Sachin Tendulkar vs Sunil Gavaskar

[Lurker]

My dad can't stop talking about Gavaskar. Everytime we watch a match together, he has at least one story about Gavaskar. I don't blame him. I'll do the same with my kids over tendulkar (if they are interested in cricket).

:haha::haha: Very true. Would you bet mad if your kid called SRT useless as he played across 4 decades though :giggle:

[Deleted_User_1]

Kapil' date=' Kumble, Zaheer, srinath...not too many[/quote'] Out of them, I would say Kapil and Kumble. Zak and Srinath was not in the same category tho.

[Lurker]

Out of them' date=' I would say Kapil and Kumble. Zak and Srinath was not in the same category tho.[/quote'] Would have loved to see Kapil play with Zak or Srinath. Imagine two quality bowlers, a great opening bat, solid batting lineup and an attacking all-rounder. Yum

[Jersey #10]

:haha::haha: Very true. Would you bet mad if your kid called SRT useless as he played across 4 decades though :giggle:

:whack: that would call for a spanky. I better not hear about kohlis and rainas and sharmas being better than Tendulkar in the future.

[Jersey #10]

Out of them' date=' I would say Kapil and Kumble. Zak and Srinath was not in the same category tho.[/quote'] Basically our spearhead bowlers of their times. Srinath and Zak were lone worriers too often. They would have averaged a lot better if the other end bowlers applied pressure on the batsmen.

[pensionplan]

Although they were not double hundreds, but he did win us the game against England in Chennai in 2008 and also the knock against Pak in 1999 where the rest should have taken us over the line.

Such knocks(100-130 range scores) are common while chasing in cricket generally speaking especially on pitches where they are not tricky. VVS's own 103* at Colombo recently in the 4th innings comes to mind as well where we won. Though admirable such knocks to me cannot be ranked alongside someone when they scored almost twice the number of runs while chasing that too abroad or alien conditions.

Although Sunny's knock was special, there was no devil in the 4th and 5th day pitch in that match. It was fairly docile wicket for a 5th day pitch

You know very well India succumbed on much docile tracks abroad reading demons when they are none let alone chasing down 420 odd. So we got to look at that aspect as well and why scoring 220 odd in the 4th innings requires some super concentration while going about the chase which makes this such a special knock all things considered.

[Lurker]

:whack: that would call for a spanky. I better not hear about kohlis and rainas and sharmas being better than Tendulkar in the future.

lol... Who knows maybe T20 is the dominant theme and 100 100s may not even be looked at (hopefully not). And what is Jadeja is considered lot more underrated than the maestro? :giggle:

[Laaloo]

lol... Who knows maybe T20 is the dominant theme and 100 100s may not even be looked at (hopefully not). And what is Jadeja is considered lot more underrated than the maestro? :giggle:

Jadeja will be considered a better all rounder than Kapil Dev mark my words :--D

[Lurker]

Jadeja will be considered a better all rounder than Kapil Dev mark my words :--D

Tere keyboard mein keede padein naamuraad :rtfm:

[SLICKR392]

This comparison is a joke. SRT definitely.....and SMG was my childhood idol, I have grown up admiring him. SMG is one of the greatest opener, but SRT is a more complete batsman and has records to prove. I am certain SRT would have been equally successful had he played in the 70s and 80s.

I was waiting for a reply from a SMG fan...and this has to be the most valid reply. :hatsoff:

[Jersey #10]

lol... Who knows maybe T20 is the dominant theme and 100 100s may not even be looked at (hopefully not). And what is Jadeja is considered lot more underrated than the maestro? :giggle:

Jadeja is a joke. This guy deserves no space in the international arena...It's possible only in India. As for the 100 100s. Everyone will talk about it even if T20 is the dominant format. Don't we still have people fapping over Don Bradman's records even though he played timeless test matches about a century ago?

[Raghav_12]

Gavaskar's contribution to Indian cricket is definitely more than Sachin's contribution. He along with Kapil brought respect to Indian cricket when Indians were happy to be in second league. In terms of batsmanship, I would think that Sachin is better than Gavaskar. Both of them fought lone battles for Indian team, however towards later part of his career, Sachin got as good suport as anybody could. As Danda mentioned earlier, if you dig, there are blots in Sunny's records as well. He had failed very badly against WI in 83 series when WI attack was at it full strength - all 4 of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Roberts were there. I wasn't aware of his relative lack of success in England.

[Crookbond]

I don't care who was better b/c you can't really compare the two. Things change everyday forget two different eras. My dad can't stop talking about Gavaskar. Everytime we watch a match together, he has at least one story about Gavaskar. I don't blame him. I'll do the same with my kids over tendulkar (if they are interested in cricket).

The above 4 lines is what I've been trying to say since a month now. Let us please stop comparing and have some great cricket related discussion on the current series.

