seedhi Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Yes - and even there he says "I have heard from somewhere". But now, you will use your impressive divergence formula to move this debate from Modi to Kejriwal. Khalpat - I'm not sure if that was your aim but if it was you are successful. Usual suspects are already licking their lips.That was the claimed existence of the TI report, which was false. He emphatically said that his govt has reduced corruption. Again unsubstantiated.
Crookbond Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 That was the claimed existence of the TI report' date=' which was false. He emphatically said that his govt has reduced corruption. Again unsubstantiated.[/quote'] Yes, that was unsubstantiated - I agree. I mean - that's not even debatable. It was first said by Shazia Ilmi and Kejriwal piggybacked on it. Later, TI said it is false. I'm aware of all this - I ain't turning a blind eye towards it. None of this absolves of Modi of his distortion.
seedhi Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 I just showed you that stability in USD was there 6 months before Modi came to power.So what? Modi maintained the stability which allowed the oil companies to compensate for the under recoveries. Likewise, if Modi also maintains the same level of corruption/inflation/trade deficit/CAD etc as before, he will be responsible for it.
Khalpat Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 All that I'm saying is that Modi created the wrong perception. I will be more than happy to admit that Kejriwal created a wrong perception about many other things. However, that Kejriwal created a wrong perception is not justification that Modi created one. Both are equally wrong. The call out for wrong perceptions is how we improve as a democracy. The quest for facts over perception is how we improve our understanding of the system and that's also how we participate. The moment the argument is "They also do it!", well we are maintaining status quo. This is my personal opinion btw. I totally agree with you but here the role of opposition party comes into the picture right? And that is were they have failed drastically. Government, it might be of anyone Mulalyam, Modi, Outty, Rahul, Kejriwal they would be doing the same thing ie creating the perception that see we have done these many good things. Now it is the turn of opposition to prove that the government is wrong and convince people about their misdeed. The one who is more convincing wins the race. It is as simple as that.
seedhi Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Yes, that was unsubstantiated - I agree. I mean - that's not even debatable. It was first said by Shazia Ilmi and Kejriwal piggybacked on it. Later, TI said it is false. I'm aware of all this - I ain't turning a blind eye towards it. None of this absolves of Modi of his distortion.Of course, he made a factual error. And the possible explanation is that he confused b/w alphabetical and numerical order. I don't see how that makes him a compulsive liar.
Crookbond Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 So what? Modi maintained the stability which allowed the oil companies to compensate for the under recoveries. Likewise, if Modi also maintains the same level of corruption/inflation/trade deficit/CAD etc as before, he will be responsible for it. So nothing, it is not a co-incidence that when crude oil prices went down - petrol prices went down. No evidence to suggest Modi's hand in petrol prices.
Crookbond Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Of course' date=' he made a factual error. And the possible explanation is that he confused b/w alphabetical and numerical order. I don't see how that makes him a compulsive liar.[/quote'] And if he repeats the same "factual errors" again and again, in my books he is doing it intentionally.
Crookbond Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 I totally agree with you but here the role of opposition party comes into the picture right? And that is were they have failed drastically. Government' date=' it might be of anyone Mulalyam, Modi, Outty, Rahul, Kejriwal they would be doing the same thing ie creating the perception that see we have done these many good things. Now it is the turn of opposition to prove that the government is wrong and convince people about their misdeed. The one who is more convincing wins the race. It is as simple as that.[/quote'] No. It is not just ONLY the role of opposition parties. We as citizens need to be more participatory in governance and call out these errors. Currently, it is more a fight between who misleads the best - this is the difference.
seedhi Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 So nothing' date=' it is not a co-incidence that when crude oil prices went down - petrol prices went down. No evidence to suggest Modi's hand in petrol prices.[/quote']Petrol prices do not automatically come down. It is a decision taken at the Oil Ministry level. The government could have chosen to not lower the petrol prices and perhaps use the differential to fund some social schemes. Another route could have been to increase the excise duty on petrol to narrow the budget deficit. But the govt chose to pass on the benefit to the consumers. The price which we pay at the pump is determined not just by the international crude price, but also a maze of customs and excise duties, and cross subsidies determined by the government.
seedhi Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 And if he repeats the same "factual errors" again and again' date=' in my books he is doing it intentionally.[/quote']If he knowingly and deliberately repeats the same error then he is lying, but I don't see any evidence of it. Has any political party/major newspaper pointed out the error? And has he repeated the error after that?
G_B_ Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 I just showed you that stability in USD was there 6 months before Modi came to power. That was when opinion polls started showing the BJP under modi starting to pull away towards victory. Even then he can take credit.
