I am apoplectic with rage

[Rajiv]

There used to a time where we watched cricket for the "game", nowadays we spent more time in giving back, putting clips of old, stats and add frustrations, headache what not and this includes all nations Some times I feel forums are the wrong place to be

[IKnowU]

I hate when us fans are more then happy to swallow the teams success but spew it out like little brats when success isnt there. :headshake:

[debachat]

There used to a time where we watched cricket for the "game", nowadays we spent more time in giving back, putting clips of old, stats and add frustrations, headache what not and this includes all nations Some times I feel forums are the wrong place to be

Yes Rajiv. And you probably also think its better to take it lying down. Let Vaughan say Laxman had Vaseline, let Bell get away with what he did. Trying imagining for a second what could have happened if the shoe was in the other foot. Would England ever have changed their decision? Now the rants from the fellow posters may not feel as bad!

[pinkfreud]

I hate when us fans are more then happy to swallow the teams success but spew it out like little brats when success isnt there. :headshake:

If fans wish to, as you put it, 'swallow the team's success', they can bloody well express their frustration and sadness when they see so much potential go to waste as well. In any case, you've missed the point of this thread- it's not about our performance as much as it is about the goings on of yesterday. Some get affected by it more than others, that's human nature, and you pretty much ought to respect a person's right to think a certain way and express it. Kudos to you and Hallelujah, but if it's bothering you see fans getting enraged due to whatever happened yesterday, don't label them or try to double as some sort of armchair philosopher. Sit pretty and live with it.

[TheWall]

Long time since the Indian players house has been stoned..... sorry if iam sounding pathetic... but its true...

[goose]

There used to a time where we watched cricket for the "game", nowadays we spent more time in giving back, putting clips of old, stats and add frustrations, headache what not and this includes all nations Some times I feel forums are the wrong place to be

Rajiv when there is a collective failure on behalf of everyone from the two sides to the media and ICC to truthfully comment on the game these blogs and forums are all we have left.

[kabira]

Im annoyed that this has overshadowed what an epic beatdown of the Indian team this is, instead of saying you are getting battered you are blaming this incident and Bells extra 20 runs for the reason you are getting played off the park. England are just better.

Yes no doubt they have been better team with better lower order that has been difference. But I wonder why would Strauss and Flower actually go to indian dressing room if they felt they are going to batter us anyways...so why go there if they think they have better team. I mean you still had Trott, Prior, and lower order to come. :--D:--D

[IKnowU]

If fans wish to, as you put it, 'swallow the team's success', they can bloody well express their frustration and sadness when they see so much potential go to waste as well. In any case, you've missed the point of this thread- it's not about our performance as much as it is about the goings on of yesterday. Some get affected by it more than others, that's human nature, and you pretty much ought to respect a person's right to think a certain way and express it. Kudos to you and Hallelujah, but if it's bothering you see fans getting enraged due to whatever happened yesterday, don't label them or try to double as some sort of armchair philosopher. Sit pretty and live with it.

Its somewhat ok think that for casual or armchair fans that watch cricket every now and then. But for seasoned followers who are on the verge of jumping of the cliff when India is losing is plain stupid. :orderorder:

[rajmarie]

Test cricket in England and controversies..Pak X 2' date=' Australia ( well same dogs ) and now India. [b']I feel the way Indians are behaving is that they have given up the series, feel they are not at full strength - get it over with and try to snatch it back when Eng comes to India Meanwhile, BCCI and players are making their money, outsiders like shastri, naz and vaughan can fight it out. The tea and watercrest sandwich crowd can read the drama blaming Indians as usual, since their beloved NOTW is gone. Meanwhile, we are slitting our throats over bhajjis, pretenders are on the site and life goes on

Same here. The way Indian team is playing is like that mentality only. They dont care......they are not at full strength..Sehwag is out because he wanted to play in IPL....Gambhir not match fit when he came to Eng...Zak unfit & result..broke down...Sachin will play to get his 100th 100....& above all.....Uselessjan....despite being useless for the last few years...keep getting selected in the team. Looks like they are waiting for this series to be already over...so that they can rest.. start preparing for Champions league

[Switchblade]

Same here. The way Indian team is playing is like that mentality only. They dont care......they are not at full strength..Sehwag is out because he wanted to play in IPL....Gambhir not match fit when he came to Eng...Zak unfit & result..broke down...Sachin will play to get his 100th 100....& above all.....Uselessjan....despite being useless for the last few years...keep getting selected in the team. Looks like they are waiting for this series to be already over...so that they can rest.. start preparing for Champions league

Will Be A Big Concern For M.I Team :giggle: .

[rajmarie]

Will Be A Big Concern For M.I Team :giggle: .

Well...probably not....his darts are better suited for MI T20 games..where he can throw that only for 4 overs.

[Switchblade]

Well...probably not....his darts are better suited for MI T20 games..where he can throw that only for 4 overs.

Bhai Unhey Wicket Bhi Chahie What Will Be The Point If Have I Made It Large Goes Wicket Less Every Game . Oh Rcb Is Also There So We Will See A Fully Fit Zak Rearing To Go Then :hmmm: .

[rajmarie]

Bhai Unhey Wicket Bhi Chahie What Will Be The Point If Have I Made It Large Goes Wicket Less Every Game . Oh Rcb Is Also There So We Will See A Fully Fit Zak Rearing To Go Then :hmmm: .

