Sachin=GOD Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Yoga passes secularism test in US WASHINGTON: Yoga enthusiasts in the US got a big boost this week when a California judge ruled that the practice which originated in India is now a ''distinctly American cultural phenomenon,'' while dismissing complaints from some parents that teaching it to school children amounted to ''an unconstitutional promotion of Eastern religions.'' Weeks of testimony from yoga practitioners and opponents, including live demonstration in courtroom of poses taught to children, came to a convoluted finale on Monday when Judge John Mayer agreed that yoga ''at its roots is religious,'' but pronounced that the kind introduced by a school district near San Diego, which was the subject of the litigation, passed the test of secularism. "A reasonable student would not objectively perceive that Encinitas School District yoga does advance or promote religion," he said. Parents of some children had sued to stop the school district from teaching yoga maintaining it is a religious practice that surreptitiously promoted Hinduism. Funded with $533,000 from the K.Pattabhi Jois Foundation, which is backed by Jois acolytes, hedge-fund billionaire Paul Tudor Jones II and his wife Sonia, the school district introduced a three-year pilot yoga program in 2011, with twice a week classes in addition to regular physical education. While some 30 families pulled their children out of the classes, saying teaching of yoga in schools blurred the line between church and state and "represents a serious breach of the public trust," many parents backed the program, which the school said was also aimed at curbing aggressive behavior and bullying. School authorities said in court that they had removed all religious elements from what was taught to the students, including the use of the word Namaste and substituting Sanskrit name of asanas with English ones. For instance, Padmasana, usually called lotus pose in English, became ''criss cross apple sauce'' in Americanese to appeal to children. In fact, Judge Meyer, who had told the court early in the case that he himself had taken Bikram yoga classes, went so far as to observe that the yoga taught in Encinitas schools was no different from exercise programs like dodgeball. He was also irritated that some of the plaintiffs were not really informed about yoga as taught in the Encinitas schools and had simply got their information from dubious sources on the internet. ''It's almost like a trial by Wikipedia, which isn't what this court does,'' he observed. The petitioners have said they will appeal against the court's ruling, but for now, yoga enthusiasts are celebrating the victory because it sets an important legal precedent for expanding yoga in school programs. In fact, some observers seemed pleased at the judge's seeming cultural appropriation of yoga while observing that it was as American as apple pie, noting that yoga came to the US more than a century ago with the arrival of the first Indian mystics and spiritual figures. Paramahamsa Yogananda lived in the US in the 1920s, and is in fact, thought to be the first Indian pubic figure to be entertained at the White House in 1927 - by President Calvin Coolidge. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Yoga-passes-secularism-test-in-US/articleshow/20901632.cms so now even Yoga is Secular
Raghav_12 Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 but I am sure it would have failed that test in India.
FischerTal Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 there was no yoga at my high school. all we had was some out of shape gym teacher telling us to run laps and play soccer
ravishingravi Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Hmm. Secularism doesn't pass "secularism" test in India.
nikred Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Hmm. Secularism doesn't pass "secularism" test in India. :two_thumbs_up:
DomainK Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Hmm. Secularism doesn't pass "secularism" test in India. :haha:
FischerTal Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 naaah :headshake: we just do it differently wonly :dontmentionit: Here is a sample : https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Aurangzeb+Road,+South+Avenue+Lane+Area,+Tughlak+Road+Area,+New+Delhi,+Delhi,+India&hl=en&ll=28.596957,77.216935&spn=0.00974,0.021136&sll=40.705306,-73.96388&sspn=0.538219,1.352692&oq=Aurangze&hnear=Aurangzeb+Rd,+South+Avenue+Lane+Area,+Tughlak+Road+Area,+New+Delhi,+Delhi+110001,+India&t=m&z=16 Thats Aurangzeb Road and Tughlak Rd interesting Prithviraj Road ... right smack in the middle of the capital ... :wink3: do you mean intersecting? :hmmm:
Crookbond Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Some key points missed in the TOI-let paper article. A judge ruled Monday that the Encinitas Union School District can teach yoga, siding with administrators who argued that the practice was a secular way to promote strength, flexibility and balance and rejecting pleas of some parents who said the classes were inherently religious and violated the constitutional principle of separating church and state. Yoga is a religious practice, but not the way the district teaches it, Judge John S. Meyer of San Diego Superior Court said. He emphasized that the district stripped classes of all cultural references, including the Sanskrit language. The lotus position was renamed the “crisscross applesauce” pose. A lawyer for two Encinitas parents said he would most likely appeal. About 30 families have opted out of the classes. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/us/california-judge-allows-yoga-in-schools.html
Muloghonto Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 naaah :headshake: we just do it differently wonly :dontmentionit: Here is a sample : https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Aurangzeb+Road,+South+Avenue+Lane+Area,+Tughlak+Road+Area,+New+Delhi,+Delhi,+India&hl=en&ll=28.596957,77.216935&spn=0.00974,0.021136&sll=40.705306,-73.96388&sspn=0.538219,1.352692&oq=Aurangze&hnear=Aurangzeb+Rd,+South+Avenue+Lane+Area,+Tughlak+Road+Area,+New+Delhi,+Delhi+110001,+India&t=m&z=16 Thats Aurangzeb Road and Tughlak Rd interesting Prithviraj Road ... right smack in the middle of the capital ... :wink3: 3 crackpots who treat human lives like water intersecting. How appropriate. PS: Still waiting for you on the babri masjid thread.
FischerTal Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Some key points missed in the TOI-let paper article. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/us/california-judge-allows-yoga-in-schools.html criss-cross applesauce??? :WTF:
Sachin=GOD Posted July 4, 2013 Author Posted July 4, 2013 Some key points missed in the TOI-let paper article. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/us/california-judge-allows-yoga-in-schools.html did you read the TOI article? If not, here are the same points in that article: While some 30 families pulled their children out of the classes, saying teaching of yoga in schools blurred the line between church and state and "represents a serious breach of the public trust," many parents backed the program, which the school said was also aimed at curbing aggressive behavior and bullying. School authorities said in court that they had removed all religious elements from what was taught to the students, including the use of the word Namaste and substituting Sanskrit name of asanas with English ones. For instance, Padmasana, usually called lotus pose in English, became ''criss cross apple sauce'' in Americanese to appeal to children.
Crookbond Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 did you read the TOI article? If not' date=' here are the same points in that article:[/quote'] Of course I read but it may be misleading, Sanskrit references are not religious per se.
FischerTal Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 :girl_sigh: awww thats cho chweet of you CC give him some raddish, he will be happy and go back into a cave :secret:
Muloghonto Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 :girl_sigh: awww thats cho chweet of you CC Last week you called DM as CC. Now i am CC. Who is this CC and you better seek help, since its clear that whoever this CC is, he scarred you pretty bad.
FischerTal Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 What was your username earlier BelieveInChe ? chepujaradon.... why??? :hmmm:
beetle Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Just like that....was just wondering yeh kaun hai (10,269 posts) Did you have a third name too....?
FischerTal Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Just like that....was just wondering yeh kaun hai (10,269 posts) Did you have a third name too....? nope.... its just my vacation and im bored....... :((
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