Greatest Bowler Ever-an analysis

[Sir john]

harmy is the best.he trouble each world batsman with his bounce.

[bhanu]

1. sri lanka don't have a better record. 2. pakistan's record is magnified due to winning dead rubbers in away series. if you think about it which major away series have pakistan won in recent years. none no. if you compare on a series to series basis india has a superior away record.

dood? i was expecting sumthing like dat.. we dont care if its on dead rubber or alive rubber u cant argue dat we r ahead of u guys :finger:

[Old guy]

dood? i was expecting sumthing like dat.. we dont care if its on dead rubber or alive rubber u cant argue dat we r ahead of u guys :finger:

in what? dead rubbers? :dontknow:

[Utalk]

People arguing with these LahoriLogic madrasa pass ones.THere are tons of more Pakistanis who have much better sense than these imbeciles.And its fun debating with them.For these people here IK GReatest Cricketer Inzy:Greatest match winner fast bowling batsman:hysterical: Ajmal:Best offspinner...bet off runouter..... These Madrasa brainwashed propaganda fed people like the ones here only bring bad name to theri fellow countrymen.

Mate I thought you were better then this. There is no need for these madarsa jibes. Every forum has those hate filled nutters who make your blood boil but keeping your calm and manners is what gets them riled they want to annoy you and get a reaction.

[Number]

Mate I thought you were better then this. There is no need for these madarsa jibes. Every forum has those hate filled nutters who make your blood boil but keeping your calm and manners is what gets them riled they want to annoy you and get a reaction.

ON TOPIC , Do you rate Waqar higher than Akram ?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Mate I thought you were better then this. There is no need for these madarsa jibes. Every forum has those hate filled nutters who make your blood boil but keeping your calm and manners is what gets them riled they want to annoy you and get a reaction.

Sorry Saeed,It was not for you.But for a particular poster.Apologies.EDITED.

[Utalk]

ON TOPIC ' date=' Do you rate Waqar higher than Akram ?[/quote'] Yes in test cricket I rate Waqar way higher then Wasim. All our major test wins in 90s were built around Waqar and Mushi. Wasim was more talented but he greatly under achieved.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

how the hell do these pakis even figure in the discussion. take away the minnows and their records are total ****ing **** then there is also that stuff with ball tampering, match fixing, etc.

[Utalk]

Most of high profile series in 90s Waqar was awesome. WI in Pak 1990 16w @ 18. In Eng 92 22w @ 25. In WI 93 19 @ 18. Aus at home 94 10@25. In Eng 96 16@26. In SA 98 16@22.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

brap brap brap

WAQAR YOUNIS yesterday became the first player to be suspended for ball-tampering when match referee John Reid banned him from playing against Sri Lanka in the middle of the triangular series that also involves South Africa. Television pictures from Saturday, when Pakistan played South Africa, showed Waqar and fellow seamer Azhar Mahmood gouging the side of the ball with thumbnails and scratching at the seam, unaware that modern technology was not only recording their misdeeds but enhancing it with a television 'magnifier'. Unlike in Kandy when the irrascible Brigadeer Mohammad Nasir, the Pakistan manager, claimed Waqar was cleaning the ball, no defence was mounted this time. The Pakistan board will, however, protest to the ICC over the ban. "John Reid has been a bit biased against Pakistan and we will take up this matter with the ICC," board official Yawar Saeed said. Waqar seemed baffled when confronted with the news: "I've been doing the same thing for 15 years," he said. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Conspiracy theorists will note that the entire television production crew on duty in Sri Lanka, including the cameramen, are South African, but producer Richard Parker says their role in Waqar's demise is not necessarily of their making. "After Waqar was seen in Kandy scratching down one side of the ball John Reid told us to keep an eye on any of the teams for ball-tampering and to help him if we could," Parker said. "The ball was changed after 35 overs during the South African innings on Saturday and the word we got was that if there was any 'work' to be done on the replacement ball it would happen rapidly in the first couple of overs after that. "We saw Waqar almost immediately but Azhar kept turning away from the cameras to shield what he was doing. But we had enough cameras and kept them on him, even during the commercial breaks. Eventually we caught him."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/4757911/Waqar-suspended-for-ball-tampering.html

[the don]

DRAVID GUILTY OF BALL TAMPERING International Cricket Council match referee Clive Lloyd believes Rahul Dravid's "energy sweet" ball-tampering actions were deliberate - a claim denied by Dravid and the Indian camp. According to Lloyd, who fined Dravid 50 per cent of his match payment over the incident, television footage conclusively showed the star Indian batsman intentionally applying a lozenge to the ball during the Zimbabwean innings on Tuesday night at the Gabba, breaching clause 2.10 of the ICC's Code of Conduct. Though Dravid, India coach John Wright and captain Sourav Ganguly claimed the action was accidental - arguing that the lozenge fell from Dravid's mouth :haha::haha::haha:- Lloyd felt otherwise. "It couldn't have been accidental because he's been fined," Lloyd said. "It was shown he was applying a substance to it. I looked at the film and it was conclusive. The rules are there - you can only apply saliva and sweat to the ball. "[india] can say it's accidental but the point is the footage shows that something has been applied to the ball and the rules state you are not allowed to do it. "Once the charge is brought you have to show the evidence. Something was being applied to the ball quite obviously and he must have known it. It's quite conclusive on film." http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/21/1074360836935.html all such cheating tactics couldnt help the indian bowlers , such heights of uselessness, none averages less than 25 . :(

