Vijay.Sharma Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 3-AhYenaOqYThey argue just like the way they do on NDTV and IBN
flamy Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Very interesting....have u noticed such uprisings are happening all over the world in the last few months. Our species is evolving! Examples? I don't do news. But then, there would always be some uprising somewhere...
punjabi_khota Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Examples? I don't do news. But then, there would always be some uprising somewhere... :haha::haha: :WTF:
Silva Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Just what america needs, more unintelligent misinformed people with political power. I wouldn't be surprised if they form a left wing version of Tea party . The problem with the right is they want government programs like medicare without paying for it. Problem with the left is they want to increase government spending and raise taxes without reforming our medical and education programs that already spend and waste way too much money.
Vijay.Sharma Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Examples? I don't do news. But then, there would always be some uprising somewhere...Egypt, Libya, India... Of course uprisings will be there everyday somewhere in the world. But I was referring to nation-wide uprisings against their Govts
Brainfade Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 They talk in sign language or some kinda echo theme - it was fascinating' date=' saw it on CNN[/quote'] 3QZlp3eGMNI&feature=player_embedded
punjabi_khota Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 :hysterical: I thought they were protesting against big banks who raped US economy. :dontknow: Didn't know they were against Gap or Cannon.
Cricket Tragic Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 :hysterical: I thought they were protesting against big banks who raped US economy. :dontknow: Didn't know they were against Gap or Cannon. What are you talking about brah? :dontknow:
Clarke Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 :hysterical: I thought they were protesting against big banks who raped US economy. :dontknow: Didn't know they were against Gap or Cannon. Or for that matter the unrivaled influence of Corporations on Congress .. for some, its just my way or the highway. Either you are an American who believes in raw capitalism or Das Kapital is your bible, there's nothing in between.
Brainfade Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 :hysterical: I thought they were protesting against big banks who raped US economy. :dontknow: Didn't know they were against Gap or Cannon. My understanding is that they are protesting against corporate greed in general. In any case, I don't think they have a coherent stance. I think it is great that they live in a nation where they can freely exercise their 1st amendment right (of speech and assembly) with no legal repercussions (as long as they don't turn violent or break any laws).
Brainfade Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 even without being a part of the mob holding the protests your statement comes across to me unbelievably infantile and patronizing. With all due respect, you are paranoid. While I don't agree with their blanket rejection of free-market capitalism (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/opinion/occupy-wall-street-protests-reject-us-institutions-62696.html), I do think they have some valid points. More to the point, I respect their right to exercise their first amendment right of speech and assembly, and I think it is truly a good thing that they can. As an American citizen, I am proud of it. Is it also great that the corporate overlords of USA have the recourse to the same 1st amendment to lobby before the government and abuse the power of money NOT available to the rank and file? I am not sure I understand. Abuse of power is a first amendment right?
punjabi_khota Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I am not sure I understand. Abuse of power is a first amendment right? Citizens united Vs FEC. Money is speech. :((
Brainfade Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Maybe someone should protest the clout and money power of the unions: http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/10/12/$58-an-hour_uaw_workers_kill_$16k_ford_bonus_as_stingy/page/full/ $58-an-Hour UAW Workers Kill $16K Ford Bonus as Stingy By John Ransom 10/12/2011 As the UAW rank-and-file continues to vote on the contract offer hammered out between management and UAW honchos, the Detroit Free Press reports that at least one local has rejected the offer, even though it includes a $6,000 cash bonus, a $3,700 profit sharing bonus and at least another $1,500 cash for each of the four years on the contract for a total of $15,700 on top of wages and benefits. A similar contract offer with Government Motors (GM) contained a $5,000 bonus and an unspecified profit-sharing plan for union employees based on North American profits. And GM employees make less hourly than Ford employees do according to the Associated Press. The hourly wage in the GM contract will continue to go down. “The [GM] deal also will include creative ways to cut GM's hourly labor costs,” writes the AP. “GM pays around $56 per hour including wages and benefits, which is less than what Ford pays but far higher than other companies like Chrysler and Hyundai Motor Co.” Ford pays $58 per hour. No wonder some auto companies needed a bailout. $56 and $58 an hour? Most CEOs and small business owners make less than that. GM workers, as a part of the Obama bailout plan, agreed that they would forgo the ability to go on strike against their