Dhoni and contemporary wicketkeepers

[gaurav92]

I assume your grouse against Dhoni is only limited to Test Matches. For we all agree that Dhoni is arguably our best ODI player ever.

Huh? Where did that come from :P

They do not tell us of the increased confidence of guys like Ishant and Sreesanth, whom other captains may not have persisted with.

And and you forgot the World Cup special confidence baaiz

[Mariyam]

^Rayudu is not the keeper.

It doesn't matter. While making a point on a forum, insignificant things like facts and realities should never get in the way of rhetoric and hyperbole.

[Mariyam]

Actually' date=' after the disastarous England tour, the selectors were contemplating different captains in Tests and LOIs.[b'] Dhoni managed to retain his test position by a very narrow margin. This might be his last chance in tests

Narrow margin as in they had a vote on this? And our selectors actually voted against Dhoni? Now I've completely lost whatever little faith I had in the selection committee.

[Sidhoni]

To answer your question; yes, there are other keepers in this country of a billion. The answer to that question does not depend on the batting figures you've posted above. You might as well have posted your scores when you played Tetris for the last 10 times, and my answer would still be the same. :P Judging a cricketer by mere statistics is a logical mala praxis that I've seen all too often on these forums. That's one of the major reasons I stay away from Cricket Talk. This is not a boardroom meet where you are discussing budgets for the coming year. You are trying to encapsulate the impact of a cricketer using mere numbers. I assume your grouse against Dhoni is only limited to Test Matches. For we all agree that Dhoni is arguably our best ODI player ever. Dhoni brings so much more to the team than the runs he scores. Where have you captured those intangibles that Dhoni provides the Indian team with? Those numbers you've stated there do not tell us that Dhoni led us to #1 in Tests for the first time in our history. They (the numbers) do not tell us of the immeasurable runs that his smart captaincy and field placing have saved us. They do not tell us of the wickets we've picked up due to his field. They do not tell us of the increased confidence of guys like Ishant and Sreesanth, whom other captains may not have persisted with. They do not tell us of the psychological impact he has on the opposition when they realize that they have to play against a team lead by Dhoni, so no matter how dire the situation, the opposing captain is not going to panic. A computer printout of his scores is not going to tell you all this. So he's had a bad run. Everyone does. He's a captain and a leader before he is a Test batsman. What are our alternatives? Parthiv Patel? Rayudu? These guys measure up to a Dhoni you think? In many ways, MSD stands for the values that the India of today holds in high esteem: he has the victor's elan, he is brash but considerate, arrogant but forgiving & most of all, he can take setbacks in his stride and carry on doing his best. He is already a cricketing legend if you ask me.

:hatsoff:

[Ram]

To answer your question; yes, there are other keepers in this country of a billion. The answer to that question does not depend on the batting figures you've posted above. You might as well have posted your scores when you played Tetris for the last 10 times, and my answer would still be the same. :P Judging a cricketer by mere statistics is a logical mala praxis that I've seen all too often on these forums. That's one of the major reasons I stay away from Cricket Talk. This is not a boardroom meet where you are discussing budgets for the coming year. You are trying to encapsulate the impact of a cricketer using mere numbers. I assume your grouse against Dhoni is only limited to Test Matches. For we all agree that Dhoni is arguably our best ODI player ever. Dhoni brings so much more to the team than the runs he scores. Where have you captured those intangibles that Dhoni provides the Indian team with? Those numbers you've stated there do not tell us that Dhoni led us to #1 in Tests for the first time in our history. They (the numbers) do not tell us of the immeasurable runs that his smart captaincy and field placing have saved us. They do not tell us of the wickets we've picked up due to his field. They do not tell us of the increased confidence of guys like Ishant and Sreesanth, whom other captains may not have persisted with. They do not tell us of the psychological impact he has on the opposition when they realize that they have to play against a team lead by Dhoni, so no matter how dire the situation, the opposing captain is not going to panic. A computer printout of his scores is not going to tell you all this. So he's had a bad run. Everyone does. He's a captain and a leader before he is a Test batsman. What are our alternatives? Parthiv Patel? Rayudu? These guys measure up to a Dhoni you think? In many ways, MSD stands for the values that the India of today holds in high esteem: he has the victor's elan, he is brash but considerate, arrogant but forgiving & most of all, he can take setbacks in his stride and carry on doing his best. He is already a cricketing legend if you ask me.

For someone who thought Kanitkar's full name was 'Hrishikant' Kanitkar less than a couple of months ago, your perspective of the game is incredible! :hatsoff: P.S; I had to make a mention of that Kanitkar gaffe.. What else do you expect? :giggle:

[deathmonger]

