Jadeja is actually a good odi player.

[Lord]

but its not like spinners from other teams have done badly here.. every spinner is doing well ours are just doing little better. like we all saw in australia in places where there is no help he struggles and that is what outy said . are u claiming these are typical english conditions ?

hes improved from what he was in Aus after getting dropped. anyway if there is no help most spinners will struggle,I think you can criticise anyone for that.others struggled too in CB series.he was the poorest yes. As for conditions,its not totally English but not that helping either like it is SC,also cold and wet conditions are there too or were there in 3 of our matches

[Old guy]

hes improved from what he was in Aus after getting dropped. anyway if there is no help most spinners will struggle,I think you can criticise anyone for that.others struggled too in CB series.he was the poorest yes. As for conditions,its not totally English but not that helping either like it is SC,also cold and wet conditions are there too or were there in 3 of our matches

everyone is giving him credit for this.. honestly he has bowled better than expected but this all has happened in very short span and honestly things can change quickly for the worst too. all im saying is these 3-4 matches hardly prove he will be decent away from home specially bcos conditions have not exactly been alien by any means. i still think he is not good enough to be main spinner in tests. :winky: also ,in odis lets wait before declaring him our best spinners. already im seeing trend of bashing ashwin for no reason and hyping jadeja,ignoring simple flact that performance is greatly effected by form and ashwin has done well here too..

[Precambrian]

Better than drowning myself in a bottle of alcohol everyday and attempting to kill myself.

You're just jealous.

[Lord]

everyone is giving him credit for this.. honestly he has bowled better than expected but this all has happened in very short span and honestly things can change quickly for the worst too. all im saying is these 3-4 matches hardly prove he will be decent away from home specially bcos conditions have not exactly been alien by any means. i still think he is not good enough to be main spinner in tests. :winky: also ,in odis lets wait before declaring him our best spinners. already im seeing trend of bashing ashwin for no reason and hyping jadeja,ignoring simple flact that performance is greatly effected by form and ashwin has done well here too..

he did okay v Eng and Pakistan in home series too,then Test then IPL.Since his comeback hes doing well with the ball.I dont think its a fluke if he or anyone can do well in even these type of conditions.I'm okay with it.I dont expect our bowlers to do great on pattas. Ashwin is still our best spinner for Tests.in ODIs,both have same bowling record,but Jaddu's batting n fielding gives him edge imo,if we are playing one spinner.But dont think we ever will anyway. hyping Jadeja is just a joke because of Sir thing.MSD gave it even more fuel lol:giggle: Hes decent but if he keeps doing well he can be very useful for us with new ODI rules.I'd give him a rope even if say he has 3-4 bad games now

[The Outsider]

You're just jealous.

You bet I am. What's for menu tonight - its a weekend so big plans with a bottle of scotch followed by some sleeping pills?

[Old guy]

he did okay v Eng and Pakistan in home series too,then Test then IPL.Since his comeback hes doing well with the ball.I dont think its a fluke if he or anyone can do well in even these type of conditions.I'm okay with it.I dont expect our bowlers to do great on pattas. Ashwin is still our best spinner for Tests.in ODIs,both have same bowling record,but Jaddu's batting n fielding gives him edge imo,if we are playing one spinner.But dont think we ever will anyway. hyping Jadeja is just a joke because of Sir thing.MSD gave it even more fuel lol:giggle: Hes decent but if he keeps doing well he can be very useful for us with new ODI rules.I'd give him a rope even if say he has 3-4 bad games now

im not calling it a fluke im just calling it a good run.. also never pick bowler cos of his other skills cos in odis overs a limited and htye have to bowl 10 overs properly otherwise u will lose. india learnt this lesson and now play 5 bowlers i think its good strategy and ever since we adopted it bowling stats have been brilliant :winky:

