BCCI may be forced to accept DRS

[velu]

Why is PCB coming with a begging bowl to India? Apparently Ishant Sharma earns more money in IPL than the whole pakistan team :hysterical: CA had a 40 million profit when India lost 4-0 England had loss last year but had a profit the previous year when India lost 4-0 Yes they can live without India but their cricket will die :finger::finger:

:cantstop::cantstop:

[superstar]

DRS stupidity in view today...Doull trying hard to justify this crap

[StriKe]

[special K]

You cant live without your players. Open conflict with BCCI = IPL teams makes 'offers that you cannot refuse' to brit or Aussie players. Besides, piss BCCI off totally and if BCCI withdraws from the FTP program, that means 6 months of IPL a year, primier league style. Kiss any competent player from England or Australia goodbye, for an extended IPL season will equal 5-10 million dollar per salaries being handed out at the top end. So no, international cricket cannot live without BCCI. It exists because BCCI tolerates it. If BCCI wanted international cricket gone, it could be done at the drop of a hat. All it will require is for BCCI to make two announcements : 1. 'We withdraw from ICC' 2. 'We are going to make a 16 team IPL lasting six months'. The end for Aussie/English cricket if that happens.

Aussie and English players don't care about money as much as Sri Lankan or Pakistan players. They already get a good salary for representing their country and it would be raised if that was under threat. The only countries that would suffer are the West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. England, Australia and South Africa can pay the big bucks if they need to. These cricket boards aren't intimidated by BCCI.

[Muloghonto]

Aussie and English players don't care about money as much as Sri Lankan or Pakistan players. They already get a good salary for representing their country and it would be raised if that was under threat. The only countries that would suffer are the West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. England, Australia and South Africa can pay the big bucks if they need to. These cricket boards aren't intimidated by BCCI.

1. You are a fool if you think professional sportsmen dont care about money. It makes no sense to be a professional at something (the word professional means selling a service) and not care about money! 2. Look, your best Aussie/English players will be dancing to our tune when we offer them 5-6 million per year multi- year deals. Your cricket's point of existence would become the same as Brazilian or Argentinian club soccer: to be feeder farms of talent for the Euro leagues. Your cricket would exist for the sole purpose of unearthing & developing new talent which BCCI will snipe away at exorbitant rates. If an IPL team offered Clarke 5-6 million per year for 4+ years, your so-called 'model citizen-captain of Australia' wouldnt bat an eyelid to ditch the ACB. Why ? because in 4 years with the ACB he will barely make 1-2 million, 3-4 max if the ACB tries to up the ante, but with IPL that would amount to 20-24 million. If you think players will say no to that kind of money, then you dont know 99% of professional players. 3. ECB/ACB cannot compete with BCCI. If BCCI withdraws from ICC,it takes about 70% of the revenue with it. If IPL goes Primier league style 16-20 teams for 6-8 month long seasons, then top player contracts could easily hit 5-7 million per year multi-year deals. ECB, ACB and CSA will be totally unable to compete with that kind of money. This is because current contract levels are in the 100K-250K zone and no sporting body in the world can absord a 10-20x increase in player salaries. There is simply no other direction but that left for cricket. Test cricket will exist to give cricket the veneer of ancience and the fact that most players would still like to play the longer format, as it is a more rewarding experience IMO. ODIs may die or may just stagnate at its current level. But future of cricket is IPL. 10-20 years from now, IPL will be to cricket what ML is to baseball : baseball currently exists globally (by that, i mean Japan, Colombia, Puerto Rico, mexico,etc) to feed the ML. Same way, cricket in Australia, England, etc will exist to feed the IPL. What is amply clear is that the cricketing masses have spoken: IPL is here, IPL is here to stay and IPL is the future. Ratings of IPL make that abundantly clear. I know its a bitter pill to swallow if you are a non-Indian, but that is the reality. We form the vast majority of fans, we form the vast majority of the revenue and you cannot resist us. If you resist us, we will take your best players and cut you out of the deal. We have enough money to dictate terms to the entire collective cricketing world. You wont win against BCCI, end of story.

