Lara V Tendulkar

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Sachin=GOD]

So now the haters have found a magical filter on SG to decide who is the best batsman ( runs scored against McGra ) :hysterical: As someone said earlier shoot first and then circle the point of impact and claim a bullseye hit

:giggle:

[velu]

So now the haters have found a magical filter on SG to decide who is the best batsman ( runs scored against McGra ) :hysterical: As someone said earlier shoot first and then circle the point of impact and claim a bullseye hit

looks like some sachinsta shot it first and anti-sachinstas drawn the circle after that :winky: anyway sarcasm gone bad :cantstop::cantstop:

Lara is a great batsman everyone. He performs his best when playing the best unlike SRT who bullies minnows...

:giggle:

[saneindian]

Anwar and Ijaz Ahmed are better than both Lara and Sachin, they outperformed both when playing vs Mcgrath. Rett and co would surely have both Anwar and Ijaz in their all time 11.

[Kumar]

in tests - i edge it to lara, though wouldnt b surpirsied if ppl edge it to tendulkar odis - tendulkar no question overall - tendulkar

[daryl1985]

Anwar and Ijaz Ahmed are better than both Lara and Sachin, they outperformed both when playing vs Mcgrath. Rett and co would surely have both Anwar and Ijaz in their all time 11.

I think the point of bringing up McGrath was to highlight the fact that Sachin played in more games where McGrath was not playing whereas Lara had to face McGrath more often which made Lara's task of scoring runs against Australia trickier as he is the best pace bowler since Marshall (IMO - Never seen Marshall so could not comment on who is better out of those 2).

[The Outsider]

I never did understand this point about average against a particular bowler. If no other bowler in the match bowled on that day' date=' it would make sense. Even for Sachin, he struggled against Gillespie more than Mcgrath and Gillespie got him out more times. But according to your average caulculation,[b'] just because McGrath was present in those matches, Sachin's low average was caused by mcGrath and not Gillespie

It's not about McGrath's presence - Tapioca had even posted one to one stats of McGrath and Tendulkar, but as usual everyone turned a blind eye to them and are rehashing the same arguments: http://indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=1765525&postcount=488

Took it from the statistician Charles Davis' blog - http://www.sportstats.com.au/bloghome.html He filled the pieces from original scorecards, and has mentioned the ones that he doesn't have. He had done this for many batsmen against McGrath four years back (http://www.sportstats.com.au/blogmay2007mar2008.html ) . At the time, he only had the details between 1999 & 2007, so SRT had an average of 17. That did not include Tendulkar's duck against McGrath in Delhi 1996/7

[Precambrian]

Stop the press, Going by the logic of rating batters based on their perform against McG, http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;player_involve=2101;team=1;team=140;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=batting Hazan Raza was Don Bradman incarnate... I knew it!!!

[The Outsider]

Stop the press, Going by the logic of rating batters based on their perform against McG, http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;player_involve=2101;team=1;team=140;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=batting Hazan Raza was Don Bradman incarnate... I knew it!!!

That would be more like Andy Ganteaume incarnate.

[Precambrian]

That would be more like Andy Ganteaume incarnate.

Pietersen, Ijaz Ahamed, vaughan& saeed anwar > BC lara :giggle:

[zen]

Anwar and Ijaz Ahmed are better than both Lara and Sachin, they outperformed both when playing vs Mcgrath. Rett and co would surely have both Anwar and Ijaz in their all time 11.

if that's what you infer from this .... :giggle:

[The Outsider]

Pietersen' date=' Ijaz Ahamed, vaughan& saeed anwar > BC lara :giggle:[/quote'] Don't know about that - you can have a word with those who are using performance against McGrath as the only benchmark of batting. Personally, I would rate Tendulkar over Lara.

[Precambrian]

Don't know about that - you can have a word with those who are using performance against McGrath as the only benchmark of batting. Personally' date=' I would rate Tendulkar over Lara.[/quote'] I don't recollect saying you said it in the first place... People who as Bossbhai said specialize in shooting the arrow and then circle it can answer this :)

[The Outsider]

I don't recollect saying you said it in the first place...

So, you were quoting my post to talk to someone else?

[Deleted_User_1]

Both are ATGs. No one is head and shoulders above the other. I rate SRT greater than Lara. Some would do the opposite. Some would even say Viv over SRT, or Ponting, etc. All are greats. No one stands way above the others.....I think Bradman would have been that way had he played in the modern era.

[zen]

Link Not to make this a comparision thread .... Read some comments like "only if he had this or that compared to x" but, excluding Zim and BD, comparing with other batsmen in his group like Sachin after 226 inngs (the number played by Lara), he is comfortably ahead! Also look at the "not out" column and the relative strength of bowlers/teams faced by this group to get a perspective on average Lara's 226 innings were played over 17 years, while Sachin's were played over 19 years (a huge huge sample size) The above is to illustrate that despite lacking "whatever" or "only" known because he played a few memorable knocks, Lara managed to get more runs, avg higher with fewer not outs and playing relatively stronger teams, and score similar # of 100s and 50s. If he had something more, then .... Lara is a perfect example of the WI school of batting that has given us greats like Sobers (said to have finished a game early as he had to go to the races) and Viv. While the Indian school has given us greats like Gavaskar, Sachin and Dravid. Both schools have their pros and cons so what may appear to be lacking may be a characteristic of that particular school (and its thoughts)

[Raghav_12]

So once again it has been proved that a tribute to Lara can't be paid without bringing Sachin in discussion. OP of this thread was a pleasant surprise as poster can write 3-4 paragraphs without mentioning Sachin. But that's how long it lasts.

[zen]

So once again it has been proved that a tribute to Lara can't be paid without bringing Sachin in discussion. OP of this thread was a pleasant surprise as poster can write 3-4 paragraphs without mentioning Sachin. But that's how long it lasts.

Do you own any patient to using Sachin's name? Or is there a rule that you cannot bring Sachin's name. As people who follow team india, they are bound to draw paralles with Indian players who are seen in the same group to bring a proper perspective .... and appears as if you only read my posts when some of the posts on this threads are to that effect or is it that Sachin name should only be used if he is too be shown as the greatest :haha: .... "He used sachin's name" (better than posting non sense all day with his avatar on) .... oh yeah big deal on an Indian forum

[Ponka]

Both are ATGs. No one is head and shoulders above the other. I rate SRT greater than Lara. Some would do the opposite. Some would even say Viv over SRT, or Ponting, etc. Some would say Tendu just played for the records whereas Viv, Lara, Ponting played for the team. All are greats. No one stands way above the others.....I think Bradman would have been that way had he played in the modern era.

Fixed.

[Raghav_12]

Do you own any patient to using Sachin's name? Or is there a rule that you cannot bring Sachin's name. As people who follow team india, they are bound to draw paralles with Indian players who are seen in the same group to bring a proper perspective .... and appears as if you only read my posts when some of the posts on this threads are to that effect or is it that Sachin name should only be used if he is too be shown as the greatest :haha: .... "He used sachin's name" (better than posting non sense all day with his avatar on) .... oh yeah big deal on an Indian forum

You can very well keep doing that and keep confirming to the notion that any players should be benchmarked against Sachin to be assessed on greatness. I am not complaining.