[CasualVisitor]

Sunny was a limited and a one-dimensional batsman. SRT any day. For the records, before SRT arrived on the scene, SMG was my most favorite Indian batsman.

[CasualVisitor]

Gavaskar was quality' date= Sachin is quantity. That should sum it up succintly. Sunny for me.

Thank you for supplementing me with the joke of the day.

[CasualVisitor]

I have no doubt in my mind about that coming from a fan who followed him so closely. For whatever it is worth I am a bigger Vishy fan than a SMG fan and to date believe that he is the best worst pitch player India ever had but for his liking for the beer he should have accumulated more runs for a player of that genius and command.

Probably yes. Also, he was the most elegant one.

[Lurker]

As Danda mentioned earlier, if you dig, there are blots in Sunny's records as well. He had failed very badly against WI in 83 series when WI attack was at it full strength - all 4 of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Roberts were there. I wasn't aware of his relative lack of success in England.

If scoring over 500 runs in a series at 50 plus with 2 centuries, including a double century that too against the best pace attack of all times, is your definition of failing very badly then I would really like to know your definition of success. And just for kicks please feel free to include any series where Sachin Tendulkar has "failed" (or succeeded) as much.

Gavaskar's contribution to Indian cricket is definitely more than Sachin's contribution. He along with Kapil brought respect to Indian cricket when Indians were happy to be in second league. In terms of batsmanship, I would think that Sachin is better than Gavaskar. Both of them fought lone battles for Indian team, however towards later part of his career, Sachin got as good suport as anybody could.

Better batsmanship how?? Just a simple example here. Sunil Gavaskar playing his entire career against unarguably the best pace era of cricket. This was of course in the era of no helmets yada yada with no bouncer rules, and yet he was never hit on his head. The closest he came to was when Marshall knocked off the bat his hand. Do you want me to pull out all the videos of SRT being hit on the helmet? Clearly if playing fast bowlers at their ferocious best is concerned Sunny would not come second best to Sachin. Not sure how you got this whole batsmanship thing going here.

[singhprakash72]

Gavaskar's contribution to Indian cricket is definitely more than Sachin's contribution. He along with Kapil brought respect to Indian cricket when Indians were happy to be in second league. In terms of batsmanship, I would think that Sachin is better than Gavaskar. Both of them fought lone battles for Indian team, however towards later part of his career, Sachin got as good suport as anybody could. As Danda mentioned earlier, if you dig, there are blots in Sunny's records as well. He had failed very badly against WI in 83 series when WI attack was at it full strength - all 4 of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Roberts were there. I wasn't aware of his relative lack of success in England.

I think 83 series in WI was failure (though he did score a 147* in Georgetown test & 90 in a ODI) but following series in India after WC he literally smashed Marshall,Holding,Robert in Delhi & Ahmedabad test while made them toil in the last test for 236*. So to me Sunny did face WI bowlers in prime with limited success (not complete failure)...also remember he faced a Imran Khan at his peak in 82-83 series in Pak were he did a decent job and similarly in his last series with Pakistan at home with Imran,Akram,Qadir,Tausif in the attack.

[vvvslaxman]

Two of the toughest series for India in the 80s were vs Pakistan in 82/83 and vs Windies in 82 both away tours. Mohinder Amarnath stole the show from every body on both tours. I remember sunny mentioning "we need to move the sight screen between batsman and bowler" while talking about Imran khan's fast banana inswingers. Those inswingers were surreal.. Ball tampering was at its peak. Right after Pakistan tour they had to visit Windies. Comments were like "You only faced one imran khan in pakistan , you will have to face 4 in West Indies". Those days with no bouncer restriction and no proper helmet, no monitoring of ball tampering.. it was bowlers who dominated. Also it is unfair to compare an opener with a middle order batsman.

[singhprakash72]

Two of the toughest series for India in the 80s were vs Pakistan in 82/83 and vs Windies in 82 both away tours. Mohinder Amarnath stole the show from every body on both tours. I remember sunny mentioning "we need to move the sight screen between batsman and bowler" while talking about Imran khan's fast banana inswingers. Those inswingers were surreal.. Ball tampering was at its peak. Right after Pakistan tour they had to visit Windies. Comments were like "You only faced one imran khan in pakistan , you will have to face 4 in West Indies". Those days with no bouncer restriction and no proper helmet, no monitoring of ball tampering.. it was bowlers who dominated. Also it is unfair to compare an opener with a middle order batsman.

I remember seeing 82-83 series in TV (probably my first ) with Amarnath & Gavaskar the only two batsman standing up to Imran. The swing & Seam movement that Imran got in that series was never to be seen again (not even Wasim/Waqar at peak in Eng'92)....was it ball tampering or not but the ball moved off air and pitch on a dead track were Indian bowlers could never take 20 wkts in test the whole series.