[special K]

1. You are a fool if you think professional sportsmen dont care about money. It makes no sense to be a professional at something (the word professional means selling a service) and not care about money! 2. Look, your best Aussie/English players will be dancing to our tune when we offer them 5-6 million per year multi- year deals. Your cricket's point of existence would become the same as Brazilian or Argentinian club soccer: to be feeder farms of talent for the Euro leagues. Your cricket would exist for the sole purpose of unearthing & developing new talent which BCCI will snipe away at exorbitant rates. If an IPL team offered Clarke 5-6 million per year for 4+ years, your so-called 'model citizen-captain of Australia' wouldnt bat an eyelid to ditch the ACB. Why ? because in 4 years with the ACB he will barely make 1-2 million, 3-4 max if the ACB tries to up the ante, but with IPL that would amount to 20-24 million. If you think players will say no to that kind of money, then you dont know 99% of professional players. 3. ECB/ACB cannot compete with BCCI. If BCCI withdraws from ICC,it takes about 70% of the revenue with it. If IPL goes Primier league style 16-20 teams for 6-8 month long seasons, then top player contracts could easily hit 5-7 million per year multi-year deals. ECB, ACB and CSA will be totally unable to compete with that kind of money. This is because current contract levels are in the 100K-250K zone and no sporting body in the world can absord a 10-20x increase in player salaries. There is simply no other direction but that left for cricket. Test cricket will exist to give cricket the veneer of ancience and the fact that most players would still like to play the longer format, as it is a more rewarding experience IMO. ODIs may die or may just stagnate at its current level. But future of cricket is IPL. 10-20 years from now, IPL will be to cricket what ML is to baseball : baseball currently exists globally (by that, i mean Japan, Colombia, Puerto Rico, mexico,etc) to feed the ML. Same way, cricket in Australia, England, etc will exist to feed the IPL. What is amply clear is that the cricketing masses have spoken: IPL is here, IPL is here to stay and IPL is the future. Ratings of IPL make that abundantly clear. I know its a bitter pill to swallow if you are a non-Indian, but that is the reality. We form the vast majority of fans, we form the vast majority of the revenue and you cannot resist us. If you resist us, we will take your best players and cut you out of the deal. We have enough money to dictate terms to the entire collective cricketing world. You wont win against BCCI, end of story.

What I mean is, Pakistan and Sri Lanka players live on peanuts when playing for their country compared to the likes of English and Aussie players, and to a lesser extent Saffa players. Also many of these players come already from wealthy backgrounds. There's not many chavs that play cricket. Another thing, if the worst happened, all that would happen is many of those players could retire earlier in test cricket, like their late 20's/ early 30's. They may even leave for the IPL for the lesser test series like against West Indies or New Zealand. They won't walk away for the big tests. England/ Aussie players won't walk away like you suggest. Some of them already have refused big money. That's because they don't need the money like a player playing for a team like New Zealand etc.. The IPL is rubbish. Nobody outside of India cares for watching it.

[Muloghonto]

What I mean is, Pakistan and Sri Lanka players live on peanuts when playing for their country compared to the likes of English and Aussie players, and to a lesser extent Saffa players. Also many of these players come already from wealthy backgrounds. There's not many chavs that play cricket. Another thing, if the worst happened, all that would happen is many of those players could retire earlier in test cricket, like their late 20's/ early 30's. They may even leave for the IPL for the lesser test series like against West Indies or New Zealand. They won't walk away for the big tests. England/ Aussie players won't walk away like you suggest. Some of them already have refused big money. That's because they don't need the money like a player playing for a team like New Zealand etc.. The IPL is rubbish. Nobody outside of India cares for watching it.

