Please keep Jadeja away from TEST team!

[Crookbond]

People keep on saying Ojha bowled well, bowled well but at what cost? He has an Strike Rate of 70.7 in 20 Test matches. Ishant Sharma has a strike rate of 68.9 and Ashwin has a SR of 57.8 to put things in context. Ojha's bowling figures 4 wickets or more No code has to be inserted here. Twice against West Indies and once against England has Ojha taken wickets and gone under a 100 runs. Compare this to R Ashwin and you would know what I'm talking about. R Ashwn 4 wickets or more in a Test match innings No code has to be inserted here. Ashwin has 6 such innings list. Bottom line - Ojha is a work horse and at best a supporting spinner. Just because he takes wickets does not mean he's the strike bowler. Our strike bowler is R Ashwin for all money. Ojha may or may not be better than Harbhajan but he has to improve his SR to be called a better option than Harbhajan or Jadeja. ATM, he's just side kick - just because he has a wonderful action, flight etc. do not translate to being a good bowler. All these are just traits - after a while you have to pick wickets (at a decent cost) to justify your place in the team. As it has proven today, Ojha and Harbhajan would have been the same on this wicket - hardly any difference between the two, IMO.

[adi B]

I'm talking of flat wicket performances.when did Ojha do well on such wickets?as a package Jaddu offers more which is important in adverse conditions. people are predicting Jaddu's performances in SA on zero tests,so dont worry about me going on 3-4 tests?:--D

vs lanka at kanpur for the start.fact is neither will play outside sc ahead of sc,we`ll play 3 pacers but if i have to chose another spinner it would be ojha

[Lord]

vs lanka at kanpur for the start.fact is neither will play outside sc ahead of sc' date='we`ll play 3 pacers but if i have to chose another spinner it would be ojha[/quote'] his debut game?took 4 wickets combined in both innings,including Murali twice n Welegedara once.That too defending a huge score. agree that Ashwin will play.just that for 2nd spinner it isnt black n white imo

[FreakazoiD]

vs lanka at kanpur for the start.fact is neither will play outside sc ahead of sc' date='we`ll play 3 pacers but if i have to chose another spinner it would be ojha[/quote'] Based on recent performances I won't be surprised if Dhoni plays Jaddu ahead of Ashwin in SA. Even more so if he gets a 40 or 50 in one of the remaining tests.

[adi B]

People keep on saying Ojha bowled well, bowled well but at what cost? He has an Strike Rate of 70.7 in 20 Test matches. Ishant Sharma has a strike rate of 68.9 and Ashwin has a SR of 57.8 to put things in context. Ojha's bowling figures 4 wickets or more No code has to be inserted here. Twice against West Indies and once against England has Ojha taken wickets and gone under a 100 runs. Compare this to R Ashwin and you would know what I'm talking about. R Ashwn 4 wickets or more in a Test match innings No code has to be inserted here. Ashwin has 6 such innings list. Bottom line - Ojha is a work horse and at best a supporting spinner. Just because he takes wickets does not mean he's the strike bowler. Our strike bowler is R Ashwin for all money. Ojha may or may not be better than Harbhajan but he has to improve his SR to be called a better option than Harbhajan or Jadeja. ATM, he's just side kick - just because he has a wonderful action, flight etc. do not translate to being a good bowler. All these are just traits - after a while you have to pick wickets (at a decent cost) to justify your place in the team. As it has proven today, Ojha and Harbhajan would have been the same on this wicket - hardly any difference between the two, IMO.

ahmedabad,colombo,kolkata were all superflat tracks..he still did well on those tracks ,so lord here is you`re answer mate

[Lord]

Based on recent performances I won't be surprised if Dhoni plays Jaddu ahead of Ashwin in SA. Even more so if he gets a 40 or 50 in one of the remaining tests.

nah,Ashwin is our main bowler n bats well so hes a certain

[FreakazoiD]

nah' date='Ashwin is our main bowler n bats well so hes a certain[/quote'] You're probably right. I think we will play 4 bowlers + Ishant.

[Crookbond]

ahmedabad' date='colombo,kolkata were all superflat tracks..he still did well on those tracks ,so lord here is you`re answer mate[/quote'] Did you read what I said? You keep on picking 5 wickets for 150 runs - it's of no good. Even if the rest 3 bowlers combine to give you 200 runs for another 5 wickets the opposition has scored 350 on the board.

[Lord]

ahmedabad' date='colombo,kolkata were all superflat tracks..he still did well on those tracks ,so lord here is you`re answer mate[/quote'] All 3 were dry wicket assisting spin.not turners but not pattas either.

[Lord]

You're probably right. I think we will play 4 bowlers + Ishant.

:giggle:

[Trichromatic]

People keep on saying Ojha bowled well, bowled well but at what cost? He has an Strike Rate of 70.7 in 20 Test matches. Ishant Sharma has a strike rate of 68.9 and Ashwin has a SR of 57.8 to put things in context. Ojha's bowling figures 4 wickets or more No code has to be inserted here. Twice against West Indies and once against England has Ojha taken wickets and gone under a 100 runs. Compare this to R Ashwin and you would know what I'm talking about. R Ashwn 4 wickets or more in a Test match innings No code has to be inserted here. Ashwin has 6 such innings list. Bottom line - Ojha is a work horse and at best a supporting spinner. Just because he takes wickets does not mean he's the strike bowler. Our strike bowler is R Ashwin for all money. Ojha may or may not be better than Harbhajan but he has to improve his SR to be called a better option than Harbhajan or Jadeja. ATM, he's just side kick - just because he has a wonderful action, flight etc. do not translate to being a good bowler. All these are just traits - after a while you have to pick wickets (at a decent cost) to justify your place in the team. As it has proven today, Ojha and Harbhajan would have been the same on this wicket - hardly any difference between the two, IMO.

