The best against the best - Sachin, Lara, Ponting & Kallis vs best bowling attacks of their time

[Precambrian]

Yes, this is yet another micro analysis of their stats. So you are forewarned. I just wanted to compare the performances of these 4 chaps against the best teams of their generation. Now someone like Sachin has played over probably 2 or 3 generations. Hence I have looked at two blocs - one preceding 2000s and one post it. Best bowling teams in the 80s and 90s: Australia Pakistan South Africa West Indies Best bowling teams since 2000s Australia England South Africa I omitted Sri Lanka because of the fact that they were basically a one-man army and also due to the huge divergence in home and away performances. Let's see the stats: Sachin

[B]1989-1999[/B]
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
S Africa	10	18	609	 33.83 	 1.17 	 39.61 
Australia	11	20	1053	 58.50 	 1.13 	 66.11 
Pakistan	7	12	395	 32.91 	 1.09 	 35.73 
Windies		8	12	691	 62.81 	 1.08 	 67.66 
[B]Total		36	62	2748	 46.58 	 1.12 	 52.14[/B]

[B]2000s since	[/B]					
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
Australia	24	47	2385	 56.78 	 1.16 	 66.14 
S Africa	15	27	1132	 49.21 	 1.09 	 53.68 
England		23	39	1560	 42.16 	 1.04 	 43.72 
[B]Total		62	113	5077	 49.77 	 1.11 	 55.21 [/B]
						
[B]Overall		98	175	7825	 48.60 	 1.11 	 54.08 [/B]

Lara

[B]1990-1999[/B]
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
S Africa	6	12	391	 32.58 	 1.17 	 38.17 
Australia	18	32	1616	 53.86 	 1.13 	 60.87 
Pakistan	7	13	394	 30.30 	 1.09 	 32.92 
[B]Total		31	57	2401	 43.65 	 1.13 	 49.31 [/B]

[B]2000s since	[/B]	
						
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
Australia	13	26	1240	 47.69 	 1.16 	 55.54 
S Africa	12	23	1324	 57.56 	 1.09 	 62.78 
England		13	24	1003	 43.60 	 1.04 	 45.22 
[B]Total		38	73	3567	 49.54 	 1.10 	 54.56 [/B]
						
[B]Overall		69	130	5968	 46.99 	 1.11 	 52.28[/B] 

[Precambrian]

Ponting

[B]1990s[/B]
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
South Africa	3	5	248	 49.60 	 1.17 	 58.00 
Pakistan	4	6	316	 63.20 	 1.09 	 68.60 
West Indies	4	8	278	 39.71 	 1.08 	 42.71 
[B]Total		11	19	842	 49.53 	 1.11 	 54.82 [/B]

[B]2000s since	[/B]					
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
South Africa	23	43	1884	 47.10 	 1.09 	 51.38 
England		29	49	2188	 46.55 	 1.04 	 48.28 
[B]Total		52	92	4072	 46.80 	 1.06 	 49.70 [/B]
						
[B]Overall		63	111	4914	 47.25 	 1.07 	 50.54[/B] 

Kallis

[B]1990s[/B]

Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
Australia	6	11	256	 23.27 	 1.13 	 26.27 
Pakistan	4	6	220	 36.66 	 1.09 	 39.83 
West Indies	5	10	485	 69.28 	 1.08 	 74.57 
[B]Total		15	27	961	 40.04 	 1.09 	 43.75 [/B]

[B]2000s			[/B]			
Opposition	Matches	Innings	Runs	Average	Coeff	Adjusted avg
Australia	23	44	1805	 46.28 	 1.16 	 53.92 
England		21	37	1672	 47.77 	 1.04 	 49.54 
[B]Total		44	81	3477	 46.99 	 1.10 	 51.85 [/B]
						
[B]Overall		59	108	4438	 45.29 	 1.10 	 49.87[/B] 

[Precambrian]

Now just to clarify : Coefficient is a measure of how good the bowling attack was. It is a simple calculation. The world bowling average of the respective periods divided by the bowling average of the individual opposition. Eg - South Africa's bowling average during the 1990s were 27.02. The overall bowling average during the same decade was 31.64. Hence SA's bowling coefficient = 31.64/27.02 = 1.17.

[Precambrian]

I must say I was surprised and was not really expecting Tendulkar to be better than Lara. While people talk about how good was Lara against Australia etc, his rather poor record against South Africa and Pakistan, especially in the 1990s goes literally unnoticed. Also interesting is his figures against England in the 2000s, despite that 400*, he made just 1003 runs at 43 against them. I think this is pretty much in alignment with what I thought it was, Sachin > Lara > Ponting > Kallis.

[rkt.india]

SRT is the best batsman of his generation, no doubt about that. Stats just show numbers but his greatness is beyond numbers. :bow:

[Number]

Lara = Sachin.

[Precambrian]

Lara = Sachin.

Nope, Sachin achieved a better avg than Lara and that too over a much longer period of time.

[SLICKR392]

Nope' date=' Sachin achieved a better avg than Lara and that too over a much longer period of time.[/quote'] Then why is Ponting here and not Dravid?

[Precambrian]

Then why is Ponting here and not Dravid?

Dravid's numbers against the best opposition of his era is remarkably lower than that of Ponting's. That is why.

[SLICKR392]

Dravid's numbers against the best opposition of his era is remarkably lower than that of Ponting's. That is why.

What about Kallis over Ponting and Lara? He is far better than both not just in the terms of batting but also his bowling.

[Precambrian]

What about Kallis over Ponting and Lara? He is far better than both not just in the terms of batting but also his bowling.

Have not considered Kallis' bowling as this pertains to analysis of their batting alone. Kallis' bowling is way way way overrated tbh.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

:hatsoff: Wonderfully done..

[panther]

Inzamam has to be up there?

[Sachin=GOD]

Inzamam has to be up there?

this is an analysis of the best batsmen not the fattest batsmen.

[panther]

Filter there averages with wasim, waqar, mcgrath, warne, donald, pollock etc in the team.

[panther]

this is an analysis of the best batsmen not the fattest batsmen.

For every pound inzi lost=1 less run out in his career, therefore increasing his average by 10 in both formats.

[SLICKR392]

Have not considered Kallis' bowling as this pertains to analysis of their batting alone. Kallis' bowling is way way way overrated tbh.

He rightly deserves all the praise for his bowling. He is a batting all rounder. Batting avg. of 56+ and a bowling avg. of 32 is more than ordinary & he rarely gets injured. He is right on top, over everyone else IMO. Awesome thread btw :nice:

[SLICKR392]

Inzamam has to be up there?

Are you serious? YK deserves to be given more credits than Inzi. But none would make it to the list.

[panther]

Are you serious? YK deserves to be given more credits than Inzi. But none would make it to the list.

quality of runs>>>>>>>>quantity of runs

[Lord]

quality of runs>>>>>>>>quantity of runs

by 'quality of runs' do u mean runs scored in SA and Australia