1. Again, background doesnt matter. Sure, your billionaire playboy cricketer might not care but there are not that many kicking around. Last i checked, you offer 20-30 million dollar more than any other team and its enough for even soccer players, who earn 10x more than cricketers, nevermind cricketers. 2. As i said, BCCI withdrawl from ICC amounts to a full IPL season. BCCI isnt gonna sit around twiddle its thumbs for 10 months a year to hold a 2 month tourney if thats its only cash revenue. Given that this 'only' cash revenue is already representative of like 10-20% of cricketing revenue despite running on a 10 week schedule, it would amount to simple business: expand IPL to 6-8 month 'season' and icrease IPL revenue 10-fold. Currently, ACB top level contract players are getting paid 400,000 dollars IIRC. When you increase that amount by 10-fold, ACB loses ability to compete, period. The reason Sri Lankans.WICB are already compliant to IPL is because even on a 10 week revenue schedule, IPL can out-muscle SLCB WICB salaries quite easily. ACB and ECB still have some clout left because IPL's 10 week revenue is still less than ECB/ACB yearly revenue. But not by much i might point out. A 10 fold expansion of the IPL equates to atleast 6-8 fold revenue increase (even if the expansion is ill timed and poorly managed). If that happens, ACB and ECB too will be priced out of the equation, as 'effective six-month long IPL season top salary' would inflate from 1-1.5 million per year currently to 5-7 million per year. ACB/ECB will *not* be able to offer more than 0.5 million per year if it didnt have India to draw revenue from!. That is what they are offering now, despite getting about 20%-30% of their revenues from India-related events, so they cant possibly up the ante without the ICC revenue sharing plan, of which India contributes to ALL ! As for IPL being only India obsession - that is good enough. When 1.2 billion people are obsessed about something, the rest of 400 million worldwide audience does not matter. IPL is raking in the money for being an India only obsession on a short season. You think English or Aussie players have turned down big money ? Well, IPL is nowhere close to optimizing its money potential. Currently they are tossing around 700K-1.2K for 10 weeks, to players who make .25-0.5K per year. Yeah, not a huge amount of money to risk job security with their native boards. But when BCCI fully maxes out IPL over 6-8 month season, it will be 5-7 million tossed around from IPL teams, competing with 0.25-0.5K from the ACB/ECB. I garantee you, if some English/Aussie players are 'unhappy' about missing out on extra half a million IPL income today, there wont be an English and Aussie player left when IPL offers 2-3 million average salary, 5-7 million top salary. Some players may wait till their late 20s to cash in, but i garantee you there wont be very many of those. Definitely not bowlers, who dont take 10-12 year careers for granted and if they get top money for 3-4 years, they will opt for that 'now' rather than wait. Even with batsmen, you will have to be a Michael Clarke/Alistair Cooke level batsman to bank on 10+ year careers but even then, 90% of them would opt for 10x more money anyways.

[superstar]

What I mean is, Pakistan and Sri Lanka players live on peanuts when playing for their country compared to the likes of English and Aussie players, and to a lesser extent Saffa players. Also many of these players come already from wealthy backgrounds. There's not many chavs that play cricket. Another thing, if the worst happened, all that would happen is many of those players could retire earlier in test cricket, like their late 20's/ early 30's. They may even leave for the IPL for the lesser test series like against West Indies or New Zealand. They won't walk away for the big tests. England/ Aussie players won't walk away like you suggest. Some of them already have refused big money. That's because they don't need the money like a player playing for a team like New Zealand etc.. The IPL is rubbish. Nobody outside of India cares for watching it.

Reg. Eng and Aussie players they get good money from their board because of India tours. Both countries have an India tour every two years. Check ECBs financial resutls that was released a month back. They made loss last year when the no. 1 team in the world (South africa toured). They made a handsome profit when India lost 4-0 :cantstop::cantstop: BCCI can easily send a second tier team and devalue the telecast the rights. In India we always love our team thrashing the opponent :dance: So don;t care if Eng/Aus send a 3rd rated team and our stars are playing. Hard fact. Second biggest market for IPL is Pakistan. They watch just to come online and complain :hysterical::hysterical:

[special K]

Look, even if your scenario did happen. Let's say it is a 6-8 month IPL season. All the saffa, English and Aussie would organise test and ODI series during the 6-4 month period where there's no cricket. If it's winter in some of those countries then just move it to neutral venues. Unless IPL franchises put a stipulation in saying those players can't play on the IPL and represent their country. Which they could do, but could backfire. The rest of the test playing nations don't care about test cricket already. India themselves do organize 5 test series but the average Indian fan couldn't care less about it.

[Muloghonto]

Look' date=' even if your scenario did happen. Let's say it is a 6-8 month IPL season. All the saffa, English and Aussie would organise test and ODI series during the 6-4 month period where there's no cricket. [/quote'] Okay. They will still bend to BCCI in that case and work around IPL season. 1. 'exclusive representation' will almost certainly be applied to domestic teams. Ie, IPL contracts cannot play for any county or Aussie state team. Cannot enforce league loyalty over national duty, international sporting regulations stipulate such. 2. My point is simple- BCCI can do whatever it wants. It does not need test cricket or ODI cricket or any event other than IPL to make billions of dollars and in a scenario where BCCI are seriously resisted against, BCCI weilds enough financial clout to turn ACB/ECB into economic non-entities by simply withdrawing from the FTP. Sure, if your idea of English or Aussie cricket is a 2-3 month window, somewhere between June to August , as IPL is in inter-season period, then yes, that sort of cricket will survive. Outside of that, nothing else will unless Ashes is England A vs Australia A in the IPL season frame. The reason ECB/ACB are the most vocal opponents of 20/20 & IPL is because they know the writing is on the wall. If IPL continues to be a revenue and rating success, it will give BCCI every reason to expand the IPL season, to a point where IPL is atleast a 6-8 month long affair. and in this scenario, which is inevitable IMO, ECB and ACB are reduced to peanuts status financially because IPL will dominate cricket revenue and talent at its disposal.

