Dhoni vs Bevan

[adi B]

Can't agree : Will list a few occassions : Vs Pakistan in 2006 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/236809.html India were chasing a big total of 289 and bouyed by Tendulkar had reached 189-3 in the 34th over. But Tendulkar and Kaif got out in successive overs and India were reduced to 190-5 by the 36th over, with about a 100 runs to get with Dhoni coming at no.7. Dhoni proceeded to smash Pakistani bowlers and ended up with a matchwinning 76 off 42 odd balls and India cantered home. Vs Sri Lanka at Margao : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267715.html Chasing a tricky total of 230, India were reduced to 90-4 by the 22nd over - with all biggies Saurav, Sachin, Swhag and Yuvraj back in the hut. Dhoni came in at 4 down and combined with Dravid to produce a matchwinning partnership of 134. Dhoni was unbeaten on 67 vs Sri Lanka at Adelaide, 2008 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/291366.html Chasing 240 under the lights, india were in deep trouble at 35-3 in the 12th over. Dhoni came in at 4 down in the 24th over with scorecard reading 99-4. Soon thereafter Yuvraj also departed, and Dhoni combined with the tailenders to finish off things in the last over with 4 balls to spare. Vs Australia in 2009 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416237.html Batting first, India were reduced to 97-3 on a good track by the 16th over. Dhoni then unleashed a monstrous knock of 124 and helped India reach at 354. Vs Australia : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416238.html Chasing 230, India were reduced to 53-3 by the 16th over. Dhoni came in, combined with Yuvi and won the match easily. Dhoni - 71 not out. Vs Bangladesh : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/434260.html Chasing 297, India were 51-3 by the 8th over. Dhoni combined with Kohli and got us across. Dhoni remained unbeaten on 101 Vs Sri Lanka (World Cup Final) - Pressure cooker situation - India struggling at 114-3 in 22nd over chasing 271 - Dhoni delivered the ultimate ODI captain's knock, Vs England in the most recent whitewash : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521218.html India were batting first - reduced to 123-4 by 29th over. Dhoni then combined with the lower and tail enders and propelled India to 300. 87 from just 70 balls. Vs England : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521222.html India batted first, lost wickets regularly - 123-4 by 28th over, 215-7 by 46th over. Dhoni all the while stood firm, and in the last 4 overs unleashed a scathing counter attack, which helped us register 271 after 50 overs. 75 from 69 balls.

pattas :--D

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How many matches did bevan win for Aus when they needed 8-9 runs an over in last 10 overs?

He should have won many.

[saneindian]

He should have won many.

Make some effort to list those matches please.

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Make some effort to list those matches please.

ok will do.

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here are some wins form no hope situations by bevan against quality attacks- benson & Hedges World Series, 1995/96 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65531.html The tournament resumed after Christmas with its most thrilling game yet. With the last man in, Bevan lofted the final ball straight to the boundary to extend Australia's winning streak to four, while West Indies completed their fourth straight defeat. The bowler, Harper, shared a high-five with Bevan; given that he had claimed a catch against him earlier, which the umpires correctly decreed had hit the ground, it was pleasant to see them dispel any tension. Bevan had scored 78 from 89 balls to rescue Australia from 38 for six, and Bobby Simpson, who had witnessed most of his country's 337 one-day internationals as player, commentator or coach, called it the best chasing innings he had seen. Hooper's role was not dissimilar in rallying West Indies from 54 for five. It was Reiffel, however, who took the match award, having helped Bevan to double the score in a critical eighth-wicket stand after bagging four for 29. VB Series, 2001/02 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65624.html Another match won single handedly ICC World Cup - 37th match, Pool A Australia v England http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65531.html VB Series, 2001/02 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65269.html Carlton & United Series, 1996/97 some of the matches he won from no hope situations and there are more look at teh scorecards and bowlers he faced great player. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65552.html

[GautiMaan]

