yoda Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I guess this is it.. decent read on the business of legacy. http://www.livemint.com/2011/11/10205839/The-madness-of-comeback-athlet.html Actually, in individual sport, it doesn't matter when you quit cause your performances aren't hurting the team. You are only playing for yourself and as long as the sport lets you compete at that level based on qualifications, it's your own call.
akshayxyz Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 You don't have to win the last game of your life to go out on a high. Borg left on a high as in he was still playing at a high level, except that he lost his last match. Sampras went on a high as in he wasn't at his peak, but was still capable of winning a slam and got the career slam record. For Tendulkar, the high would have ofc been the WC. For Dravid, IMO, the high/not so high would have been after the whole captaincy mess, when he decided to give it up, to have quit at the same time. Kumble left on a reasonable high, IMO, when he was still productive. Kumble left, when he felt he can't get up in the morning and hit the nets. SRT - still playing better than others. Even in his "choking form", he still figures in top10. Dravid - look at the last year. though he had a case of retiring/dropped before WI tour. besides, these two put most effort in the nets, preparation... for all their youth/energy/reflexes, people like Ashwin can't even outrun a turtle.
vvvslaxman Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Before they say "GO" you should leave. Ideally they should want you more when you leave. At this rate people won't even miss Dravid if he retires rightnow.
The Outsider Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Can't find that recent quote from Ian Thorpe - he said something like, "I am willing to give up all the legacy/medals for another chance at competing with the best." Who wouldn't want to compete with the best? Question is whether you are good enough to compete with the best anymore and on the evidence of the last two series neither of Dravid, Tendulkar, and Laxman are good enough. They might have the odd innings of brilliance away or still be able to perform in the more familiar home conditions because they still have the inherent ability, but the consistency just won't be there. It's time to move on and invest in younger batsmen over the next two years in home series. They might still fail, but we know for sure that these three will fail the next time we tour to Australia, South Africa, or England in 2-3 years time.
yoda Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Can you explain with facts how SRT is hurting the Team ? cue : time for silence or some random wiseass moronic statement with the usual smilie That was a general statement, not targeted at a specific player. Now who is the moron? :winky: PS: You can also leave BEFORE you start hurting the team.
yoda Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Before they say "GO" you should leave. Ideally they should want you more when you leave. At this rate people won't even miss Dravid if he retires rightnow. Exactly. For some reason the fan boyz of some of these players would rather see their idols die on the cricket field than see them go.
Pioneer Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 No way, this series will be a tiny blip on Sachin's map. Don't think anything can tarnish his legacy anymore and rightly so.
yoda Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Who is the one making posts to the effect that Tendulkar should have already retired ? Yup now you know who the moron is . :nice: Cause there are many reasons for a player to retire and I have made several posts in this thread and in the past for reasons for players to retire. Some of the scenario. 1. Going on a high - Tendulkar (WC), RD (Quit as capp) 2. Go BEFORE you start hurting the team - Tendulkar (NOW), RD (NOW) 3. Go NOW because you ARE hurting the team - Lax (NOW) Clear? B-> I have also stated before that I like giving chance to younger players. There are limited slots in the national team. I would much rather a player who has been around 15 years retire, even at his peak, so that others also get a chance to represent the country. It also gets boring to watch the same set of guys over and over again for 15 years. There is only so much drooling one can do at a Tendulkar straight drive or a methodically planned Dravid innings.
akshayxyz Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Cause there are many reasons for a player to retire and I have made several posts in this thread and in the past for reasons for players to retire. Some of the scenario. 1. Going on a high - Tendulkar (WC), RD (Quit as capp) 2. Go BEFORE you start hurting the team - Tendulkar (NOW), RD (NOW) 3. Go NOW because you ARE hurting the team - Lax (NOW) Clear? B-> I have also stated before that I like giving chance to younger players. There are limited slots in the national team. I would much rather a player who has been around 15 years retire, even at his peak, so that others also get a chance to represent the country. It also gets boring to watch the same set of guys over and over again for 15 years. There is only so much drooling one can do at a Tendulkar straight drive or a methodically planned Dravid innings. Let them retire, then we will see whether they retired on a high and whether/how-much they hurt the team.
pensionplan Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 If this nation continues to produce namoonas like sfs ' date='rett , danda etc by the millions the day will not be far when SRT wont have any legacy to start with let alone compromising that legacy. [/quote']Yes but the nation cannot even afford one like you. That is the difference.
pensionplan Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Yup now you know who the moron is . :nice:Yes we do. Bossbhai and his fudged stats.