G_B_ Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 ^ Its a curious case really. Tharoor in all honestly wont be reelected if he joins the BJP as a lok sabha MP. But you get a feeling with Tharoor that he wants to be in the limelight. I think he realized he wanted to join politics after the UN thing. Saw that the congress was in the ascendancy in the state and nationally and joined them. Now with the BJP, does Modi want him enough to offer him a rajya sabha seat? That way he can be the face of the BJP in Kerala from the safety of the rajya sabha. I doubt anything will come of it. Tharoor being the the state he hails from has limited options. Its either the congress of the commies for him. Maybe if he was from Karnataka he could jump ship.
veer Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 ^ Its a curious case really. Tharoor in all honestly wont be reelected if he joins the BJP as a lok sabha MP. But you get a feeling with Tharoor that he wants to be in the limelight. I think he realized he wanted to join politics after the UN thing. Saw that the congress was in the ascendancy in the state and nationally and joined them. Now with the BJP, does Modi want him enough to offer him a rajya sabha seat? That way he can be the face of the BJP in Kerala from the safety of the rajya sabha. I doubt anything will come of it. Tharoor being the the state he hails from has limited options. Its either the congress of the commies for him. Maybe if he was from Karnataka he could jump ship. Sashi Tharoor is one of those who does not mind saying Right is Right.. even if that Right is coming from BJP.. that's what I am gathering from him lately. Now I dont know if he has alerterior motive behind it.
Texan Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 Is Modi courting Shashi Tharoor? :hmmm: No. What Shashi Tharoor has been saying after the elections is the role that the opposition should be playing. If you read his articles, he has criticized Modi on a number of occasions. On some occasions in which he feels that the government has taken the right steps, it is only fair that he appreciates such moves. Unfortunately, in India, opposition parties (be it Congress or BJP or any other party) often take the word too literally. They tend to think that they are supposed to oppose every single move by the government. But, it only tends to expose their double standards.
Crookbond Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 Petrol prices do not automatically come down. It is a decision taken at the Oil Ministry level. The government could have chosen to not lower the petrol prices and perhaps use the differential to fund some social schemes. Another route could have been to increase the excise duty on petrol to narrow the budget deficit. But the govt chose to pass on the benefit to the consumers. The price which we pay at the pump is determined not just by the international crude price' date=' but also a maze of customs and excise duties, and cross subsidies determined by the government.[/quote'] Wrong - international crude oil prices almost exclusively completely dictate petrol prices.
Crookbond Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 If he knowingly and deliberately repeats the same error then he is lying' date=' but I don't see any evidence of it. Has any political party/major newspaper pointed out the error? And has he repeated the error after that?[/quote'] I don't see him accepting that it was "an error" either. He moves on to make another "convenient error".
coffee_rules Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 #FekuFlops trending in India. Seems like #AAPtards are busy.
Yoda-esque Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 #FekuFlops trending in India. Seems like #AAPtards are busy. Normal service resumed
Texan Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 IMF, World Bank forecast 6.4% growth for India in 2015 The IMF and the World Bank on Tuesday forecast an identical 5.6 per cent growth rate for India this year and a higher 6.4 per cent in 2015, citing renewed confidence in the market due to a series of economic reforms pursued by the new government. "Growth in India is expected to rise to 5.6 per cent in 2014 and pick up further to 6.4 per cent in 2015 as both exports and investment increase," the International Monetary Fund said in its latest World Economic Outlook (WEO) report released here on Tuesday. In 2013, India's growth rate was 5 per cent. On the other hand in China, growth will remain at 7.4 per cent in 2014 and is projected to be of 7.1 per cent in 2015. According to the WEO, after a slowdown in the first half of 2014, global growth is forecast to strengthen to 3.5 per cent in the second half of 2014 and 3.8 per cent in 2015. But growth is uneven and still weak overall and remains susceptible to many downside risks. Earlier the World Bank said that Indian economy, which accounts for 80 per cent of South Asia's output, is set to grow by 6.4 per cent in 2015-16 as against 5.6 per cent in 2014-15. With economic activity buoyed by expectations from the newly-elected government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, India is benefiting from a "Modi dividend", the bank said in its twice-a-year South Asia Economic Focus report on Monday. Over the next year or so economic growth should be supported by the recovering US economy that would provide a market for Indian merchandise and service exports, it said. "The outlook over the next years for South Asia indicates broad economic stability and a pick-up in growth with potential risks concentrated on the fiscal and structural reform side," said Martin Rama, chief economist for South Asia at the World Bank. "Future growth will increasingly depend on strong investment and export performance," he added. Private investment is expected to pick up thanks to the government's business orientation, and declining oil prices should boost private sector competitiveness. But economic reforms will be needed for India to achieve its full long-term growth potential, the report argued. The report said the region's economy will expand by a real 6 per cent in 2015 and by 6.4 per cent in 2016 compared to 5.4 per cent this year, potentially making it the second fastest growing region in the world after East Asia and the Pacific. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/IMF-World-Bank-forecast-6-4-growth-for-India-in-2015/articleshow/44629326.cms
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