government masters. Ford workers did not. GM has reported profits of about $16 billion in the last 12 months on revenue of $147 billion, while Ford has reported profits of $25 billion on revenues of $131 billion. But here’s a question: At $58 an hour, why the heck would Ford workers ever want to go on strike? That’s $121,000 per year in wages and benefits at a time when the average American worker makes $38,337. And really: Who in their right mind would reject a $16,000 bonus at a time that most industries are shedding jobs and wages are falling? Not Bobbi Marsh, someone who started working for GM right before the crash came. From the SeattlePI.com: Bobbi Marsh, a worker in Lordstown, Ohio, near Cleveland who is paid the entry-level wage [at GM], said a raise would be nice, but she's more concerned about job security. Marsh was hired in 2008 to help make the hot-selling Chevrolet Cruze compact car. She's worried that if sales slow, she could get bumped out of work by people with more seniority. "If they want to throw us a dollar or two, I'm very excited," she said. "I really just need to keep my job." That’s not the way Ford union workers are seeing it. The Detroit Free Press says that the voting is tight on the new contract, but by my math it doesn’t look like it’ll be approved. “So far UAW production workers have voted in favor of the agreement by 50.1%, while 54.8% of skilled-trades workers have voted against the contract,” reports Freep.com. “The results include votes from about 7.3% of the UAW’s local units.” The local that reportedly rejected the Ford offer did so by narrow margin with 51 percent voting no, while 49 percent approved the contract. Given the numbers reported thus far, it doesn’t look good unless someone starts stuffing the ballot box. But why would the union help the contract go through when they can teach those no-bailout sellouts at Ford a lesson and help Government Motors' profit-sharing plan at the same time? But if it comes to a strike, there are a whole bunch of people just milling around Wall Street right now who say they are looking for work. $56 an hour will pay an awful lot of student loans.
punjabi_khota Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Wait, is this article claiming an average Ford factory worker is earning $120K per year@$56 an hour ? :hmmmm2: P.S.: As expected, it turns out to be the conservative bullshyte dressed up as facts. Average wage is less than $30 per hour. Almost all comparisons in that article are wrong (e.g. comparing WAGE of average American worker with TOTAL cost of employment of Ford worker, totally wrong. Or saying most CEOs earn less than Ford workers, totally wrong). Source: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/
Brainfade Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 This has nothing to do with free market or its flaws or the protesters having a valid/invalid point. Your comment about them being lucky to have this right to protest was straight up patronizing. The heart of the matter is' date=' they're not lucky, they [i']are the reason why they have this right. Get it? I can see why you didn't. I only took your ridiculous point about protesters being lucky further. The corporations in US have the recourse to the same 1st amendment to lobby before the government. It's a right that is consistently abused by them through money to get the congressional representatives to vote in a certain way in total disregard to the wishes to the people. Aren't they lucky to be incorporated in Delaware, US? More paranoia. I said "great," not "lucky." You read what you read. For the last time, I see their point about corporate greed. I don't agree with their blanket disgust against free-market capitalism. But they have a right to protest peacefully, and that is the way it should be.
Brainfade Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Wait, is this article claiming an average Ford factory worker is earning $120K per year@$56 an hour ? :hmmmm2: P.S.: As expected, it turns out to be the conservative bullshyte dressed up as facts. Average wage is less than $30 per hour. Almost all comparisons in that article are wrong (e.g. comparing WAGE of average American worker with TOTAL cost of employment of Ford worker, totally wrong. Or saying most CEOs earn less than Ford workers, totally wrong). Source: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/ Have I been pwned by posting conservative tripe without checking? Quite possible. I should follow my own advice and run snopes or factcheck before linking. But, if you think unions have no clout over elected officials, you live in la-la land. http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-31/news/mn-56970_1_union-support http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303339504575566481761790288.html
Brainfade Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 More chicanery. "Great" or "lucky" or "fortuitous" - you could use any and it wouldn't matter. What matters is that you patronizingly commented on their right to assemble and protest as if it were a matter of them being in the right country. Even though this is an inherent right and not something that accrues externally. Maybe you didn't mean it in this way but elsewhere this kind of argument is traditionally employed by the conservative to co-opt democratic values with their version of capitalism. Glad to note that you see reason. This brand of stereotyping of conservatives is just as bad as the conservatives stereotyping all liberals as socialist, welfare-seeking bums. I happen to be a citizen who appreciates all Americans' rights even if I am in disagreement with many of their ideas.
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