[table=head]Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Ave Econ SR 5 10 Opposition Start Date 1 2 75 26 141 1 141 1.88 450 0 0 v England 13-Dec-12 2 4 133 39 293 6 48.83 2.2 133 0 0 v England 5-Dec-12 3 6 177 45 452 11 41.09 2.55 96.5 1 0 v England 23-Nov-12 4 8 254.2 69 617 20 30.85 2.42 76.3 2 0 v England 15-Nov-12 5 10 303.3 85 765 27 28.33 2.52 67.4 3 0 v New Zealand 31-Aug-12 6 12 352.3 100 857 33 25.96 2.43 64 3 0 v New Zealand 23-Aug-12 7 14 427.3 115 1030 40 25.75 2.4 64.1 4 0 v West Indies 22-Nov-11 8 16 481.3 125 1198 46 26.04 2.48 62.8 4 0 v West Indies 14-Nov-11 9 18 529.5 138 1307 53 24.66 2.46 59.9 5 0 v West Indies 6-Nov-11 [/table] 9 matches with Ashwin since WI series - 53 wickets at avg of 24 and SR of 60

[adi B]

Did you read what I said? You keep on picking 5 wickets for 150 runs - it's of no good. Even if the rest 3 bowlers combine to give you 200 runs for another 5 wickets the opposition has scored 350 on the board.

i said those figures are decent on pattas..surely jadeja wont set the world on fire on pattas..ashwin was superflop when he faced a good side in england,that said all 3 have to prove themselves better vs saf,srl,pak who are good against spin

[Crookbond]

i said those figures are decent on pattas..surely jadeja wont set the world on fire on pattas..ashwin was superflop when he faced a good side in england' date=that said all 3 have to prove themselves better vs saf,srl,pak who are good against spin

Perfect - the second spinner's spot (as of now) is up for grabs. Ojha is not our "best bowler" ATM.

[Crookbond]

[table=head]Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Ave Econ SR 5 10 Opposition Start Date 1 2 75 26 141 1 141 1.88 450 0 0 v England 13-Dec-12 2 4 133 39 293 6 48.83 2.2 133 0 0 v England 5-Dec-12 3 6 177 45 452 11 41.09 2.55 96.5 1 0 v England 23-Nov-12 4 8 254.2 69 617 20 30.85 2.42 76.3 2 0 v England 15-Nov-12 5 10 303.3 85 765 27 28.33 2.52 67.4 3 0 v New Zealand 31-Aug-12 6 12 352.3 100 857 33 25.96 2.43 64 3 0 v New Zealand 23-Aug-12 7 14 427.3 115 1030 40 25.75 2.4 64.1 4 0 v West Indies 22-Nov-11 8 16 481.3 125 1198 46 26.04 2.48 62.8 4 0 v West Indies 14-Nov-11 9 18 529.5 138 1307 53 24.66 2.46 59.9 5 0 v West Indies 6-Nov-11 [/table] 9 matches with since WI series - 53 wickets at avg of 24 and SR of 60

I just posted his 4 wicket or more hauls. Out of those only 2 are in 2010, all other "centuries" are since 2011.

[The Outsider]

Did you read what I said? You keep on picking 5 wickets for 150 runs - it's of no good. Even if the rest 3 bowlers combine to give you 200 runs for another 5 wickets the opposition has scored 350 on the board.

1. How is dismissing the opposition for 350 on a patta a poor result? 2. Recent form is more important than career records which your analysis ignores completely. 3. Dhoni has himself admitted to using Ojha in a run stopping mode on many occasions. In those cases one would also account for his economy rate in any analysis.

[Lord]

i said those figures are decent on pattas..surely jadeja wont set the world on fire on pattas..ashwin was superflop when he faced a good side in england' date=that said all 3 have to prove themselves better vs saf,srl,pak who are good against spin

thats what I said.all 3(or atleast 2) are roughly equal atm.I said I'd pick Jadeja as he offers more as a package.but yeah hes got to prove himself too.can go either way on that.

[vvvslaxman]

i said those figures are decent on pattas..surely jadeja wont set the world on fire on pattas..ashwin was superflop when he faced a good side in england' date=that said all 3 have to prove themselves better vs saf,srl,pak who are good against spin

Ojha's prowess against England could be put down to few of their guys struggling against any left arm spinners :cantstop: . Between the three Ashwin has more variations. With a bit of discipline he could be a success against most teams on most surfaces. Ojha has to add a lot more to his bowling so is Jaddu.

[adi B]

Perfect - the second spinner's spot (as of now) is up for grabs. Ojha is not our "best bowler" ATM.

ojha avg 24 in last 9 tests,jadeja`s avg 23 in last 4 tests..both are in good form and playing. ojha was the best bowler against a good english side,how is jadeja better than ojha?

[The Outsider]

ojha avg 24 in last 9 tests,jadeja`s avg 23 in last 4 tests..both are in good form and playing. ojha was the best bowler against a good english side,how is jadeja better than ojha?

Because stats guru says that 3 years back he took 5/150.:hysterical:

[adi B]

right now this bowling line up is perfect at home just replace yadav/shami with ishant.but saf,pak tour india they can shake our batting line up so you need a proper #6 like rahane to stabalize the batting..now ashwin will play so who`ll be our 2nd spinner? i`ll go with ojha rather than jadeja