[superstar]

Look, even if your scenario did happen. Let's say it is a 6-8 month IPL season. All the saffa, English and Aussie would organise test and ODI series during the 6-4 month period where there's no cricket. If it's winter in some of those countries then just move it to neutral venues. Unless IPL franchises put a stipulation in saying those players can't play on the IPL and represent their country. Which they could do, but could backfire. The rest of the test playing nations don't care about test cricket already. India themselves do organize 5 test series but the average Indian fan couldn't care less about it.

Don't keep blabbering. Only other countrises will lose. Money speaks.

India -Australia Test series attracts highest average rating The 2013 series delivered almost 50% higher ratings than the previous India-Australia series

http://www.livemint.com/Consumer/74sXbpHk3aHFQ8QP9NYPjO/India-Australia-Test-series-attracts-highest-average-rating.html

[special K]

The only reason India/ Australia series got high viewing figures was because you were battering them.

[zep1706]

Fekk who would read those essays that you guys are writing? :giggle:

[The Outsider]

10-20 years from now' date=' IPL will be to cricket what ML is to baseball[/quote'] I've been hearing this for the last 5 years and the deadline when everything else will pale into significance compared to IPL keeps getting pushed back. I am not saying it will never happen or it's some impossible event, but at least the proponents of the idea should be honest with their deadlines. 5 years back it was 10 years later, today also it's 10 years later.

[Muloghonto]

I've been hearing this for the last 5 years and the deadline when everything else will pale into significance compared to IPL keeps getting pushed back. I am not saying it will never happen or it's some impossible event' date=' but at least the proponents of the idea should be honest with their deadlines. 5 years back it was 10 years later, today also it's 10 years later.[/quote'] 1.Well I am not one of those guys who made those predictions. 2. I am going by how long it takes a large league to get set up and functional - such as NBA, NHL, etc. Typically they take a decade to establish themselves as it takes a decade to get good marketshare and the franchises to stabilize themselves. 20/20 doesn't have to worry about market share from other sports but it has to worry about market share from alternative forms of the same sport (Test and ODI cricket), so it should take longer. Currently, IPL is in its infancy, having 10-12 teams and a 10 week season. Things can only expand from here on, IMO.

[superstar]

I've been hearing this for the last 5 years and the deadline when everything else will pale into significance compared to IPL keeps getting pushed back. I am not saying it will never happen or it's some impossible event' date=' but at least the proponents of the idea should be honest with their deadlines. 5 years back it was 10 years later, today also it's 10 years later.[/quote'] 20 years sounds good. The current kids will be joining the workforce then. I know a lot of my little cousins follow only T20.

[Crookbond]

Anil Kumble at MAK Pataudi Memorial Lecture

On many issues, players and fans are closer to the BCCI's way of thinking than is realised. India has been criticised for their stand on the DRS issue, for example. But personally, I have my reservations too - some of the drawbacks were evident in the recent Ashes series in England and the current Australian captain has expressed his concern too. We have maintained that the system needs tweaking, we need additional inputs not because we are looking for 100 percent certainty every time - you don't need to be a student of quantum physics to know that is not possible - but in order to eliminate some obvious drawbacks in the system - an expert in technology needs to certify the science behind the various tools used. Yet the perception in this case is that the BCCI is a hundred percent wrong.

[bsriharsha]

change DRS and make it more sensible , get retards like adharma out of umpiring....

[Texan]

2 out of 4 top order wickets lost to wrong decisions in a crucial 4th innings chase/save.

[asterix]

2 out of 4 top order wickets lost to wrong decisions in a crucial 4th innings chase/save.

Once Dhobi goes and SC removes Srini, BCCI will go for DRS... These 2 have been against DRS throughout...