[deathmonger]

DRAVID GUILTY OF BALL TAMPERING International Cricket Council match referee Clive Lloyd believes Rahul Dravid's "energy sweet" ball-tampering actions were deliberate - a claim denied by Dravid and the Indian camp. According to Lloyd, who fined Dravid 50 per cent of his match payment over the incident, television footage conclusively showed the star Indian batsman intentionally applying a lozenge to the ball during the Zimbabwean innings on Tuesday night at the Gabba, breaching clause 2.10 of the ICC's Code of Conduct. Though Dravid, India coach John Wright and captain Sourav Ganguly claimed the action was accidental - arguing that the lozenge fell from Dravid's mouth :haha::haha::haha:- Lloyd felt otherwise. "It couldn't have been accidental because he's been fined," Lloyd said. "It was shown he was applying a substance to it. I looked at the film and it was conclusive. The rules are there - you can only apply saliva and sweat to the ball. "[india] can say it's accidental but the point is the footage shows that something has been applied to the ball and the rules state you are not allowed to do it. "Once the charge is brought you have to show the evidence. Something was being applied to the ball quite obviously and he must have known it. It's quite conclusive on film." http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/21/1074360836935.html all such cheating tactics couldnt help the indian bowlers , such heights of uselessness, none averages less than 25 . :(

still useless indian trundlers won world cup and series in indies. :finger: waqar's highest world cup game is him being murdered by jadeja. :hysterical::hysterical:

[Crookbond]

^ Waqar was given a T20 bashing in an ODI at his prime. Even Ajit Agarkar can't match it.

[Ultimate_Game]

Waqar and Paki bowlers were inflated due to ball tampering and the Chris Pringle incident in Pakistan in early 90s clearly highlights the same. Here are some details of the same...

One of the most bizarre - and blatant - instances of ball tampering occurred during New Zealand's tour of Pakistan in the autumn of 1990. From the off, New Zealand expressed deep reservations about the way that the Pakistan bowlers got the ball to reverse swing, and the appearance of the ball. Most dismissed this as sour grapes as the tour had been in trouble before it started. Several leading New Zealanders opted out of making the trip, leading to Imran Khan also absenting himself after protesting at what he believed would be a "mismatch". And then when the Pakistan Cricket Board suggested appointing neutral umpires, Martin Crowe, New Zealand's captain, said that it had to be "better than having two Pakistani umpires". Unsurprisingly, the PCB did an about-turn and dropped the plan. In the opening Test at Karachi, New Zealand were twice bowled out for under 200 as Pakistan, thanks to 203 from Shoaib Mohammad, won by an innings. In the second Test at Lahore, Martin Crowe remembered that he encountered reverse-swing for the first time on his way to a second-innings hundred. "Six supposed outswingers [from Wasim Akram] suddenly became six lethal inswingers. I had never seen it before and I became curious." During the innings, Crowe dropped a delivery from Abdul Qadir at his feet and bent down to pick it up and lob it back to the bowler. "It was totally mutilated on one side with two or three deep scratches gouged out," he said. "I complained to the umpires but they did nothing." Later in the day the ball went out of shape and was changed. As it was thrown to the boundary by the umpires, Willie Watson and Mark Priest rushed to intercept it. "It bore no resemblance to a cricket ball," Crowe claimed. The pair took it back to the changing-room but, so Crowe noted, Intikhab Alam, the Pakistan manager, came in and took it and it was never seen again. Ian Taylor, the New Zealand manager, made an official complaint at the end of the match, but it was dismissed with the officials stating that the condition of the ball resulted from a rough outfield and advertising hoardings. "We accepted that Pakistan were the better team," Crowe added, "but we were not going to accept what they were doing with the ball." Chris Pringle, at the time New Zealand's opening bowler, decided to take the law into his own hands. "There was something going on," he recalled in his autobiography Save The Last Ball For Me. "And whether what I did was the right or wrong way to make the ball look as it did in the next Test, I had to try it." After another resounding defeat at Lahore, several of the New Zealanders experimented in the nets with scoring one side of an old ball with bottle tops. "With that technique, even guys like Mark Greatbatch and Martin Crowe were swinging the ball miles in the air," Pringle wrote. "We practised long and hard in the nets and were quite excited about the results we were getting with it." Crowe admitted that he ran in to bowl his normal inswingers "only to see the ball curve the other way ... I'd never bowled outswingers in my life!" On the morning of the first day of the final Test at Faisalabad, Pringle decided to put what he had learned into practice. He found an old bottle top, cut it into quarters, covered the serrated edge with tape, leaving a sharp point exposed. At the first drinks interval the umpires did not ask to look at the ball and, with Pakistan making sedate progress, Pringle started scratching the ball with the bottle top. Pakistan crashed from 35 for 0 to 102 all out. Pringle finished with his Test-best figures of 7 for 52. "Neither umpire showed any concern or took any notice in what we were doing even though, at the end of the innings, the ball was very scratched," Pringle noted. "One side was shiny but there were lots of grooves and lines and deep gouges on the other side. It was so obvious. It was ripped to shreds ... one side of the ball had been demolished. The umpires were walking across to each other and talking quite a lot. I sensed that they could tell what was going on ... but they didn't want to get involved in anything controversial." However, while the men in white remained implacable, others were wise to what was happening. Pringle recalled that as he left the stadium after taking his seven wickets on the first day, a local dignitary tapped him on the shoulder and said: "Pringle, it is fair now. Both teams are cheating." Although the umpires did not check the ball during each session, they did have it during intervals and at the close. And as the game wore on, Pringle became deliberately obvious in an attempt to get a reaction, even gouging the ball as he talked to the umpire. Still nothing was said. So eagerly was he vandalizing the ball that at one stage he cut himself on the jagged bottle top. Even the sight of a bowler with blood freely flowing from a sliced finger did not cause any disquiet as far as the officials were concerned. Pringle finished with 11 for 152 after taking 2 for 190 in the first two matches, but his efforts could not prevent New Zealand sliding to another defeat and a series whitewash.

