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Here is the thing... lot of people are arguing that these Godmen and Politicians are wrong in saying what they are saying.. I agree.. But one gotta understand that just 10 years ago, India and Indians were lot conservative.. Just in these last 10 years, PART of India jumped 20-25 years of progress/modernity. These Gurus and Politicians are still living in 70s-80s world and their views are from that era. If you ask your grandpa or grandma.. they will say the same thing.. If a girl in early 20s go out the door in mini skirt just see what her grandpa/grandma say to her. Why would they say no cuz they fear for the worst.. In other words, they mean that these clothing style will attract wrong-do'ers. Dont jump on me for saying this.. but I understand why so many people are saying 'skirt' is the problem. Couple of years back I said India is dividing into two.. one with 'India rising' and another with 'Old India'.. and these two India will collide again n again.

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^100% agree with u mate. Also those who come from villages still believes that a girl who s dressed in t shirt and jeans are wooing men and asking for trouble.

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Media helping Govt replace gangrape reality with mythology The case against Zee News for airing interview of her friend is proof that it is no longer about protecting the victim's identify. It is about obliterating her memory
It's a very thin line between the sacred and the profane. Even those in elementary classes in journalism schools are taught without demur that the basic job of a reporter is not to hide facts but to reveal them in all detail. Even if it means going on the wrong side of the law, journalists would be failing in their sacred duty if they conceal facts that reveal the truth. But the media coverage of the ghastly Delhi gangrape has turned out to be a case of the sacred getting mixed up with the profane. The manner in which the mainstream media acted in cahoots with the government and the Delhi police would serve as a perfect example of a remark often attributed to Indira Gandhi about the conduct of the media during the emergency, "They were asked to bend but they started crawling." The Delhi police, whose dubious conduct in the whole affair is not a secret, went overboard to protect the identity of the rape victim and zealously guarded the truth from coming out on the pretext of a law which prohibits revelation of identity in the larger interest of the victim. There is no doubt that the decree to protect the rape victim's identity is guided by a pernicious social mind-set which attaches blemish to the victim rather than the perpetrators of the crime. This rape-cum-murder case was different in many aspects. The extent of bestiality involved was beyond human imagination. At the same time, it exposed the abysmal failure of a contract of the state with the citizenry at every step of our routine life. For instance, the victim and her friend could not get safe public transport after waiting for hours. Three-wheelers refused to take them to the desired destination despite an undertaking by them that they would not refuse passengers. That the chartered bus bearing the name "Yadav" was allowed to ply on Delhi roads for hours in the night without valid papers is a testimony to a criminal nexus between the police and transporters. That the transport department of the Delhi government has been a den of criminal-transporter-authority nexus and a source of ill-gotten wealth is hardly a secret. The rape victimÃÔ trust in the state was completely betrayed even in the hospital where she was subjected to ordeals of inquisition at the first instance instead of getting medical aid. This was not a fictionalised Bollywood story of a "Nirbhaya or a Å¥amini" who either found a saviour in a celluloid hero or put up a fight of mythological proportions. She was violated and bruatalised. Her "hero" was beaten to pulp. And then they were betrayed at every step by a collusive state which professes to protect its citizenry. Her desire to protect her identity was only guided by her instinct to survive. But she wanted to speak of every minute of her ordeal to give a perfect narrative of her betrayal by the state, society and the elite. That was why she asked for burning her tormentors alive in punishment. No, this was not a Bollywood movie, but that is exactly what the media has made it out be. Perhaps every minute of the lives of the victim and her friend since December 16 would confirm the state's role as a criminal enterprise. And erasing the memory of the girl and her friend became the stateÃÔ first priority. Curiously enough, the mainstream media actively colluded with the state in this endeavour and blacked out the coverage of the funeral of the unfortunate victim whose only fault was her gullibility in reposing unflinching faith in the institutions of society and the state. On the other hand, the state, rattled by the outpouring of people's anger, took the shield of law and morality to prevent skeletons tumbling out of its cupboard. In fact, the fierceness with which the Delhi police have been trying to guard the identity of the victim and her friend is no match for its efficiency in tackling the crime. That is why the Delhi police are so shaken by the Zee News interview with the victim's friend (aired on Friday night). The friendÃÔ narrative of the events on that dark night was in stark contrast to the myths woven around the victim by the state and a pliant media. The state's hideous face was exposed and its efforts to keep the ghastly incident "faceless" blown to bits. The cases filed against newspapers and journalists for revealing the true story is a panic reaction of the state whose project to efface the memory of the Delhi rape victim and replace it with a convenient mythical narrative through mainstream outlets was suddenly grounded. (Why is there no outrage at this sordid intimidation of the media?) One simple question, "whose interest does it serve to hide her identity even after her death?" is not being asked by any media outlet. The rape victimÃÔ name and identity are known in her home town in Ballia and entire eastern UP. In Delhi, everybody who matters to the family knows the identity and there is no indication that the family is facing any trouble because of that. The family itself has said that they are not scared of revealing their identity or ashamed of living on as the family of a rape victim. It is only the state and a section of the mainstream media which are keen on perpetuating the myths to obliterate the reality.
