End of Aussie Era

[Chandan]

Only if India and Pakistan are brave enough to make result oriented tracks and not pattas.

Result oriented tracks like we had in Kanpur earlier this year or result oriented tracks means green-tops?

[Gambit]

Result oriented tracks like we had in Kanpur earlier this year or result oriented tracks means green-tops?

Result oriented, period. Be it raging turners or green mambas. But obviously tracks that suit our bowling lineup at the time since it's a home series. Anything that ensures that bowlers are always in the hunt for wickets and that the third innings doesn't start after tea on the 4th day.

[flamy]

I would love the pitch that Eden Gardens had for its first IPL match when we play against Aus. :cantstop:

[Gambit]

Here are some stats on Australian bowling this decade. When either Warne or McGrath were part of the bowling lineup, the Australian team's bowling average was a fantastic 26 from 76 tests. They won 59 of those games and lost just 8. When both of them were in the lineup, their bowling average was also 26 in 55 tests. Australia won 42 of those and lost just 4. Without either of these two, the Australian bowling average falls to 35 in 18 tests matches. Despite Brett Lee and Clark's efforts, Australian bowling has obviously been quite hard hit. An increase of 10 runs in the average is evidence of that.

[CC1981]

Face it CC an aussie era is over. Stop being stubborn and just agree with us! Your reasoning that aussies will not be weaker without warne is nuts!

I will agree that the Aussie era is over when i see the evidence for that in RESULTS- lets see a team sporting better win/loss ratio than the Aussies for a couple of years before we try to fantasize about Aussie dominance being over. I was reminding you and the rest, who were rejoicing at the loss of two great Aussie players, that their era is over, that the Aussies have dealt splendidly with the loss of other great players as well. I don't care if the Aussies are weaker or stronger- fact remains that so long as they continue to win series/games at a better rate than other teams, their era is very much in progress....and one or two series won't change that either. Whether their bowling/batting is stronger/weaker than their glorious team at its peak, is irrelevant. Fact is, so long as they sport a 20 point lead at the top of the ICC test standings, their era is anything but 'over'. And unlike you, i don't have a problem with the Aussie era continuing either- unlike you, i am not a jingoistic fan and Aussies are the most deserving champions of the current lot- by a country mile.

[Yuvraj4Captaincy]

I dont think their era is about to end soon. They have lot of awesome reserve batsmen Their fast bowling looks good and some good fast bowlers will come through..Only thing is if they will find another adam gilchrist. Spinner is another worry but I think they can win matches with just an average one..they are that good.

[Chandan]

Ok, so whoever thinks that Aussie era has ended and whoever doesn't think that to be the case have to define what they exactly mean by "Aussie era". In my opinion, the golden era of Australia meant that they won almost every series beating their opponent all black and blue and most of the time absolutely steamrolled them by winning the tests by 3-0 or 5-0. That era has ended in my opinion. But has their dominence ended? No. Not by a long margin!! Australia will still win 95% of the test series that they play but the only difference will be that the tests won't end in 3 days and series won't be won with every test in their kitty. One or two tests might be drawn with sometimes even the opposition getting the upper hand. The opposition might even be able to force a few results against them. I don't know what DSR or CC is thinking.

[King Tendulkar]

Ok, so whoever thinks that Aussie era has ended and whoever doesn't think that to be the case have to define what they exactly mean by "Aussie era". In my opinion, the golden era of Australia meant that they won almost every series beating their opponent all black and blue and most of the time absolutely steamrolled them by winning the tests by 3-0 or 5-0. That era has ended in my opinion. But has their dominence ended? No. Not by a long margin!! Australia will still win 95% of the test series that they play but the only difference will be that the tests won't end in 3 days and series won't be won with every test in their kitty. One or two tests might be drawn with sometimes even the opposition getting the upper hand. The opposition might even be able to force a few results against them. I don't know what DSR or CC is thinking.

Read my OP. It states that aussies will probably still be no 1 and will still win most of their games. However, their total dominance as previous is over IMO.

[King]

If Aussies are going to win most of their games and continue to be no.1 then they still are dominant in world cricket. They have just won against WI 2-0. It's been nearly a year and half since McGrath and Warne has retired but the results they are producing have not taken a beating. They are still favorites to win against anyone.

[jf1gp_1]

How many test series have Aus lost in last 5 yrs ? I dont know what the answer but if the ans is 1 or 2 then the answer to OP is NO. Close to losing/draw doesnt count.

[satishg]

they have jus lost the ashes in 2005 and prior to that they had lost against us in 2001..so by no stretch of imagination is their domination over..they are still the number 1 side in the world..only our team has consistently challenged the aussies in the past decade but even then they have managed to beat us by 2-1 margin..so they wud continue to dominate all the other teams in the world except India as they have been doing all this time along..a gud test for this aussie side would be against us in October..India managed to challenge them quite easily last year and if v go by that series v shd win against the aussies comfortably..but i wont bet my money on that..the aussies never give up and beating them 2-1 in a 4 match series wud require a helluva effort on our side..Aussies are still the number 1 side by a long margin..

[theguyinallblue]

if the referral system is establlished for all test matches..then i can see the increase in the number of draws and losses for australian team...

[mayur]

aussies will definetely have a hard tym coz of loosing its key players but now aussies can not challenge india coz the younger indian team can go places now.with the team in form india will trouble every team.unfortunate for then losing the kitply cup but it was a short tournament thats y. india ol the way guys.wotch out 4the asia cup and the challenge 4 the pakistanis dis tym ind vs pak is wot we call criket.