Lurker Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I don't understand this business of going out on high...and I guess its used mostly in team sports, e.g. I can't think of any example from tennis, where someone retired right after winning a grand slam. Sahir has a great couplet, not in relation to this but kinda suits here as well. Taarruf rog ho jaaye to usko bhoolnaa behtar Taalluk bojh ban jaaye to usko todnaa achchha Voh afsaana jise anjaam tak laana na ho mumkin Use ek khoobsoorat mod dekar chhodna achchha chalo ek baar phir se ajnabi ban jaaye hum dono.....
vvvslaxman Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Exactly. For some reason the fan boyz of some of these players would rather see their idols die on the cricket field than see them go. There was an article on sportstar in 1993 i think "Kapil please leave before they say go". Phil simmons smashed Kapil for a six over long leg . He had enough time to turn around and hit it for a 6 like a straight drive. That was the shot that really made everyone realize Kapil is past sell by date. From that point onwards there was lot of debate about Kapil's presence in the team among fans.
Deleted_User_1 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Posted January 25, 2012 Oye Bheema, by hurting the legacy I meant his greatness overall. Obviously in relative terms he sucks the least in this pathetic team and there is no one to replace him so in that sense he can go on..... His legacy as the best modern day batsman that is the only thing I am talking about. And I won't even get in to the Bradman vs. SRT debate. That is done and dusted AFAIK. Maybe going out on a high is the not the word, but going out before your greatness start to take a dive and it has. I am a fan of SRT (I don't give a **** if you agree or not), but not a blind worshipper like you!
bulbul Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Can you explain with facts how SRT is hurting the Team ? cue : time for silence or some random wiseass moronic statement with the usual smilie Can you explain with Stats How Sachin Helping Team .. If Sachin is 35,36,37 we can agree its harsh for his retirement calls..The guy is 39 played in 2 most embarassing series of His life time against Bowlers who is nowehere in the class of bolwers he faced earlier... His presence in Team didnt helped any one to lift their performance ( we always see how youngsters come on press and claim they are inspired by Sachin , its great to play with him etc) Didnt put a single match winning performance in any of Tests so far (except this test :winky: ) all you can say is he is Indias higest scorer in this series..Still its 4th Best total in this Series (ok he can go and score a 300 in this match ) so whats wron in expecting he put some time frame to his retirement..no one is calling him to retire by this weekend atleast some plans rather than just saying i will play until i have interest in the game Whats the use of Interest when team is losing badly.. and not able to put any effort to lift the team out of this rut i even disappointed with Dravid..thought he will announce retirement plans eatly ...looks like he also need to be pusehd...Less said about LAxman is better
SachDan Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Who wouldn't want to compete with the best? Question is whether you are good enough to compete with the best anymore and on the evidence of the last two series neither of Dravid' date= Tendulkar, and Laxman are good enough. They might have the odd innings of brilliance away or still be able to perform in the more familiar home conditions because they still have the inherent ability, but the consistency just won't be there. It's time to move on and invest in younger batsmen over the next two years in home series. They might still fail, but we know for sure that these three will fail the next time we tour to Australia, South Africa, or England in 2-3 years time. The point is simple - to highlight the blatant double standards people hold with regards to Tendulkar. My stance is that I think both are good enough to play at the international level' date= but what I see is there are calls about Dravid losing his "touch", when all facts point to Tendulkar having become a walking wicket for the opposition in the last 5 away and difficult tests we've played, while Dravid has scored centuries in 3 out of those 5.http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=1764154&postcount=136 :hmmm:
Lord Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Oye Bheema, by hurting the legacy I meant his greatness overall. Obviously in relative terms he sucks the least in this pathetic team and there is no one to replace him so in that sense he can go on..... His legacy as the best modern day batsman that is the only thing I am talking about. And I won't even get in to the Bradman vs. SRT debate. That is done and dusted AFAIK. Maybe going out on a high is the not the word, but going out before your greatness start to take a dive and it has. I am a fan of SRT (I don't give a **** if you agree or not), but not a blind worshipper like you! it looked the same in 2006 but he had a renaissance,no reason why he cant do something similar.plus hes not batting ll that badly too
The Outsider Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=1764154&postcount=136 :hmmm: Errr...yeah. That was before the series as they deserved a last chance to score and win in Australia and to show that maybe England was an aberration and they still have it in them to perform in challenging conditions. The results are there for all to see. What next you are going to pick quotes from 4 years back when I vehemently argued that Tendulkar should not be dropped. Times change, circumstances change. We don't have any away tour for two years. It's the perfect time to get the newer players a chance in test cricket, so they might be ready by then. Because it's clear the team is going nowhere by relying on has beens like Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman. Unlike the fan boys, I prefer to keep an open mind and change thoughts with circumstances.
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