[Lord]

im not calling it a fluke im just calling it a good run.. also never pick bowler cos of his other skills cos in odis overs a limited and htye have to bowl 10 overs properly otherwise u will lose. india learnt this lesson and now play 5 bowlers i think its good strategy and ever since we adopted it bowling stats have been brilliant :winky:

we have adopted this strategy due to new rules.7-4 was pretty successful for us before that. others skills like fielding batting count a lot imo.only if the difference in bowling abilities is big is when I'll pick a specialist bowler.otherwise one saving runs in field and making 20-25 quick runs at the end can be very handy.I made this point in Ishant n Irfan too,both crap bowlers,but Irfan can bat n field a bit better(though Ishant has pwned me for now :P) The advantage with that even if the bowler bowls badly,he can in the game with his fielding n batting.in a short game thats important.

[Old guy]

we have adopted this strategy due to new rules.7-4 was pretty successful for us before that. others skills like fielding batting count a lot imo.only if the difference in bowling abilities is big is when I'll pick a specialist bowler.otherwise one saving runs in field and making 20-25 quick runs at the end can be very handy.I made this point in Ishant n Irfan too,both crap bowlers,but Irfan can bat n field a bit better(though Ishant has pwned me for now :P) The advantage with that even if the bowler bowls badly,he can in the game with his fielding n batting.in a short game thats important.

yeah if they both are exactly similar bowlers then i agree.. but if its between good bowler and average bowler who can bat a bit i will pick good bowler anyday.. bcos in most matches these bits nad pieces cricketers (not talking abt jaddu ) end up scoring no runs and get targeted by batsmen while bowling . england had same approach with many bits and pieces players and it got them no where. now they play proper batsmen and proper bowlers and look they are genuine threat in odis .

[Precambrian]

You bet I am. What's for menu tonight - its a weekend so big plans with a bottle of scotch followed by some sleeping pills?

raining outside so resorting to "pwning lizard"...

[The Outsider]

raining outside so resorting to "pwning lizard"...

I thought rains were bonanza times for alcoholics.

[Old guy]

bas karo :orderorder:

[Lord]

yeah if they both are exactly similar bowlers then i agree.. but if its between good bowler and average bowler who can bat a bit i will pick good bowler anyday.. bcos in most matches these bits nad pieces cricketers (not talking abt jaddu ) end up scoring no runs and get targeted by batsmen while bowling . england had same approach with many bits and pieces players and it got them no where. now they play proper batsmen and proper bowlers and look they are genuine threat in odis .

yeah earlier they'd have picked Samit Patel over Swann:giggle: 6 batsman + 4 bowlers + 1 AR is ideal combo.Also fielding has to be given importance too.We've seen how it has played a big role for us. If a good bowler cant bat and cant field.and theres a okayish bowler who can bat n field well,I'll pick the latter

[Old guy]

yeah earlier they'd have picked Samit Patel over Swann:giggle: 6 batsman + 4 bowlers + 1 AR is ideal combo.Also fielding has to be given importance too.We've seen how it has played a big role for us. If a good bowler cant bat and cant field.and theres a okayish bowler who can bat n field well,I'll pick the latter

that depends on how well he can bat.. if he bats like jadeja than its pure waste of spot as 9/10 he will fail with bat and most of times will be milked away for runs and batting side will target him if rr is high. u need proper bowler..if one is proper bowler and has other skills then give him preference but in my opinion being a good bowler first is basic requirement rest of things come into discussion only when first requirement is fulfilled. jadeja is playing like a proper bowler so its all good for us. also remember these bits and pieces cricketers in the end are called no rounders rather than all rounders.. monty panesar and samit patel was perfect example :winky: just see how big difference monty made even though he is *****y fielder and pathetic tail ender :--D

[adi B]

Haha! You guys are going on as if Outy/Lizard was the only one thinking Jadeja is mediocre. 90% of ICF had the same opinion 6 months back' date=' but yeah Outy/Lizard is pwned.[/quote'] :--D