:WTF: And 8-0 Dhoni, shows that Dhoni is KO'ed Bevan and is a better batsman by a mile. :yoyo:

I thought i deleted that post,but u still managed to quote it Its actually 9-0 if ur referring to that list:icflove:

[vvvslaxman]

They were all low scoring run chases.. only one total was above 200 that too only 245.. I know that innings. Good one. But apart from that he never had run rate pressure. He could protect his wicket and run twos and threes. His main scoring area was midwicket boundary. But he definitely failed when he had slighly larger target to chase.. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65574.html Giles bowled the last over with 15 runs to get.. could not hit a single boundary. while Bevan, normally one-day cricket's pin-up, was under fire for not scoring a single four in 45 not out quote from article. Another time Australia needed 10 from last 3 balls.. but he could make only 1 run. Another match against India.. he just could not pace the innings to overhaul the total of 303. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65647.html He had tremendous mental strength despite limitations much like Dhoni. But he did not exactly possess the power hitting ability of Dhoni Bevan has hit total of 21 sixes in 232 ODIs. Dhoni hit 10 sixes in a single match. He has 137 sixes in 206 matches. It is not like Bevan upstaged in fours. Dhoni 517 fours. Bevan 450 fours. Even considering he had to play on bigger grounds you can compare him with Martyn who played less number of games yet had hit 1 moer six than Bevan. Martyn was not exactly an explosive batsman by any stretch of imagination.

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They were all low scoring run chases.. only one total was above 200 that too only 245.. I know that innings. Good one. But apart from that he never had run rate pressure. He could protect his wicket and run twos and threes. His main scoring area was midwicket boundary. But he definitely failed when he had slighly larger target to chase.. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65574.html Giles bowled the last over with 15 runs to get.. could not hit a single boundary. while Bevan, normally one-day cricket's pin-up, was under fire for not scoring a single four in 45 not out quote from article. Another time Australia needed 10 from last 3 balls.. but he could make only 1 run. Another match against India.. he just could not pace the innings to overhaul the total of 303. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65647.html He had tremendous mental strength despite limitations much like Dhoni. But he did not exactly possess the power hitting ability of Dhoni Bevan has hit total of 21 sixes in 232 ODIs. Dhoni hit 10 sixes in a single match. He has 137 sixes in 206 matches. It is not like Bevan upstaged in fours. Dhoni 517 fours. Bevan 450 fours. Even considering he had to play on bigger grounds you can compare him with Martyn who played less number of games yet had hit 1 moer six than Bevan. Martyn was not exactly an explosive batsman by any stretch of imagination.

Dhoni has a habbit of taking the game to last over ,Even games which should have been finished earlier i remember a game where bevan hit a four of last ball to win but cricinfo does not have commentary records of those matches only alamanak report.As i listed bevan has won some great matches with the tail. all we did not have batting powerplay in those days where in the last 5 overs fielders can be in.

[saneindian]

Dhoni has a habbit of taking the game to last over ,Even games which should have been finished earlier i remember a game where bevan hit a four of last ball to win but cricinfo does not have commentary records of those matches only alamanak report.As i listed bevan has won some great matches with the tail. all we did not have batting powerplay in those days where in the last 5 overs fielders can be in.

Check how many games Bevan won while chasing finished in the 50th over.

[vvvslaxman]

Dhoni has a habbit of taking the game to last over ,Even games which should have been finished earlier i remember a game where bevan hit a four of last ball to win but cricinfo does not have commentary records of those matches only alamanak report.As i listed bevan has won some great matches with the tail. all we did not have batting powerplay in those days where in the last 5 overs fielders can be in.

When Dhoni started his career he had the same amount of power play overs as Bevan. It was introduced only few years back. Anyway most of his runs didn't come in power plays. What exactly Bevan did? Did he finish games much earlier? No.. he took his own time. there was one match where he made 30 runs in 90 balls.. that is freaking crazy. As i said mentally very very strong like a typical Australian player. He didn't exactly possess the talent of Gilly, punter, Martyn, Mark waugh etc. But bloody minded. When there is a managable run chase and there are not many wickets left, he could influence his side to few wins. Dhoni could do exactly what Bevan could do. Run like crazy, bat with single minded determination. Bevan was great. No question. Dhoni was Bevan and some more.

