Manny_Pacquiao Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I wonder if he cut a deal with the Feds before coming out. Who knows? I wonder what the financial ramifications are - people/sponsors are going to sue his cheating ****. he can't cut a deal with anyone. he can't be held on any criminal charges based on anything he has revealed thus far. thats why the whole oprah interview was a complete sham - the guy didn't say anything that could incriminate him, he held off on all the details, names and it became a typical oprah-style touchy-feely bullshit interview with nothing remotely new. getting busted for lying under oath was a possibility but the statute of limitations on that has expired. he will probably end up in a court and be forced to spill his guts out. the problem for him is that he is STILL lying. he lied to oprah about his comeback, claiming that he raced 'clean' as a promise to his wife. that is nonsense, because the USADA report states otherwise. the guy was a dope cheat on his comeback as well. he can't deny it for long though. let's see where this goes. he has already lost millions after sponsors pulled the plug, then you have a ton of pending settlements. his foundation will abandon him, can't make any more money off the wristbands (i actually wear one, LOL). the guy won't have a tin can to **** in once this is over. personally, his financial well-being isn't the issue, i just want to see him kicked out of sport forever. the guy still has ambitions of being a competitive athlete after serving his sentence (triathlons and that sort of thing). i hope justice denies him that opportunity, so he is forced to live out the rest of his life sitting on the couch thinking about all the people he ****ed over. having your livelihood taken away from you is a bigger punishment than any financial loss, and thats what he deserves. btw, this whole incident, along with the manti t'eo thing makes american sports media look like complete ****. ESPN, CBS, SI and all these media houses got played like pianos by these scumbag athletes. no background checks, no investigation, they just lapped up whatever they heard. it really casts a shadow on the profession of sports journalism.
akshayxyz Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 No - you are not. It's a sad state of the justice system. That said' date=' it is important not to go harsh on Lance because of AaronSw. Both cases show the disparity of the justice system but it does not mean we balance out AaronSw injustice by being harsh on Lance. The DOJ is considering a lawsuit but I am not of the opinion Armstrong should serve time in jail.[/quote'] You read him wrong. CI is suggesting, both broke rules. Lance is being vilified, while AronSw being deified. Ab kya bolega balak?
akshayxyz Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 The defining moment of Lance's interview with Oprah yesterday was when he said in response to a comment that 'We have sued so many people' date= I cannot keep track anymore..' So lets get this straight - He doped. People who saw that first hand and came out and said so. What was his response? Persecute them legally and thru the court of public opinion. Deeply unpleasant individual, deserves ZERO sympathy/respect. That is when I stopped supporting this line of thought -- "So what! he still won by beating the system/other-cheaters, came back from cancer.. inspired many others.. etc."
Ram Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 That is when I stopped supporting this line of thought -- "So what! he still won by beating the system/other-cheaters' date=' came back from cancer.. inspired many others.. etc."[/quote'] In my view, the actual act of doping is a very small part of the story. It did not need a televised confession from Lance for us to know whether he was doping or not. Everyone knows all the top athletes in the sport in his generation did it. It was probably the worst kept secret in the world.
King Tendulkar Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 That tells me he did not beat the system. He got caught' date=' exposed, and finally confessed. Was that not because of the system?[/quote'] The cycling fedeartion did all it could to cover it up and help Lance cheat. System did not catch him. Just constant media pressure with confession after confessions from his fellow cyclists or people assicated with him. Lance was a nasty cheat as well. Bully. Called horrible names to 2 women who revealed all on his cheating. His former masseaur was repatedlty called a wh@re and bit'ch etc etc in his suck denials. The guys was very nasty and deserves zero respect or praise
Crookbond Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 You read him wrong. CI is suggesting, both broke rules. Lance is being vilified, while AronSw being deified. Ab kya bolega balak? It takes quite some imagination to equate AaronSw with Armstrong!
Crookbond Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 The defining moment of Lance's interview with Oprah yesterday was when he said in response to a comment that 'We have sued so many people' date= I cannot keep track anymore..' So lets get this straight - He doped. People who saw that first hand and came out and said so. What was his response? Persecute them legally and thru the court of public opinion. Deeply unpleasant individual, deserves ZERO sympathy/respect. Hit the nail on the head my friend!
