Alltime XI challenge

[harmuk]

Because they know far more than you. That is implicit, given that they've spent about a million times more man-hours focussing on and understanding the issues pertinent to cricket. That is the entire reason 'expert opinion' is sought after in every field- quantifiable scientific one as well as the unquantifiable social ones. .

Then why are you wasting your time debating here? Go read about what they have to say and feel happy. I do not believe in that.

Because discussing various aspects of cricket and and showing the basic common sense of deferring to expert opinions are not mutually exclusive.

Repetitive?

No, it is adults like us who know that when people excel in a certain field, their opinions on that field are worth listening to. Its foolish kids like you who think they know more from watching tv than people who've spent decades at the sport. As i said kid, you are nothing more than yet another two-bit kid who thinks the world is his oyester and you know more than the rest. Perhaps it is a function of your youth and your new-found ability to use a brain, but this too will pass.

What field do you specialize in? Rack books at a local Walmart store? Excepting call others kids and derail the thread, once cornered you are resorting to the oldest trick in the book - Fall back on expert opinion.

I already have. World cup semi finals, any world cup elimination games, world cup finals all amount to the same type of pressure as world cup final games. Find me an expert who thinks otherwise

That is BS. Debunked many times. To the victor goes the spoils. Finals is the grand daddy of them all. Just because Tendulkar failed in them and you do not like it, does not change the fact. Even Tendulkar would admit he would trade a few of his centuries, to get that GG score besides his name in that WC final. Now do not act like a baby and get the point - Dumbo.

[Crookbond]

After the epic battles of Outsider vs Bossbhai over the years, we now have a SachinLara vs harmuk for Wrestlemania 22.

[harmuk]

^So Harmuk who would your two sets of openers be for two opposing dream teams...? And why ...

Well I was wondering about ODIs mainly I guess, but go for both :two_thumbs_up:

ODI Openers: 1st Team: Gilly - Game changer, finished many a game in a matter of a few overs that included a WC final, no less. Teams have to game plan for him, and was the most feared in a famed line up. Sachin - Sheer volume of runs and consistency with a solid S/R. 2ndTeam: Jaya - Gilly type. I am a believer in a 50 over game a 32-33 average, with the kind of returns you get with players like Jaya and Gilly at the top, when you have 5-6 decent batsman to cover up for in 50 overs, it is worth it. A must have for me. Greenidge - Personal favorite. A player if he started in the 90's, could have had much better numbers. Still good and can be brutal like Viv on his day. A great great player and a solid fielder. Honarable mention : Haynes, Mark Waugh, Anwar among others. I am sure I would like to squeeze in Gayle too, but hope he takes his game more seriously and have 2-3 more productive years. This guy can really hit a cricket ball and with some consistency.

[harmuk]

After the epic battles of Outsider vs Bossbhai over the years' date=' we now have a SachinLara vs harmuk for Wrestlemania 22. [/quote']Trust me - I do not have that kind of a time. Just a casual poster, who got carried away a bit over these past few days, with these lengthy posts in a thread. I will never log that kind of hours. :icflove:

[harmuk]

Get off of your self-aggrandized high horse, kiddo. You are no expert, you are just another tom,dick and harry kid who thinks being difficult and different is a sign of expertese.

I never claim to be an expert. But with stupid posters like you going around, making jack-asses of themselves on a public forum, it does not take much for people like me to feel as such. Got it. :dance:

[punjabi_khota]

All time Match-fixers ODI XI Mark Waugh Prabhakar Gibbs Azhar Cronje © Jadeja Akmal (W) Shane Warne Asif Amir Kaneria Solid team if you ask me Probably can take on All time India XI :phehehe:

[Trichromatic]

^Wasim Akram?

[BeautifulGame]

India won the world cup because india played at home, with two of the best middle order bats in the history of the game in full flow- Dhoni and Yuvraj. The fact that India failed to win world cups prior to this, is not due to Ganguly, who happens to've scored 1000+ runs at 50+ average and high 70s strike rate in world cup. As i said kid, learn the difference between correlation and causation.

Don't make me laugh. Ganguly's highest score in 2003 World Cup against test playing nation was 48. And obviously winning World Cup at home is easy. That's why no other team has won World Cup at home.

Given the fact that he was 10 times as astute as Dhoni as a captain, one of the safest catchers and a valuable seam bowling '5th/6th bowler' in the Hansie Cronje mould, who are God-like on sticky wickets such as those in Toronto Sahara Cup, along with the fact that he is one of the most successful openers ever, he is more than a shoo-in for an alltime India XI and definitely a consideration for alltime ODI XI.