To answer your question; yes, there are other keepers in this country of a billion. The answer to that question does not depend on the batting figures you've posted above. You might as well have posted your scores when you played Tetris for the last 10 times, and my answer would still be the same. :P Judging a cricketer by mere statistics is a logical mala praxis that I've seen all too often on these forums. That's one of the major reasons I stay away from Cricket Talk. This is not a boardroom meet where you are discussing budgets for the coming year. You are trying to encapsulate the impact of a cricketer using mere numbers. I assume your grouse against Dhoni is only limited to Test Matches. For we all agree that Dhoni is arguably our best ODI player ever. Dhoni brings so much more to the team than the runs he scores. Where have you captured those intangibles that Dhoni provides the Indian team with? Those numbers you've stated there do not tell us that Dhoni led us to #1 in Tests for the first time in our history. They (the numbers) do not tell us of the immeasurable runs that his smart captaincy and field placing have saved us. They do not tell us of the wickets we've picked up due to his field. They do not tell us of the increased confidence of guys like Ishant and Sreesanth, whom other captains may not have persisted with. They do not tell us of the psychological impact he has on the opposition when they realize that they have to play against a team lead by Dhoni, so no matter how dire the situation, the opposing captain is not going to panic. A computer printout of his scores is not going to tell you all this. So he's had a bad run. Everyone does. He's a captain and a leader before he is a Test batsman. What are our alternatives? Parthiv Patel? Rayudu? These guys measure up to a Dhoni you think? In many ways, MSD stands for the values that the India of today holds in high esteem: he has the victor's elan, he is brash but considerate, arrogant but forgiving & most of all, he can take setbacks in his stride and carry on doing his best. He is already a cricketing legend if you ask me.

:two_thumbs_up: Tetris nice touch

[Yoda-esque]

Mariyam - I do not think MSD is arrogant at all.

[ganeshran]

For someone who thought Kanitkar's full name was 'Hrishikant' Kanitkar less than a couple of months ago, your perspective of the game is incredible! :hatsoff: P.S; I had to make a mention of that Kanitkar gaffe.. What else do you expect? :giggle:

:haha::haha:

[Mariyam]

For someone who thought Kanitkar's full name was 'Hrishikant' Kanitkar less than a couple of months ago, your perspective of the game is incredible! :hatsoff: P.S; I had to make a mention of that Kanitkar gaffe.. What else do you expect? :giggle:

It wasn't a gaffe at all. You've not grown up in Mumbai. So you probably are unaware of the Maharashtrian system of nomenclature. In typical Maharashtrian taxonomy, the name 'Hrishikant' is a synonym for the name 'Hrishikesh' which means something to the tune of "had potential and could have been good, but eventually flopped". The 'gaffe' you previously mentioned was in fact a post where in I'd displayed my acute sense of cultural awareness.

Mariyam - I do not think MSD is arrogant at all.

So he's arrogantly non arrogant?

[Ram]

It wasn't a gaffe at all. You've not grown up in Mumbai. So you probably are unaware of the Maharashtrian system of nomenclature. In typical Maharashtrian taxonomy, the name 'Hrishikant' is a synonym for the name 'Hrishikesh' which means something to the tune of "had potential and could have been good, but eventually flopped". The 'gaffe' you previously mentioned was in fact a post where in I'd displayed my acute sense of cultural awareness.

For a while, i almost took that seriously.. :hysterical:

[Mariyam]

144 off 175, 9 fours and 5 sixes. :yay: Looks like MSD has redeemed himself and silenced his critics.

[Number]

But Parthiv Patel could've hit 200 in 175 there and DK 230. Rayudu is the best option though.

[carnish]

But Parthiv Patel could've hit 200 in 175 there and DK 230. Rayudu is the best option though.

:finger:

[ganeshran]

144 off 175, 9 fours and 5 sixes. :yay: Looks like MSD has redeemed himself and silenced his critics.

You didnt see him in the first half hour of his batting I guess. Looked quite tentative. But he made full use of the good luck that came his way

[Late Cut]

Funny how the Dhoni haters come out in full force and then disappear. Where is that famous, the england series loss was all Dhonis fault thread, even though he had the third highest average for indians in the test series? Haterz.

[carnish]

DHONI is the messiah INDIAN cricket needed after the chappel fiasco... he may not be scorig that highly in tests but mostly thats because he comes too late more often than not needing to score quick runs or consolidating a bad start... he will do pretty good once he goes up higher the order... DHONI rocks..argubly the best ODI player INDIA ever produced... the best match finisher ever

[Aaku]

144 off 175, 9 fours and 5 sixes. :yay: Looks like MSD has redeemed himself and silenced his critics.

Funny how the Dhoni haters come out in full force and then disappear. Where is that famous' date=' the england series loss was all Dhonis fault thread, even though he had the third highest average for indians in the test series? Haterz.[/quote']

[Late Cut]

Kinky. :hysterical:

[Ultimate_Game]

Gilchrist = Legend Sangakkara = Legend McCullum = Top keeper, and does a handy job with the bat Boucher = Ditto Prior = Superb at his role in the side Dhoni = A useless hack who can strive to beat Kamran Akmal's record in test cricket. His scores this year in the format: 0, DNB, 0, 16, 2, 5, 74, DNB, 28, 16, 5, 0, 77, 74*, 17, 3, 0, 0. Surely there are other keepers in this country of a billion?

Gilchrist - All Time Great Sangakkara - doesn't keep in tests and plays as a specialist batsman Boucher & McCullum - They aren't better than Doni Prior - Pretty good So the only thing we know is that Gilchrist is the best of the lot and you may pick prior ahead of Dhoni if you have someone else to captain the team, but Dhoni is pretty good as a batsman/wk/captain. As for odis he can walk into a World XI purely as a batsman and if you add wicket-keeping and captaincy Dhoni makes a pretty good case for being in the All Time Odi XI team.

[Aaku]

Kinky. :hysterical:

dirty mind :headshake: