics. I'm sure Vijay.Sharma, Midfielder & Mishragreat will have plenty to say on that as well B->

[Cricket Tragic]

:WTF: :facepalm:

[Rajiv]

Pheck Off Bhajji haters...You hate indian cricket. You hate north Indians.... You hate your contrymen, You hate your neighbour... You infact hate everyone apart from yourself.... You dont understand cricket. YYou can never understand cricket. All you can do is only argue. All of you are Pakistani.... All bhajji haters are regionalist or some sort of racist. I havent yet coined a term for that... Bhajji Hater is defined Anyone who wants Bhajji out of the team

Who doesn't love Pav Bhajji

[vvvslaxman]

This thread :facepalm: It is like watching coen brothers movies. Not sure which direction it goes.

[Rajiv]

^^ Its pretty common on ICF - Dekhta Kidhar Marta Kidhar ( also a Hindi Term for Typewriter )

[jonas10]

Lets assume British didnt came to India... Take the history before british. Assume that Marathas were only ones fighting to save Hindu Indians against Mughal and Islalmic conversion. Sorry, But I dont think Indians Hindus ever had a chance against Islam..... We didnt had technical know how. We didnt had unity. All we had were few brave who occasionally stood up and were getting killed one by one Since Islam came to India....Dont yo think By now we all would have be Followers of Islam. Boss thats what perspective is... You see the way you look at it... Mods: You can reformat the post.... Its not against anyone belief. Its what i think

Thats a whole lot of assumptions. Fact of the matter is you are correct India would have been an Islamic country if not for Guru Tegh Bahadur who gave his life for Hindus and later his son Guru Gobind Singh who fought the Mughals. But I agree India came very close to being an Islamic country.

[jonas10]

Spin bowling revival theory is still not clear :giggle:

December 21, 2006 Posted by Gideon Haigh on 12/21/2006 in Warne/McGrath Positive spin Shane Warne possessed a fast bowler's aggression in a slow bowler's skin © Getty Images I seem to have been talking about Shane Warne all day, to people who know lots about cricket, and many who don’t, because he was the cricketer of whom everyone had heard, and on whom everyone held an opinion. My mum had a view on Warne. The girl at the post office and the guy at the servo, who know I’m into cricket, wanted to talk about him. I didn’t get to the presser because I had to field talkback calls about him on the ABC: it is fair to say that there was a wide range of very emphatic views. It was said of Augustus that he found Rome brick and left it marble: the same is true of Warne and spin bowling. But just because Warne has done it with such apparent ease, noone should underestimate the degree of difficulty involved. Have you tried to bowl a leg-break? I’ve been playing club cricket since I was nine, and I would give anything to be able to bowl a proper one, but they either hurtle into the ground or fly off into outer space like a malfunctioning satellite. Yet Warne can drop them as precisely as a dragon fly alighting on a lily pad. Warne was mandated by nature to bowl slow. He has a surprisingly gentle handshake, but you can feel the strength in those big fingers. He has broad shoulders and a powerful back leg drive, so that he almost body surfs into his delivery: the contrast is MacGill who does most of his work with his arm. And that action – so simple, so grooved, so efficient. It is nothing other than a miracle of coordination. Above all, perhaps, is the mentality: that fast bowler's aggression in a slow bowler's skin. All the Warne books in my library seem to feature a cover shot of him appealing. If you knew no better, you'd think they were the work of a bowler who tried to bust open people's heads for a living. He only threatened eardrums. What a combination. If you doubt this, check the landscape. It’s often stated that Warne made every kid in Australia want to bowl leggers. Warne says in ‘My Illustrated Career’: ‘My biggest contribution has been to make slow bowling exciting and even fashionable.’ But MacGill is still the second-best leg spinner in Australia, and Cameron White and Cullen Bailey do not a renaissance make. It might be exciting. It might be fashionable. But it’s no easier. More over at Guardian Unlimited, if you're interested. My opinion of course...shared by many. Warne great bowler ever...spin, fast illegal anything best ever period.

[Vijay.Sharma]

From Harbhajan Singh to The Britishers to the Mughal Empire :phehehe: Now I'll give the next topic - Chacha Chowdhary Comics. I'm sure Vijay.Sharma, Midfielder & Mishragreat will have plenty to say on that as well B->

How about Chandamama comics? I liked them more than Chacha Chowdhary...his brain wasn't all that faster than a computer like they claimed.

[jonas10]

LOL this thread is officially all over the map! :hysterical:

[Vijay.Sharma]

December 21, 2006 Posted by Gideon Haigh on 12/21/2006 in Warne/McGrath Positive spin More over at Guardian Unlimited, if you're interested. My opinion of course...shared by many. Warne great bowler ever...spin, fast illegal anything best ever period.