Exactly...Zak will be 100% fit...Sachin will find all the strokes...Bhajji will be raring to go...Dhoni will suddenly get his grove back...Raina will score big runs...Gambhir will even play with broken shoulder...Shame....but BCCI here has to look & decide...they need successfull Indian team....or successfull IPL. Till now BCCI is all IPL. so probably that will not change

[Lord]

Pretty sure it was a group decision. Dont make Dhoni the scapegoat That clip goes hand in hand with your previous statement :finger:

but captain gets the bouquets n brickbats,right?wen he pushed himself above Yuvi in WC final,that must have been team decision too,but Dhoni got the credit for it

[apeeman]

Excellent rant...sums up every indian fan's mood....but if there was ever one thing WE ARE STILL THE WORLD CHAMPIONS AND NO EFFING THING IN THE WORLD CAN CHANGE THAT FOR FOUR YEARS.....:yay::yay::yay:

[nballa]

yeah i am pretty apologetic too.

[Bumper]

Goose, I agree 100% with you on the description of the incident. I dont agree with our team's decision to not enforce the "out". We have been shafted too many times by all & sundry to be so nice to our opponents. But that said, I dont reckon Indian fans would be so peeved had we won this test. Clearly our frustration is somewhere else. This incident has provided us a vent to let it all out! In contrast, I think what Whingakara did at the toss during the WC finals was faar worse. The glory of the world champs was riding on the toss. We won the cup and there was no noise about this incident... After this kinda mauling, some self-reflection is the need of the hour. England were just too good a team for us & they proved that by completely dominating us at Lords and dominating the key sessions at TB. Even the best sessions India has had in this test match, were neutered by spectacular comebacks from England. They are a better team than us. They beat us fair & square. To me that is a bigger humiliation than Ian Bell's incident. We've lost the bragging rights. I felt so bad the last two days, i could not even pull myself up to post today. As a fan, this is the time to take a break from cricket.

[goose]

Bumper, well actually the Bell incident effected me so terribly that all the cricket post that incident was overshadowed. I just couldn't get my mind off it and I can't help but think it got to the Indians too. Some people here point to Dravid and Dhoni's post match interview. The point is Bell et al set out during and after the incident to ensure it 'didn't feel right'. That's the whole travesty!

[SachDan]

How the spirit of Sachin Tendulkar gave Ian Bell a reprieve in run-out furore By Paul Newman Sachin Tendulkar has emerged as the key figure behind India’s dramatic change of heart that led to them recalling Ian Bell after controversially running him out. Sportsmail can reveal that far from being an act of sportsmanship from India captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni that led to Bell’s reprieve on Sunday, it was the intervention of the Little Master that upheld the Spirit of Cricket. Dhoni has been widely praised for defusing an ugly incident in the second Test after the England No 3 had wandered out of his crease, thinking that the third day had reached tea, only to be run out by Abhinav Mukund. Boos rang out around Trent Bridge as umpires Asad Rauf and Marais Erasmus confirmed that the ball was still live and that Bell was out — after first checking with the India skipper that he definitely wanted to appeal. Andy Flower, the England team director, and captain Andrew Strauss then went to the tourists’ dressing room asking Dhoni and coach Duncan Fletcher to reconsider during a tense 20-minute interval that could have had severe ramifications for Anglo-Indian relations. It was suggested that Dhoni changed his mind after talking with his team and India, who had received abuse from a section of the crowd, got a standing ovation from the Nottingham public after it became clear that Bell had been reinstated. But a source close to the England dressing room revealed that it was Tendulkar who emerged as the hero of the hour and enabled Bell to get away with what even he described as his own stupidity. ‘Dhoni was asked three times on the field whether he was appealing and each time he said yes,’ the source told Sportsmail. ‘Then when Flower and Strauss went to see Dhoni and Fletcher they said their captain insisted the decision would stand. Tendulkar was the voice in the dressing room that got Bell reinstated.’ It is no surprise that one of the greatest players to ever grace the game would be such an influential figure in such a big decision and would be aware of the implications of the run-out standing. The atmosphere between the teams would have been tense for the rest of the summer while the sometimes fraught relationship between the two countries’ boards would have been further stretched. Tendulkar is the most influential person in Indian cricket and it is widely believed that it is his objections to the decision-review system that has led to India refusing to allow Hawk-Eye to play a part in the decision-making process. He will also have remembered that England returned to India after the terrorist attacks on his native Mumbai in 2008 to complete a tour that saw the 38-year-old score an emotional century in an Indian victory in Chennai. Once Tendulkar had spoken Dhoni listened and a decision that — according to the letter of the law — was perfectly fair was swiftly overturned. It was also one that was quickly accepted by the rest of the India side who hold their illustrious team-mate in such high regard. The England team quickly emerged on their balcony to applaud the Indians as Bell ran out after tea. By then they knew that it was Tendulkar they were applauding. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2021311/How-spirit-Sachin-Tendulkar-gave-Ian-Bell-reprieve-run-out.html#ixzz1Tpyb5oLp :((

[pinkfreud]

Not at all surprised to read this. I always had an inkling Sachin had a major role to play in this decision, which I think was a downright horrible one, as much as I love and respect him. *cue all the brickbats now*