Mariyam Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 It's a dying of the old ways and a new age is here. They should celebrate it but such is human nature that we think of the way things were to be an ideal state. +100000000000000000000000000000 Well put.
Yoda-esque Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 PK - Have to disagree with you. Parsis have integrated more in the fabric of Indian society than most other clans/tribes. I have the highest regard for them.
Prakat Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 PK - Have to disagree with you. Parsis have integrated more in the fabric of Indian society than most other clans/tribes. I have the highest regard for them. Do you not agree that the Parsis are a famously isolated community? Take Mariyam's second post on this thread as an example. Her tone is one of revelation and I'm sure what she shared is news to many. Fact is, very few people know about the culture and mores of the community. How many Parsis have ventured even outside Bombay? Are they not as alien to someone outside Bombay as a Jamaican or an Israeli? They are not even that well understood in Bombay for that matter. How then would you call that as being integrated into Indian society?
Prakat Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Fair point. But this is a non-sequitur in the sense that you're arguing about the overall need to have community housing. You can say the same thing about MHADA houses in absolutely plush areas like Juhu' date=' Khar Danda etc where a large chunk of land is off limits for builders and hence those staying in the vicinity have to pay more.[/quote'] Hardly a non-sequitur when I was illustrating just how this affects everybody else. And how can we compare MHADA housing with Parsi housing? MHADA provides low-cost housing. Its eligibilities are different. It is a service to Indians as a whole. Yes. Point taken. Agree, there are poor Parsis, mostly elderly. Let me tell you how this affects others on a individual level. Two people join an MNC. One a Parsi and the other a non-Parsi Indian. They are in lower management and make the same money. As the years go by, the Parsi executive saves significantly on his salary, owing to the subsidized housing, allowing him to buy the newest model of cars every other year. The non-Parsi Indian keeps his first car for as long as he can. A few promotions later, the Parsi executive is able to afford membership in the same clubs the honchos in the company. Life goes on and before you know it the Parsi executive has edged out the non-Parsi in a critical promotion. Now, what was the difference?
asterix Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Okay, how many Parsis are currently in ICF? Let's have their views too... I'm sure many of them follow cricket...
Yoda-esque Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Do you not agree that the Parsis are a famously isolated community? Take Mariyam's second post on this thread as an example. Her tone is one of revelation and I'm sure what she shared is news to many. Fact is, very few people know about the culture and mores of the community. How many Parsis have ventured even outside Bombay? Are they not as alien to someone outside Bombay as a Jamaican or an Israeli? They are not even that well understood in Bombay for that matter. How then would you call that as being integrated into Indian society? If you mean genetically, then they havent.. But in terms of public service,philanthorpy and civic responsibility they can be rated higher than most..
jind Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 Considering that the Parsis fled to India after the Arab Islamic invasions into Persia, they (parsis) would have been speaking Farsi/Parsi when they arrived in India... Today, I suppose the Parsis have lost touch with their old language of Farsi/Parsi (assuming that farsi/parsi was their spoken language)?
Prakat Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 If you mean genetically, then they havent.. But in terms of public service,philanthorpy and civic responsibility they can be rated higher than most.. I mean socially. I don't understand how you can take people participating in the economy as a sign of integration. What choice do they have? Not to get educated and not to get jobs or start businesses? Also, public service, philanthropy and civic sense can't be seen as a function of a whole community. These are high-net worth individuals or trusts who have done this. How can we transfer their actions to the whole community? I'm willing to bet that for every parsi donated square foot there's a gujrati/marwari/punjabi square foot in bombay.
Yoda-esque Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 I mean socially. I don't understand how you can take people participating in the economy as a sign of integration. What choice do they have? Not to get educated and not to get jobs or start businesses? Also, public service, philanthropy and civic sense can't be seen as a function of a whole community. These are high-net worth individuals or trusts who have done this. How can we transfer their actions to the whole community? I'm willing to bet that for every parsi donated square foot there's a gujrati/marwari/punjabi square foot in bombay. I am talking about their general outlook towards society Pravin...probably feel this way since I've had a lot of Parsi neighbors
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