http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2006-09-26/SA-8.html

Of course a New Zealand team I was in performed a very famous bit of ball tampering in Pakistan, retribution for what the home team had been doing. Chris Pringle was the major beneficiary in that 1990 test in Faisalabad, taking 11 wickets after we went to work with a bottle top. We had practised roughing the ball up with the bottle top in the nets before the test and I even managed to get some devastating late swing on the ball. Pakistan were the masters of ball tampering, and got away with it for 15 or 20 years because no one really knew what was going on.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10624473 Not surprisingly since the advent of more TV cameras and more scrutiny the Pakis' factory line of fast bowlers has dried up and we all know why. Coz they can't tamper with the ball now.

[panther]

Waqar and Paki bowlers were inflated due to ball tampering and the Chris Pringle incident in Pakistan in early 90s clearly highlights the same. Here are some details of the same... http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2006-09-26/SA-8.html http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10624473 Not surprisingly since the advent of more TV cameras and more scrutiny the Pakis' factory line of fast bowlers has dried up and we all know why. Coz they can't tamper with the ball now.

Ball tampering is an art.

[Ultimate_Game]

Ball tampering is an art.

Sure it is just like pitch dancing. And looks like it's a dying art which ICC never really supported and without that art Paki pacers are quite pedestrian.

[panther]

Sure it is just like pitch dancing. And looks like it's a dying art which ICC never really supported and without that art Paki pacers are quite pedestrian.

bowlers from all countries were reversing the ball some more than others, until the 2 new ball rule came into play only a few have been able to reverse it since.

[the don]

indian trundlers couldnt do jack , even as its batsmen joined the bowlers in the act of ball tampering , people like tendulkar and dravid .still such crapiness:haha:

[Utalk]

Waqar and Paki bowlers were inflated due to ball tampering and the Chris Pringle incident in Pakistan in early 90s clearly highlights the same. Here are some details of the same... http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2006-09-26/SA-8.html http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10624473 Not surprisingly since the advent of more TV cameras and more scrutiny the Pakis' factory line of fast bowlers has dried up and we all know why. Coz they can't tamper with the ball now.

You always run away when I ask you a simple question. If Pakistan success was due to home umpires because the let them tamper with the ball then how come they never lost a series in Ind and Eng during mid 80s to mid 2000s. There were no Pakistani umpires when we won in Ind 87 Eng 87 won in Eng 92-96 and won two tests in India 99 losing one. Then we drew in Eng 2001 and Ind 2005 with so called poor teams. We also dominated Ind in Ind in ODIs from 84 to 2006. Winning 80% of the games with no Pakistani umpires in sight. It's only a sport and some time there is no harm in appreciating good players regardless who they play for, I admire Tendulkar,Lara and Warne like I admire Imran or Waqar. These guys enhanced quality of sport we love and deserve appreciation.

[saneindian]

^ When Imran openly admits he used bottle caps and nails or when Waqar says he has been gouging out seam off balls for 15 years, that is nothing sort of cheating. Doing it once or twice could be put down as an aberration but for them to admit they did illegal things through their career does diminish some of the hallow they have. If in future, you come to know Lara or Sachin were using graphite or some other piece on their bats to enhance their stroke play, wonder how you guys would react. There's a reason why the ICC banned Punter's graphite bats.