http://governancenow.com/news/regular-story/media-helping-govt-replace-gangrape-reality-mythology
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Here is the thing... lot of people are arguing that these Godmen and Politicians are wrong in saying what they are saying.. I agree.. But one gotta understand that just 10 years ago, India and Indians were lot conservative.. Just in these last 10 years, PART of India jumped 20-25 years of progress/modernity. These Gurus and Politicians are still living in 70s-80s world and their views are from that era. If you ask your grandpa or grandma.. they will say the same thing.. If a girl in early 20s go out the door in mini skirt just see what her grandpa/grandma say to her. Why would they say no cuz they fear for the worst.. In other words, they mean that these clothing style will attract wrong-do'ers. Dont jump on me for saying this.. but I understand why so many people are saying 'skirt' is the problem. Couple of years back I said India is dividing into two.. one with 'India rising' and another with 'Old India'.. and these two India will collide again n again.
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But the thing is that no one wants to get involved in the mess, and then get troubled by police and also attend court hearings for 20 years. This became a high profile case, so if somebody had helped he would have been a hero, but it wasn't known at time to those guys helping. Let's say it wasn't such a known case and they helped these guys, then there was a good chance that police would have hassled them even. There was a story of a guy who had helped a accident victim, but then had to bribe police 2000 rs because apparently they were hassling him as a witness instead. Sometimes you help a person as a amateur, then you won't be able to help them properly in terms of first aid and other things. Police will go and hassle you for that, and try and get money out. Then if you pick these guys up ? Where'd you take them ? To the nearest private hospital then who'll pay ? To which government hospital that would be operative at the time ? How is someone supposed to know ? And then if in finding the right hospital something bad happens to the victim, then police will hassle you too ? I agree, that someone should have given them clothes atleast, but it's not as simplistic as everyone needs to look within etc.. There are bloody systematic flaws everywhere. In Australia you'll be a hero for helping someone out, police will probably reward you and then the court case will finish in 3/4 months where you'll be called in as a witness once/twice. Here on the other hand........
Very fair points. Also, with one retard after another running their mouth, they in a sense, give the rapists the stamp of approval to carry out their heinous crimes.
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Here is the thing... lot of people are arguing that these Godmen and Politicians are wrong in saying what they are saying.. I agree.. But one gotta understand that just 10 years ago, India and Indians were lot conservative.. Just in these last 10 years, PART of India jumped 20-25 years of progress/modernity. These Gurus and Politicians are still living in 70s-80s world and their views are from that era. If you ask your grandpa or grandma.. they will say the same thing.. If a girl in early 20s go out the door in mini skirt just see what her grandpa/grandma say to her. Why would they say no cuz they fear for the worst.. In other words, they mean that these clothing style will attract wrong-do'ers. Dont jump on me for saying this.. but I understand why so many people are saying 'skirt' is the problem. Couple of years back I said India is dividing into two.. one with 'India rising' and another with 'Old India'.. and these two India will collide again n again.
Wow, and I thought conservatives in the US were backwards. No offense but that is some ridiculous thinking.
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Wow' date=' and I thought conservatives in the US were backwards. No offense but that is some ridiculous thinking.[/quote'] God.. Another literate who can't read.
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Seems like you are confused' date=' I wasn't talking about you.[/quote'] Apologies then. Are you not Indian or not aware of Indian culture?
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I also blame OLDER women in the family for this.... especially naani, chaachi, mausi types who instead of telling their sons to respect women, force the young girls to take a step back by taking all these preventive measures.

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I also blame OLDER women in the family for this.... especially naani' date=' chaachi, mausi types who instead of telling their sons to respect women, force the young girls to take a step back by taking all these preventive measures.[/quote'] Men respect women when they are dressed properly. U can't imagine Bharat maa in Jeans and T shirt, can u?
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