Muloghonto Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Lance should go to jail but he is not going to, because he is not a dumbass to confess to Oprah before cutting a deal with the Feds or more likely, waiting for the statute of limitations to expire on his perjury. Thing is, Lance is not only a nasty individual, he lied under oath to the US government. Perjury in US court/congressional hearing = automatic 7 year jail term. However, it also comes with a statute of limitations on it and i wouldn't be surprised if Lance's admissions came after the statute expired. As such, he most likely wont go to jail but will be taken to the cleaners by all his former sponsors and victims ( the ones who accused him of cheating, got taken to court and forced to withdraw case or left penniless) and i hope this guy ends up homeless and on the streets. Its not his doping that offends me the most, its the fact that he targetted anyone who accused him of doping and took them to court, left them broke and penniless, etc. that offends me the most. At the very least, Mark McGwire, Ben Johnson & Marion Jones, etc. didn't victimise the people for telling the truth, they just smiled and put on the 'nutters and haters will make up stories' excuse.
akshayxyz Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 It takes quite some imagination to equate AaronSw with Armstrong! This time, replying to the wrong guy. Besides, that still does not answer the technical question posed by CI - about "breaking rules".
Ram Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 The other, more important yet sparsely noticed aspect of all of this saga seems to be the unbelievably impotent drug-testing and anti-doping regimen that seemed to be in place in professional sports, at least until very recently. When Oprah asked Armstrong if he knew he was taking a risk doping before all those professional events, his answer was a very immediate and confident 'No'. How bad are the world bodies policing professional sports, for athletes to casually run comprehensive, world-wide illegal drug racket and yet not get caught a single time? Armstrong's already said pretty much every cyclist from his generation doped. Its now becoming widely known that all the so-called baseball legends doped like they drank their morning coffee. US athletics is already in ruins with several drug scandals. Is there any professional sports in the United states that is even remotely clean? And its also incredible to think that for nearly 15 years, Armstrong was this demi-god, glorified and deified in the public eye for being their relentless fighter who fought cancer at the gates of death and yet came back to win the most physically arduous competition in the world 7 times in a row. The media played it up, Nike milked that cow for as long as they could. Its hard to think all these people are so gullible that they didnt know what was going on behind the scenes. Clearly, they knew. The only logical conclusion is - They didnt care. As long as they can sell ad spots on their news broadcasts and have half-dreamy teenagers buy their shoes, it does not matter what the real truth is. Same with Tiger Woods as well.
Crookbond Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 This time' date=' replying to the wrong guy. Besides, that still does not answer the [i']technical question posed by CI - about "breaking rules". You quoted, so I replied. I probably should have muti-quoted his post as well! As far as "breaking rules" go, you can't compare one case to the other. Besides, Lance Armstong did a lot more than just "break law" and used it for personal profits. Also, it is not always necessary that the "rule" broken is indeed correct which applies in the case of AaronSw but not Armstrong.
KhanSaab Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 I volunteer as a soccer coach for kids and most of them wear those livestrong bracelets supporting him/ his foundation. Interested to see what they do with them this coming fall season.
Crookbond Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Is that true? Most or everyone did? :omg: Then why is only L.A. being stripped off the medals? What about the others? http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/the-harder-they-fall/article4035462.ece Just read this and thought it makes an appropriate share here. http://www.quora.com/Tour-de-France/Why-has-no-one-been-appointed-the-winner-of-Armstrongs-7-tours/answer/Shannon-Sofield 1999 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO) 3. Fernando EscartÃn (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04) 4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO) 5. Ãngel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 2000 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO) 5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO) 2001 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 4. Andrey Kivilev 5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 2002 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 3. Raimondas RumÅ¡as (Suspended in ‘03 for doping) 4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 2003 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA) 4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping) 5. Haimar Zubeldia 2004 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08) 3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties) 4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 2005 1. Lance Armstrong 2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties) 3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto) 5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA
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