[Lord]

that depends on how well he can bat.. if he bats like jadeja than its pure waste of spot as 9/10 he will fail with bat and most of times will be milked away for runs and batting side will target him if rr is high. u need proper bowler..if one is proper bowler and has other skills then give him preference but in my opinion being a good bowler first is basic requirement rest of things come into discussion only when first requirement is fulfilled. jadeja is playing like a proper bowler so its all good for us. also remember these bits and pieces cricketers in the end are called no rounders rather than all rounders.. monty panesar and samit patel was perfect example :winky: just see how big difference monty made even though he is *****y fielder and pathetic tail ender :--D

I'm not talking about Tests,in ODIs Monty too has struggled.In Tests yes you need specialists obviously good bowlers can be spanked on thier bad days too.Then they cant contribute anything and are burden. Jadeja's batting is okay in ODIs now.in pattas he can play cameos like he did v SA which are very crucial.n fields too,so even if he just bowls his overs for 45-1 or even 50-1 in pattas is good as he can contribute in other areas,A proper would need to take 2-3 wickets otherwise its a waste.

[Old guy]

I'm not talking about Tests,in ODIs Monty too has struggled.In Tests yes you need specialists obviously good bowlers can be spanked on thier bad days too.Then they cant contribute anything and are burden. Jadeja's batting is okay in ODIs now.in pattas he can play cameos like he did v SA which are very crucial.n fields too,so even if he just bowls his overs for 45-1 or even 50-1 in pattas is good as he can contribute in other areas,A proper would need to take 2-3 wickets otherwise its a waste.

im not talking about jadeja i already told u he is bowling like a proper bowler right now so its perfect balance for our team. i can give u so many example jsut look at english side 3-4 years ago who was yardy guy ? tell me how he is anyway better than proper bowler like swann ?

[Lord]

im not talking about jadeja i already told u he is bowling like a proper bowler right now so its perfect balance for our team. i can give u so many example jsut look at english side 3-4 years ago who was yardy guy ? tell me how he is anyway better than proper bowler like swann ?

dont think he was picked ahead of Swann,he was picked ahead of Monty,as he himself was bowling okay. but yeah I agree with quality>quantity.Dont pick a guy just because he does 2 jobs.completely agree with that. about Jaddu,for now hes bowling like a proper bowler,but I think even he starts bowling badlly,he'd given a rope coz of his fielding + batting.same reason why Irfan keeps making the side despite his bowling being crap

[Old guy]

dont think he was picked ahead of Swann,he was picked ahead of Monty,as he himself was bowling okay. but yeah I agree with quality>quantity.Dont pick a guy just because he does 2 jobs.completely agree with that. about Jaddu,for now hes bowling like a proper bowler,but I think even he starts bowling badlly,he'd given a rope coz of his fielding + batting.same reason why Irfan keeps making the side despite his bowling being crap

long rope ? he will get that bcos of his good bowling not bcos his batting is good .. irfan pathan was actually dropped at time when his batting was all right but bowling was getting worst and i think it was good decision . like i said if both bowlers have similar skills pick the one who can do other jobs . but if one is clearly better than other then imo there is no question pick the proper bowler

[I6MTW]

for jadeja to continue, the SIR tag needs to continue on.

[youngindia]

meh in australia irfan pathan was playing 10x better than jadeja with bat..n .

they are at different levels of maturity and development...:giggle: to even compare them(in terms of batting potential) is stupid , as jadeja is much more of a batsman.

what timing he was struggling to play on quick pitches and even now has not done enough to call him proper batsma

clueless analysis to say the least. that's precisely why the likes of you will get owned.

hes world class with the bat?you are only one who thinks so I guess his triples dont mean much,he can at best be a bowling allrounder

I don't care about meaningless data or what happened in Australia or other pointless nonsense. he has far too much batting skills for a "bowling allrounder" for one. he must be one of the great bowling allrounder in history already considering only the likes of Imran average in the 30's.which is not the case. he has not even achieved full potential many without decent cricket experience can't tell the difference between a batsman and a bowler.you had posters here asking harbhajan to come at no 6.they can't be taken seriously.