You still haven't addressed the main point - spin bowling revival. Let me help you here - I think to you the world is made up of just one perspective when it comes to cricket...that of the Anglo-Aussies. In case you were born in the 90s then I can understand you may have been too young to know of what happened before or during the 90s. But if you are an avid cricket fan who has a larger perspective in life than an Anglo-Aussie centric one, then you most definitely wouldn't have claimed that Warne revived leg spin. Now all these balderdash articles are irrelevant to the question being asked of you. The question, again, read it carefully and with a calm mind - why the fu

[Midfielder]

Sorry to hear that. May you get well soon. p.s. it seems it has affected your mental faculties as well :icflove:

On a good day they are not the best either.

[jonas10]

You still haven't addressed the main point - spin bowling revival. Let me help you here - I think to you the world is made up of just one perspective when it comes to cricket...that of the Anglo-Aussies. In case you were born in the 90s then I can understand you may have been too young to know of what happened before or during the 90s. But if you are an avid cricket fan who has a larger perspective in life than an Anglo-Aussie centric one, then you most definitely wouldn't have claimed that Warne revived leg spin. Now all these balderdash articles are irrelevant to the question being asked of you. The question, again, read it carefully and with a calm mind - why the fu Nope im an 80s child :--D As I said this is my opinion and the opinion of many. In the 70s and 80s all the talk was of pace attacks and intimidatory bowling. Bouncers at your head. Look at Sachins interview on his first test match facing Wasim expecting a yorker and getting a barrage of bouncers. Shane Warne came in and changed all of that finally there was a spinner that had the fire of a fast bowler but could beat you with the slowest of deliveries. No wonder he is voted as one of Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century. Now im not saying there were no leg spinners when Warne came in but honestly can you name some of his calibre during the time he was playing? LOL and spare me the Abdul Qadar etc type players...they dont deserve to shine Warne's test ball. 700 wickets haters 700 wickets.

[Roshanrocks]

what has happened to this thread :sniffle:

[jonas10]

LOL RoRo I guess we are seeing if this thread can get to 500 posts before Bhajji can get to 500 wickets :winky:

[mishra]

Nope im an 80s child :--D As I said this is my opinion and the opinion of many. In the 70s and 80s all the talk was of pace attacks and intimidatory bowling. Bouncers at your head. Look at Sachins interview on his first test match facing Wasim expecting a yorker and getting a barrage of bouncers. Shane Warne came in and changed all of that finally there was a spinner that had the fire of a fast bowler but could beat you with the slowest of deliveries. No wonder he is voted as one of Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century. Now im not saying there were no leg spinners when Warne came in but honestly can you name some of his calibre during the time he was playing? LOL and spare me the Abdul Qadar etc type players...they dont deserve to shine Warne's test ball. 700 wickets haters 700 wickets.

Jonas... Question is still standing exactly where it was. How did Shane Warne, reviwed spin bowling? You have to really ask.... The very first step needed to revive something is to it has to dieng state. When reading between the lines you have to understand English authors and journalist deliberately don't make distinction between them and rest of world when they talk about their great.... The same author/journalist/historian will be very clear and specific in dividing the line when it is talking about some other icon from the rest of world. I will give you a example. Figure out the difference..... "Terrorist attacked London tube...." "Millitants held Mumbai hostage ...."

[mishra]

Udham Singh... Amar Rahe!!!!

Lets assume British didnt came to India... Take the history before british. Assume that Marathas were only ones fighting to save Hindu Indians against Mughal and Islalmic conversion. Sorry, But I dont think Indians Hindus ever had a chance against Islam..... We didnt had technical know how. We didnt had unity. All we had were few brave who occasionally stood up and were getting killed one by one Since Islam came to India....Dont yo think By now we all would have be Followers of Islam. Boss thats what perspective is... You see the way you look at it... Mods: You can reformat the post.... Its not against anyone belief. Its what i think

Everyone missed this two lines. Udham Singh is really intriguing question mark when you judge Indian Historain. Specially the history they have tried to present to all (upto High School level). I thoght you will ask what is really different between the act of Udham Singh and Bhagat Singh... Why one is regarded as greatest hero? Why other one if not completely but allmost completely missed in history books. My idea to put Udham Singh's name was to actually challenge your mental attitude and give your brain something to think... British Raj, Muslim and saving Indian and culture was just another example supporting how perspectives can differ. I was just trying to add to Sharma Ji's argument by citation..... Regarding arguments on my citation... You have to believe me on my words here...Up to At ceratin point in my life, I too used to have a theory along the lines that British Came and enslaved us. Took all our gold away. We were better off without them...... Finally None of those views were given to argue upon. They were just prooving that right and wrong is linked to perspective

[Mariyam]

Difference between Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh is simple. While Bhagat Singh screamed 'inquilab zindabad' and sang " Mera Rang de basanti chola" in an unmelodious voice which terrorized the British and hastened their retreat from India, Udham Singh anchored the Udham Singh show on Channel V and was the main reason for people shifting from Channel V to MTV. :icflove:

