Mariyam Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Out of 3-4 lakhs Panchayats in India how many issue death punishments? Those may be extreme cases and should be stopped but my point is that as long Panchayats are socially accepted by villagers they can't be stopped. I am *not* against the panchayati system as such. If carried out the way it was envisioned, it could be a panacea to many social ills. However, what is happening is that the Panchayats/khaps are acting unilaterally on issues which are outside their jurisdiction. The beheading case is an extreme, I agree. But how does it reach that stage? It is because for decades, the governments have let Panchayats rule with a free handan iron fist. If the panchayat sarpanchs were confronted the time they first made any extra judicial rulings, they wouldn't be passing diktaats on what others can wear, who they can marry and who they should execute today. The Supreme Court has finally taken cognizance of the extent of malpractices by some of the Panchayats, and has decleared that Panchayats'/Khaps' dress code/ cell phone bans are illegal.
Tiger80 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Posted January 15, 2013 I am *not* against the panchayati system as such. If carried out the way it was envisioned, it could be a panacea to many social ills. However, what is happening is that the Panchayats/khaps are acting unilaterally on issues which are outside their jurisdiction. The beheading case is an extreme, I agree. But how does it reach that stage? It is because for decades, the governments have let Panchayats rule with a free handan iron fist. If the panchayat sarpanchs were confronted the time they first made any extra judicial rulings, they wouldn't be passing diktaats on what others can wear, who they can marry and who they should execute today. The Supreme Court has finally taken cognizance of the extent of malpractices by some of the Panchayats, and has decleared that Panchayats'/Khaps' dress code/ cell phone bans are illegal. There is a reason behind Govt allowed Panchayats to deal with free hand and that is India is such a big country with limited resources that Govt always has to set priorities.every other day we hear news of voilence, so Govt always has more important issue's.Also not to forgot that we are democracy and in democracy it is what the majority wants.interfering in the affairs of Panchayats could be death blow for politician and govt.so diktats on dress code or marriage is always going to minor issue for govt Execution is another story and Govt will always interfere if they are carried out Years ago I was watching a debate on TV ,whether to impose income tax on agriculture or not and an ex IT officer said. "Gaanv mein aap tax kaise lagayenge , wahan inspector jaayega to uski pitayi ho jaayegi" , now if the views of ex IT officer is like this and govt officials are even afraid to enter villages then one can understand how much they are cut of from India. The only solution to this problem is social interacting.Urban folks especially students should go to villages tell them about women empowerment ,show them that women too could contribute to their village economy then they might start changing their views.
Muloghonto Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 If the underage kids interact freely and elope' date=' would u feed them?[/quote'] Ofcourse i would. Why wouldn't you ? They are kids, they are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them (or not, its their choice) or do what they really want to do. If its elope, so be it, if its sex, so be it too. I see no problems with that and i havn't stopped my son or daughter from having interactions with the opposite sex and even though they are not in puberty yet, i won't stop them either. The important thing is, to realize that you, as a parent, are here to guide them but let them make their own decisions, they deserve to live on their terms, not on yours. Most Indian/Asian parents are way too controlling of their children anyways and IMO, that needs to stop. Besides, there is no earthshattering unnaturality or crime in hormone driven kids experimenting, so long as they are taught the consequences of it and responsible towards it (ie, for eg, use a condom) for me to consider any serious 'repurcussions' for having sex. They are having sex, not killing people.