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Check how many games Bevan won while chasing finished in the 50th over.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65557.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65552.html this one has,

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When Dhoni started his career he had the same amount of power play overs as Bevan. It was introduced only few years back. Anyway most of his runs didn't come in power plays. What exactly Bevan did? Did he finish games much earlier? No.. he took his own time. there was one match where he made 30 runs in 90 balls.. that is freaking crazy. As i said mentally very very strong like a typical Australian player. He didn't exactly possess the talent of Gilly, punter, Martyn, Mark waugh etc. But bloody minded. When there is a managable run chase and there are not many wickets left, he could influence his side to few wins. Dhoni could do exactly what Bevan could do. Run like crazy, bat with single minded determination. Bevan was great. No question. Dhoni was Bevan and some more.

Dhoni has had the advantage of powerplay overs for 2 or more years now,Bevan has finished more matches in 45-48 overs may be the scores were lower and bowling was better.Dhoni has not been able to do what bevan could in no hope situations batting with tail even when the run chase is managable ,dhoni has failed in those situations .some of bevan innings are extremly hard to match .but dhoni is allround a better odi cricketer as he keeps .

[Sehwag1830]

Dhoni has 15 MOM ,5 MOS in 183 matches. Bevan has 11 MOM, 1 MOS in 203 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=awards_match;template=results;type=allround;view=awards So Dhoni is clearly more influential ODI player than Bevan.

[saneindian]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65557.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65552.html this one has,

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65531.html (43 overs match) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65624.html Basically all the matches you listed finished in the last over of the match. Wuld you say bevan took matches to the last over when they should have been finished much earlier? Maybe good finishers know taking the match to last few overs gives them a good chance of winning it rather than going for glory by 44th-45th over, taking undue risks and not getting closer at all.

[Crookbond]

IDK how does it matter finishing in the last or second last or 10 overs before. In my books, it matters that we should win the game. :dontknow:

[Lord]

Dhoni.

[Sidhoni]

Is there even a need for the poll? Dhoni all the way. Like I mentioned in the other thread, Bevan never had the ability to hit boundaries at will like Dhoni has. Bevan is said to be one of the best finishers but when a team requires about 80-90 off last 10, I doubt if Bevan could have done it.

[deathmonger]

dhoni. and his career isn't over yet. by the time he retire he'll have 10000+ runs.

[zakk]

MSD

[Sachinism]

They were all low scoring run chases.. only one total was above 200 that too only 245.. I know that innings. Good one. But apart from that he never had run rate pressure. He could protect his wicket and run twos and threes. His main scoring area was midwicket boundary. But he definitely failed when he had slighly larger target to chase.. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65574.html Giles bowled the last over with 15 runs to get.. could not hit a single boundary. while Bevan, normally one-day cricket's pin-up, was under fire for not scoring a single four in 45 not out quote from article. Another time Australia needed 10 from last 3 balls.. but he could make only 1 run. Another match against India.. he just could not pace the innings to overhaul the total of 303. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65647.html He had tremendous mental strength despite limitations much like Dhoni. But he did not exactly possess the power hitting ability of Dhoni Bevan has hit total of 21 sixes in 232 ODIs. Dhoni hit 10 sixes in a single match. He has 137 sixes in 206 matches. It is not like Bevan upstaged in fours. Dhoni 517 fours. Bevan 450 fours. Even considering he had to play on bigger grounds you can compare him with Martyn who played less number of games yet had hit 1 moer six than Bevan. Martyn was not exactly an explosive batsman by any stretch of imagination.

I could pick out games where Dhoni, the magnificant hitter could not hit a boundary for love or money. Anyways Dhoni > Bevan