[Vijay.Sharma]

Nope im an 80s child :--D As I said this is my opinion and the opinion of many. In the 70s and 80s all the talk was of pace attacks and intimidatory bowling. Bouncers at your head. Look at Sachins interview on his first test match facing Wasim expecting a yorker and getting a barrage of bouncers. Shane Warne came in and changed all of that finally there was a spinner that had the fire of a fast bowler but could beat you with the slowest of deliveries. No wonder he is voted as one of Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century. Now im not saying there were no leg spinners when Warne came in but honestly can you name some of his calibre during the time he was playing? LOL and spare me the Abdul Qadar etc type players...they dont deserve to shine Warne's test ball. 700 wickets haters 700 wickets.

Nothing wrong in having your opinion...no opinion is intrinsically right or wrong...as I have already explained it's validity changes in t,s,p,c. However, if you would like to explore the possibility that your perspective may be limited then many IC'Fers can help you. Lemme give you some facts.... "reviving of a dying art" - in our context would mean there weren't many practitioners of leg spin. Not many found it interesting enough to try and become a leggie. But if you have a different understanding of that phrase then please do let me know. Perhaps, that could be the source of our disagreement. In the white world, after Richie Benaud there weren't any leg spinners to talk great about. So in the diminished context of the white world leg spin was a dying art. So the white boyz, found revival of this art in their white boy...not brown, not yellow, not black. So, if your perspective is restricted to white boy perspective, then you are right. (see how the same opinion becomes valid as you change t,s,p,c?) However, if your perspective is that of a cricket fan who is not paralyzed by color of the bowler then you would realize leg spin bowling never really died to need a revival. Some of the ICF'ers here can add or modify the examples I state below. Also understand the meaning of "reviving of the art" as stated by me above and view it from that perspective. Now, per me, if an art form needs revival then it must have fizzled out or there was no talent coming up or ppl were not trying to bowl leg spin. I'll give you some international names and some domestic names who kept the art alive. Remember, our contention is the death/revival of the art not how many wickets or how many tests a leg spin bowler played. But yes we can judge these players at least on their quality/potential if you'd like to. I am starting with 1960s because that is when Richie Benaud, the last of the good white leggies operated. Of course there were other white leggies too like Ian Chappell but I guess you will understand the context is that of specialist leggies 1960's - India had this gentleman by name Subhash Gupte who was possibly our first bowler-only ATG. 1960's - 1970's - Later in that decade there was a gentleman by name Bhagwat Chandrashekar who comes from the southern part of my city. The guy could bowl, they said 1970's - There was this Paki gentleman by name Intikhab Alam. They say he could turn his arm around 1980's - Abdul Qadir from Pakistan. The guy's wizardry sunk England a few times, they say. 1980's - Laxman Sivaramakrishnan. They say the Buddha asked for his help to prepare against a plump white blond who came with a reputation in 1998 to India. LS bowled to the Buddha from around the wicket on the bowlers footmarks. My childhood hero, Kapil, even today maintains LS is the greatest talent he has seen who hasn't gone on to do greater things. But ueah they are anecdotes. However, what we do know is that LS demolished the white boyz from England 1980's - Then there was this guy from Rajasthan by name Narendra Hirwani who was decent enough to keep the art of leg spin alive. they say he foxed that great biffer Viv twice in the same Test. 1980's - Mushtaq Ahmed. Carbon copies don't get more original than the action of Mushy from Qadir. Mushy went on to trouble quite a few of your white boyz. I don't know what it would mean if not "inspiration" to copy a bowler's action ditto. O by the way, even the great Gavaskar copied Abdul Qadir's action when trying to bowl leg spin (at least in some movies). 1980's - M.V.Narasimha Rao from Hyderabad who was a domestic great 1990's - Then there was this bespectacled fellow by name Anil Kumble. They said he could get batsmen out. Maybe he did. 1990's - Anantha Padmanabhan. This Kumble fellow sez his drive to excel was because of the competition from Anantha Padmanabhan. Paddy, many in Kerala and other parts of India feel, was just born at the wrong time you know like the white boyz Warne-MacGill. Paddy spun the ball more, bowled a better googly, got better purchase than this Kumble fellow in the 90s. but this Kumble fellow grabbed his opportunity so well that it was a logical impossibility to drop him. The only way Paddy could make the Indian team was if India needed two leggies which the Indian selectors and team mgmt felt was not needed. Now, my dear, I hope you can come with a better explanation of what revival means to you. I have only given you few well known names. And not many with a perspective larger than that of just the white world, would think leg spin was a dying art. So if you want to understand things better then get out of this white world perspective and view the game as a whole. Choose different perspectives to understand their points but pronouncements like Warne revived a dying art come from an obviously narrow perspective. Upto you to understand this long post or not.