Crookbond Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Ofcourse i would. Why wouldn't you ? They are kids, they are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them (or not, its their choice) or do what they really want to do. If its elope, so be it, if its sex, so be it too. I see no problems with that and i havn't stopped my son or daughter from having interactions with the opposite sex and even though they are not in puberty yet, i won't stop them either. The important thing is, to realize that you, as a parent, are here to guide them but let them make their own decisions, they deserve to live on their terms, not on yours. Most Indian/Asian parents are way too controlling of their children anyways and IMO, that needs to stop. Besides, there is no earthshattering unnaturality or crime in hormone driven kids experimenting, so long as they are taught the consequences of it and responsible towards it (ie, for eg, use a condom) for me to consider any serious 'repurcussions' for having sex. They are having sex, not killing people. If Only ... :hatsoff:
Dumbbells Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Ofcourse i would. Why wouldn't you ? They are kids, they are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them (or not, its their choice) or do what they really want to do. If its elope, so be it, if its sex, so be it too. I see no problems with that and i havn't stopped my son or daughter from having interactions with the opposite sex and even though they are not in puberty yet, i won't stop them either. The important thing is, to realize that you, as a parent, are here to guide them but let them make their own decisions, they deserve to live on their terms, not on yours. Most Indian/Asian parents are way too controlling of their children anyways and IMO, that needs to stop. Besides, there is no earthshattering unnaturality or crime in hormone driven kids experimenting, so long as they are taught the consequences of it and responsible towards it (ie, for eg, use a condom) for me to consider any serious 'repurcussions' for having sex. They are having sex, not killing people. ok, y don't u advertise ur number and post ur contacts so that the eloping kids would contact u and get free food? I am talking abt the underage kids eloping. Most of them fail in their lives and the girl is the one who suffers the most in these cases. u can pardon and feed them only if you could find them.
Dumbbells Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 U people don't understand that even in cities many parents would allow or give their kids a cellphone when they are matured. If they do the same in villages, all the internet warriors would scream as if there is great discrimination happening to girls in villages....
Muloghonto Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 ok' date=' y don't u advertise ur number and post ur contacts so that the eloping kids would contact u and get free food? I am talking abt the underage kids eloping. Most of them fail in their lives and the girl is the one who suffers the most in these cases. u can pardon and feed them only if you could find them.[/quote'] I see, i misunderstoood then. Obviously, a young & emerging individual runs a very strong risk of wasted and fruitless lives if they run away from home. That much, is a given. However, they can run away for multiple reasons- abusive parents for example. Elopement is only one aspect of it, but it is predominantly driven by the controlling nature of Indian parents in general and the great taboo towards exploring ones' sexuality. That is why kids elope, because their parents, in the Indian conservative and poorly reasoned ideology, would bring down hell on them if they find out they are having sex. Western world does not really have much problem with elopement because we tend to be far more tolerant of our kids' sexuality and try to guide them through the experience instead of encouraging elopement and distance from the parents by making the subject- its discussion or practice- a total taboo. This is an assinine approach IMO, because pretty much the most life-altering thing a human being goes through is puberty and for the vast majority, raging hormones is the biological consequence of it. By treating it as a taboo subject, Indian parents end up alienating their kids fundamentally, at a time in their lives they are most confused and need a tolerant shoulder.
Muloghonto Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 U people don't understand that even in cities many parents would allow or give their kids a cellphone when they are matured. If they do the same in villages, all the internet warriors would scream as if there is great discrimination happening to girls in villages.... Conservative, controlling idiots exist everywhere but such mentality tends to magnify manyfolds in rural setting than in urban setting, predominantly because, in rural areas its far easier to control one's (and by logical extension, others) ability to access human interactions, than it is in cities. For eg,In your village, all it takes is boycotting a handful of boys and their families to control the sexuality of your hot daughter, in cities its almost pointless. As such, it is not just an india-only thing that conservative, controlling & blinkered idiots are far more prevalent and common in village settings than in cities. That does not mean that cities don't have its share either.
Mariyam Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Its not that women go out for a job in villages. Men do. Wrong. According to the 2001 census, women account for around 25% of the work participation rate* of the country. The rate in urban areas is 11.88% while those in rural areas is ~31%. Almost 73% of the woman work force of India is employed in agriculture. Difficult to do that without going out of their homes, one would think. http://labour.nic.in/content/division/women-labour.php Page 2-9 of this pdf might make things clear http://nipccd.nic.in/reports/ehndbk10.pdf (*)Work participation rate is defined as the proportion of women working to total women.
Clarke Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 U people don't understand that even in cities many parents would allow or give their kids a cellphone when they are matured. If they do the same in villages, all the internet warriors would scream as if there is great discrimination happening to girls in villages.... Do you understand the difference between strict parenting in an urban environment and the city mayor banning cellphones for girls :wall:
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