Did I really read that nonsense ? Ganguly 10 times better captain than Dhoni? :hysterical: The same Ganguly who cowardly chose to field in World Cup final and cost us the World Cup in 2003? Compared with Dhoni who won u the World Cup after 27 years :lmao: The same Ganguly who couldn't win a single test series away from home against non-minnow opposition?

[harmuk]

And obviously winning World Cup at home is easy. That's why no other team has won World Cup at home.

That is a good one. Did not think about that.:hatsoff:

Did I really read that nonsense ? Ganguly 10 times better captain than Dhoni? :hysterical: The same Ganguly who cowardly chose to field in World Cup final and cost us the World Cup in 2003? Compared with Dhoni who won u the World Cup after 27 years :lmao: The same Ganguly who couldn't win a single test series away from home against non-minnow opposition

Yes you did. But for SachinLara coming up with such stuff is routine, and is a walk in the park.

[BeautifulGame]

Heres my ultimate ODI dream team M Waugh S Tendulkar R Ponting J Kallis V Richards M Hussey M S Dhoni W Akram J Garner S Warne G McGrath

I would replace Waugh with Gilly , Hussey with Bevan and Kallis with Klusner. IMO Kallis isn't a great match winner in ODI as he is in tests. Also will go for Ambrose instead of Garner because I am not old enough to watch the Big bird live. So dream ODI team would be : Sachin. Gilly Ponting. Richards Bevan Dhoni Klusner Akram Warne Ambrose Macgrath

[Sooda]

Hm.. Two keepers? MSD can play as a batsman...not sure Gilly is good enough a pure opener, think MW (to name one) pips him Dont disagree with Bevan or Klusener I think. Thought Huss was a quicker scorer more capable of big hits than MB. And thought JK would be a good anchor to have with Punter or Richards batting at the other end. I guess Kapil could play too instead of Lance as SachinLara stated earlier.

[JaFanatic]

Hey loser - Post#114 on this thread was meant for you. Now have some shame' date=' and let the thread be for the purpose of what it is opened for:giggle:.[/quote'] mr.epic loser do you even know the meaning of shame :dontknow: its you who derailed this thread with some stupid logics

[trundlerNO1]

I personally feel Zaheer Abbass has got breathtakingly awesome record, I know has played only 62 matches BUT To have a average of almost of 48 with a strike of 85( at that time is pretty damn good), I think he could play in All time XI

[Muloghonto]

Then why are you wasting your time debating here? Go read about what they have to say and feel happy. I do not believe in that.

As i said, agreeing with the experts and still debating cricket are not mutually exclusive. You may not agree to giving credibility to expert opinion, most logical thinking human beings do.

What field do you specialize in? Rack books at a local Walmart store? Excepting call others kids and derail the thread, once cornered you are resorting to the oldest trick in the book - Fall back on expert opinion.

What i do is irrelevant here. Even if i disclosed my profession, i know kids like you will promptly say 'you are an online liar', to which i have two choices - either put up with the nonsense you kids spout or reveal my identity. No thanks, as i said, what i do or do not do serves no purpose here. As for falling back on expert opinion, to you that may be the oldest trick in the book. To people who are not arrogant ignoramuses, it is the logical thing to do.

That is BS. Debunked many times. To the victor goes the spoils. Finals is the grand daddy of them all.

That has never been debunked, since you have not been able to supply the required logic to peddle the idea that a world cup final is a more pressure indusive situation than a world cup semi final. Neither have you supported any expert or player opinion that would say 'against the same team, world cup final is more challenging to play than the world cup semi final'. So what you have, is the BS that kids like you spout - that somehow, one elimination must win contest is harder against the same opposition due to special occasions.

Just because Tendulkar failed in them and you do not like it, does not change the fact. Even Tendulkar would admit he would trade a few of his centuries, to get that GG score besides his name in that WC final. Now do not act like a baby and get the point - Dumbo.

Just because Tendulkar failed in two of the dozens of must-win pressure situations he's faced, does not make him a liability in pressure situations. Since no batsman has a perfect record (all scores above 50 for eg) in every single must win situation, your criticism of Tendulkar failing in a world cup final is irrelevant- its one of the pressure situations he`s failed in, which is true for every batsman, who`s failed in pressure situations sometimes. Given that two out of 400+ matches is also statistically insignificant, you simply have no case. Yes, Tendy failed in the world cup finals. Just one of the many `must win`pressure situations he, along with every single other batsman has failed in. Does not change the fact that when it comes to `must win`matches, Tendy`s record is as stellar as any other batsman to`ve played the game.