[King Tendulkar]

if the referral system is establlished for all test matches..then i can see the increase in the number of draws and losses for australian team...

spot on.

[King Tendulkar]

Yes aussies won 2-0. Looks good on paper. But anyone who watched the games will know what I mean. They struggled at times against frankly a poor windies side. All 3 games went to day 5. 2nd test windies got easy draw. 3rd test they stuggled to get win. They are not as good as before. Mark my words they have a tough 2 years ahead of them. Big question marks? No spinner. M Johnson is lookin averge. Haddins glovework is very sloppy!

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Aussie demolition days are over RICKY Ponting admits Australia's days of demolishing opposition in Test cricket may be over after his new-look side completed a hard-fought 2-0 series victory over the West Indies. More... Aussie demolition days are over June 17, 2008 RICKY Ponting admits Australia's days of demolishing opposition in Test cricket may be over after his new-look side completed a hard-fought 2-0 series victory over West Indies. Ponting's world champions overcame a defiant Windies by 87 runs in the third Test at Kensington Oval, with young spinner Beau Casson capping a fine debut with 3-86. As with the first two Tests, Australia were pushed to five days in Barbados, and only claimed victory in the shadows of tea after the eighth-ranked Windies scored a ground-best 387 in the fourth inning chasing a world record 475 for victory. Ponting expressed great satisfaction with his side's victory in the Caribbean - Australia's first Test tour in two years and the first since the mass retirements of Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Adam Gilchrist and co. But after conceding his side's bowling attack had come back to the pack following the drawn second Test, he admitted Australia's path to victories in the future would be focused more on grinding down opposition, than blowing teams off the park. "We're probably not demolishing sides like we might have two years ago, but we're grinding teams down and winning Test matches, and we're doing it well," Ponting said. "I'm really happy with where we're at at the moment. "Everyone's been talking about this transition phase that our team's been going through - and it's right, we are going through that sort of transition, we've lost six or seven players in the last 12 months - but what we haven't done is we haven't lost a Test series. "We're still beating teams, we're still winning Test matches and winning series. "That's a really pleasing thing for me and the rest of the guys going forward." Dwayne Bravo (69) and Shivnarine Chanderpaul (50) gave the small, but vocal, crowd in Bridgetown hope of a miracle victory after piling on 122 runs for the fourth wicket to have the Windies at 3-303. Ponting, though, insisted his team always felt in control, with Casson eventually providing the key breakthrough just 15 minutes before lunch, showing great character to bounce back from being belted for three sixes off Bravo to dismiss the allrounder. As with Casson's first Test wicket late on day four, it came via a great catch from Phil Jaques in close, with Stuart Clark (3-58) all-but securing victory four balls later with the crucial wicket of man-of-the-series Chanderpaul. "I thought right from the start of the day today that we just needed to get that initial breakthrough," said Ponting. "When you're in a situation like that in a Test match, you've just got to really patient. "It was a patience game for us this morning ... I think the West Indies probably felt they were half a chance of being able to win the game with Bravo and Chanderpaul going well. "But Beau bounced back and got the breakthrough. And from there I thought we managed things pretty well. It was just that one initial breakthrough that we've been after." Simon Katich earned man of the match honours for his second-innings 157, with Chanderpaul a standout choice for man of the series, despite his side's defeat.

[Gambit]

The Australian batting without Hayden seems like a child in a crowd who's been separated from his father. Without Hayden's reassuring and dominant presence at the top, the Aussie run machine doesn't look threatening at all. I know Katich did the biz and Jaques has been amongst the runs but neither of them bat with the same assurance and authority that Hayden does. Indian fans know what a fillip Hayden's absence can provide as our bowlers ran through their opening pair in both innings at Perth but when Hayden was back in Adelaide, going for Indian bowling was tough again. Once he retires, another massive rock from the Aussie edifice will have been removed. But still credit to Australia. They have lost the following over the past year but still haven't lost a series: (technically they should have, against us :winky:) Langer Martyn Gilchrist Warne McGrath 3 of them are all time greats and the other two were pretty good too. As a comparison, can India retain their #2 spot in the test rankings after losing the following: Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Laxman Kumble. I doubt it.

[Chorazin Reto]

I know the focus on this thread is about Australia, but overall India need at look themseves as well, where will they be without Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Ganguly. These are some of the most experienced and dominant Test batters of the modern era. And Tendulkar, well he's a once in a generation, maybe once in several generations batsmen, a player like him only comes along once in a while. India's bowling seems well served and represented nowadays in both pace(RP Singh, P.Kumar, I.Sharma, S.Sreesanth) and spin(Bhaji, A.Kumble, P.Chawla), can India's bench strength of R.Sharma, G.Gambir, S.Raina and co. fill the vacancy left by these greats in the Test batting arena? I guess time will tell. As for Aust, we have some up and coming batsmen some known overseas some not, Pommersbach, Ronchi, Marsh, Watson as an all rounder, and some of the older guard in good form like Hodge and D.Hussey, looking to those just coming out of the under 19's you have Usman Khawaja, Michael Hill, Kumar Sarna, Phillip Hughes, (Moises Henriques and Theo Doropoulos ~ all rounders). Some of these players are already playing at State level in our domestic competition. What Australia lacks at the moment is a top level spinner, they are giving Casson a trudle to see how he goes, good luck to him.

[flamy]

^^ Long way to go before Sehwag retires, but losing the Fab-4 will definitely hurt us.

[flamy]

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