[Muloghonto]

Don't make me laugh. Ganguly's highest score in 2003 World Cup against test playing nation was 48. ^^

So what....he still has an excellent record against Test playing nations in world cups.

And obviously winning World Cup at home is easy. That's why no other team has won World Cup at home.

Sri Lanka won it practically at home (2 out of the entire matches they played in 1996 were outside SL) too. Whichever way you wish to slice and dice it, fact remains that India won because: a) it was at home b) India did not run into an ATG team like the Aussies of 96-2008 period, c) India had two of the ATG best middle order batsmen in the game- Yuvraj and Dhoni, which India did not have prior.

Did I really read that nonsense ? Ganguly 10 times better captain than Dhoni? :hysterical:

As far as field setting, rotating bowlers and such go, which is the tactical aspect of captaincy, Ganguly was better than Dhoni. Most are.

The same Ganguly who cowardly chose to field in World Cup final and cost us the World Cup in 2003? Compared with Dhoni who won u the World Cup after 27 years :lmao:

Hindsight is 20-20. Had Gilly and Hayden been gone inside of 5 overs, the match would`ve swung our way. Not many were critical of his choice to field before the match started, several astute observers such as Barry Richards and Tony Greig were supportive of it, for in Saffie pitches, batting first is not always the right choice as it is in the subcontinent. Too bad it didnt work out because our bowlers couldnt bowl better.

The same Ganguly who couldn't win a single test series away from home against non-minnow opposition?

I am yet to see you geniuses specify how you are discerning tactical nous from match results. As i said earlier, Ricky Ponting has a better captaincy record than Mike Brearley. Yet, if you want to argue that Punter was a better captain than Brearley, even Punter would laugh at you morons.

[Muloghonto]

I never claim to be an expert. But with stupid posters like you going around' date=' making jack-asses of themselves on a public forum, it does not take much for people like me to feel as such. Got it. :dance:[/quote'] The only one making a fool of himself is you, with your implication that your opinions are more worthy than expert opinions. It doesnt take much for kids like you to feel like you are an expert because, bacchey, you are a kid and kids of your age (teen-something or early tween like i BET you are) think they know it all and are better than the rest. Its a function of starting to use your own brain for the first time and realizing how awesome thinking on your own is, without parents to hold your hand. I know this, bacchey, because we oldies have been there, done that. What you dont know, bachchey, is that one day you will grow up and realize that people who do something for a profession are much more likely than you,the non-professional, to know better in the said profession. The only stupid one here,is you. You, who think that your opinion is worth more than Boycott,Gavaskar and the rest of the cricketing fraternity combined. It is you, the idiot, who simply claims but cannot provide any reasonable logic on why one `must win` match is harder than another, against the same opposition. All you got for reason, is èveryone knows it`, which is not a reason but an excuse and then LYING about the argument presented to you and twisting it to `well it is obviously harder to face McWarne in a world cup final than playing your fat neighbours in a local final`, which is obviously disingenous and dishonest. It is you, who has claimed to judge a player on a criteria that does not exist (performance in world cup finals) in either an expert or a statistician`s analysis of the game. So therefore, it is you, that is the stupid one here. And if you look carefully, i am not the only one telling yuo how stupid your concept of cricket is.

[Muloghonto]

Here are my Alltime A & B teams for ODIs: Alltime A: Sachin Tendulkar Adam Gillchrist Brian Lara Aravind DeSilva ABDV Mike Hussey Kapil Dev Wasim Akram Anil Kumble Alan Donald Muttiah Muralitharan Alltime B: Saurav Ganguly Sanath Jayasurya Vivian Richards Mohammad Azharuddin Mike Bevan Mahendra Singh Dhoni Shaun Pollock Shane Warne Waqar Younis Saqlain Mushtaq Glenn McGrath

[harmuk]

Here are my Alltime A & B teams for ODIs: Alltime A: Sachin Tendulkar Adam Gillchrist Brian Lara Aravind DeSilva ABDV Mike Hussey Kapil Dev Wasim Akram Anil Kumble Alan Donald Muttiah Muralitharan Alltime B: Saurav Ganguly Sanath Jayasurya Vivian Richards Mohammad Azharuddin Mike Bevan Mahendra Singh Dhoni Shaun Pollock Shane Warne Waqar Younis Saqlain Mushtaq Glenn McGrath

Fail. A guy who jumps like a cat on a hot tin roof, at the sight of a short-pitched delivery in an all-time team, with a Dravid like S/R and poor running between the wickets, escorting ball to boundary while fielding and more importantly being a bad team guy creating controversies should never even be allowed on the all-Bengal 2nd XI, let along a World XI. So try again..

[Muloghonto]

Fail. A guy who jumps like a cat on a hot tin roof' date=' at the sight of a short-pitched delivery in an all-time team, with a Dravid like S/R and poor running between the wickets, escorting ball to boundary while fielding and more importantly being a bad team guy creating controversies should never even be allowed on the all-Bengal 2nd XI. So try again.[/quote'] A guy who is the God of offside against any level pace bowling, who is one of the most consistent guy against pace bowling ( averages 50.50 vs South Africa, 47.58 vs WI and 35+ against Pakistan & almost 40 against England), one of the best sheet anchor guy, most certainly deserves his place. Definitely is more deserving in an alltime list than the likes of Anwar,Gayle,Jayasurya,Sehwag and can be made a case for greater than MEW as well. So-called 'poor against short ball' guy has dominated 4 of the 5 pace-heavy attacks of his time. Didn't just crap his pants against any excellent attack ala Anwar,Jayausurya,Sehwag (who all average pathetic low 20s against the OZ-RSA). Funny how mr so-called 'cat on a hot tin roof' has dominated an attack comprising of deVilliers,Pollock,Donald,Ntini,Steyn etc. despite his so-called weakness. I don't care if he bats with his legs in the air above his head, a guy who can average 50+ against the likes of Donald-Pollock has no business being questioned against top quality pace. Yes, he didnt do so well against the Aussies. Does not make him suck against pace just because of failure against one team, particularly when the Saffie pace attack through the 90s & early 2000s was better than Australia`s. One of the rare military medium part time bowlers who offers the team more variety than the good ol boring 'spin the ball in a negative line if you are a batsman who fancies bowling' ala Viv,Sehwag,Gayle,Malik,deSilva etc. The 'bad team guy' is nothing more than a figment of your immagination and that is attested by the fact that ALL team members of Ganguly have hailed his exemplary man-management skills to turn India into a better team in the aftermath of the matchfixing scandal and the loss of three extremely good Indian players prematurely (Jadeja,Mongia & Azhar). A safe catcher, daring captain. So you try again, kiddo.

[harmuk]

The only one making a fool of himself is you, with your implication that your opinions are more worthy than expert opinions. It doesnt take much for kids like you to feel like you are an expert because, bacchey, you are a kid and kids of your age (teen-something or early tween like i BET you are) think they know it all and are better than the rest. Its a function of starting to use your own brain for the first time and realizing how awesome thinking on your own is, without parents to hold your hand. I know this, bacchey, because we oldies have been there, done that. What you dont know, bachchey, is that one day you will grow up and realize that people who do something for a profession are much more likely than you,the non-professional, to know better in the said profession. The only stupid one here,is you. You, who think that your opinion is worth more than Boycott,Gavaskar and the rest of the cricketing fraternity combined. It is you, the idiot, who simply claims but cannot provide any reasonable logic on why one `must win` match is harder than another, against the same opposition. All you got for reason, is èveryone knows it`, which is not a reason but an excuse and then LYING about the argument presented to you and twisting it to `well it is obviously harder to face McWarne in a world cup final than playing your fat neighbours in a local final`, which is obviously disingenous and dishonest. It is you, who has claimed to judge a player on a criteria that does not exist (performance in world cup finals) in either an expert or a statistician`s analysis of the game. So therefore, it is you, that is the stupid one here. And if you look carefully, i am not the only one telling yuo how stupid your concept of cricket is.

BS. I think to me my opnion matters more than what Boycott has to say about Ganguly. He perhaps has seen lesser number of games, than I did in which Ganguly played in, for example. So just because he played international cricket, does mean what he says is gospel. Ask him to call me and I will change his opinion, with proper reasoning. Ganguly as I said sucks and you should be ashamed of yourself, for selecting him on the 2nd all-time team. Perhaps you need to watch more than Bengal cricket and listen a little less of what the old ***s, Gavaskar or Boycott has to say about some 'X', 'Y', 'Z' player. Now go get some sleep. You look a little stressed to me.