The Outsider Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 As always you don't get the point. Not the first time or not the the last time. They should vote for better governance if you vote for a corrupt and a one which takes no responsibility for security of people there will be consequences.its sad that everyone has to pay for it. You are the one missing the point - there is no such thing as collective responsibility in such events. I am sure many who died in 9/11 did not vote for Bush, neither did many who died in Bombay vote for Congress.
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Its ridiculous how these Pakis always blame others for all the faults in their country. Pak army and government supported these terrorists and used them as part of their strategy in Kashmir and Afghanistan. When these terrorists were involved in attacks in other countries, they didnt bat an eyelid. But now when they are not dancing to their tunes, Pakistan is now supposed to be a victim who is fighting somebody else's war. Besides that, I'm sure Pak army is involved in some of these attacks to get more money from USA in the name of fighting terror. They were giving shelter to Osama close to Islamabad itself because they wanted to keep minting money from USA. That's how corrupt these people are. you forgot one more country ... USA ... who was Osama ? CIA operatives trained Osama bin ladin and others ... and dont tell me you dont know who was talibans in 90's ? and sorry bro, but have you any idea if Pak army failed to control Taliban, thn what will happen in India ??? just Imagine for a minute ... even the US technology is not that advanced to stop suicidal attacks .... (and plz dont give me the reply that you will Nuke the talibans etc ) Past is Past .... we need to move forward ... every country has their policies ... today's friends, tomorrow's enemies ... the united states is a big example for you .... No other country can survive like we do ... and you need to understand that a destabilize pakistan is not good for India ...
BlackMamba Posted February 5, 2014 Author Posted February 5, 2014 you forgot one more country ... USA ... who was Osama ? CIA operatives trained Osama bin ladin and others ... and dont tell me you dont know who was talibans in 90's ? and sorry bro, but have you any idea if Pak army failed to control Taliban, thn what will happen in India ??? just Imagine for a minute ... even US technology is not that advanced to stop Suicide attakcs .... (and plz dont give me the reply that you will Nuke the talibans etc ) Past is a Past .... we need to move forward ... every country has their policies ... today's friends, tomorrow's enemies ... the united states is a big example for you .... No other country can survive like we do ... and you need to understand that a destabilize pakistan is not good for India ... Good point mentioned. But is Pakistan in general and Pakistanis in particular -- applying that principle? You can run around the bush, not address the elephant in the room, avoid eye-contact with main problem, blame the Russians, Americans and Martians -- but you will agree with me that Pakistanis Jihadist Policy was supported and nurtured for one and only one reason -- India. OK let us for a minute assume, Past is Past and everybody makes mistake - right ? Can you stand up with a hand on your heart and assure us all -- that your aggressive, radical jihadist policies are not supported in Pakistan against India today?
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 ^ brother, we are not beating around the bush ... we are facing the realities on the ground .... we are doing our best ... for the future of asian sub-continent ... half of the world behind those talibans and Osama and supported them in early 90's ... In past we supported Jihadist in Kashmir ... (reason starts from 1947 and so on ... off-topic) as far as we know , we dont support them (Jihadist) now ... not even in Kashmir ... whatever resistance you are facing in Kashmir today is a backlash what Indian Army doing in last 65 years or so ... (kashmir issue is an off-topic in this thread) Indian Army cant handle bunch of Jihadist with AK-47 .... what will they do if Taliban goes out of control in Indian border ... what all we can say is that ... forget about Kashmir issue ... India is not out of Danger from Talibans ...
BlackMamba Posted February 5, 2014 Author Posted February 5, 2014 ^ brother, we are not beating around the bush ... we are facing the realities on the ground .... we are doing our best ... for the future of asian sub-continent ... half of the world behind those talibans and Osama and supported them in early 90's ... In past we supported Jihadist in Kashmir ... (reason starts from 1947 and so on ... off-topic) as far as we know , we dont support them (Jihadist) now ... not even in Kashmir ... whatever resistance you are facing in Kashmir today is a backlash what Indian Army doing in last 65 years or so ... (kashmir issue is an off-topic in this thread) Indian Army cant handle bunch of Jihadist with AK-47 .... what will they do if Taliban goes out of control in Indian border ... what all we can say is that ... forget about Kashmir issue ... India is not out of Danger from Talibans ... You obviously did not place your hand on your heart to answer this? :winky: You keep saying in the past, in the past as if you do not do anything now? I will just name a couple, who roam around freely in Pakistan TODAY not in 1947 -- Hafeez Syed and Masood Azhar. 15 years from now when there will be blast in Peshawar and the person responsible could be one of the above 2 and we shall discuss this. Because people like you said the same thing about Mast Gul 15 years ago. You can say whatever you want about Taliban -- and who encouraged them and created them, but there is no denying that Pakistan smooched and went to bed with Taliban/Radicals 20 years ago and re-produced more of them - because of one and only one issue - Kashmir/India. Even today people like you try to identify and distinguish between good and bad terrorists. Oh Kashmir Terrorists are good and Taliban are bad. This has been the downfall of Pakistan and sadly enough nobody seems to recognize that.
Desi Cartman Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Abey Chal, even now your army are training terrorists and helping them sneak into India. What do you think the firing on the loc is for, Diwali ? Has Pakistan stopped collecting Chanda to support Kashmiri freedom movement. Lol Problem is that even educated pak are not honest, as clear in your post. Osama was protected by your army and it's amreeka fault. In short, "Kashmir banega Pakistan" mission is destroying Pakistan now. Good luck
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 You obviously did not place your hand on your heart to answer this? :winky: You keep saying in the past, in the past as if you do not do anything now? I will just name a couple, who roam around freely in Pakistan TODAY not in 1947 -- Hafeez Syed and Masood Azhar. 15 years from now when there will be blast in Peshawar and the person responsible could be one of the above 2 and we shall discuss this. Because people like you said the same thing about Mast Gul 15 years ago. You can say whatever you want about Taliban -- and who encouraged them and created them, but there is no denying that Pakistan smooched and went to bed with Taliban/Radicals 20 years ago and re-produced more of them - because of one and only one issue - Kashmir/India. Even today people like you try to identify and distinguish between good and bad terrorists. Oh Kashmir Terrorists are good and Taliban are bad. This has been the downfall of Pakistan and sadly enough nobody seems to recognize that. Abey Chal' date=' [b']even now your army are training terrorists and helping them sneak into India. What do you think the firing on the loc is for, Diwali ? Has Pakistan stopped collecting Chanda to support Kashmiri freedom movement. Lol Problem is that even educated pak are not honest, as clear in your post. Osama was protected by your army and it's amreeka fault. In short, "Kashmir banega Pakistan" mission is destroying Pakistan now. Good luck 1. I think you are beating around the bush now ... (kashmir , kashmir , kashmir ) if you think Hafiz saeed and Azhar masood are taliban , thn good luck to your knowledge about Kashmir Jihad .... Guess what ? the news about Mast Gul you heard from some journalist is not valid .... the investigation is still going on ... brother try to read the history of taliban thn talk to me plz ... 2. sorry brother, my Bad ,,,, i should have known the people i am trying to address do not understand the difference of afghan taliban, Pakistani TTP taliban ,Kashmir Jihadists and CIA operatives. Things are not as Simple as they seem. hmmm, and you dont want me to tell you about the Indian manufactured Guns and weapons were found in Balochistan ? and also how many "agents" we arrested in last year from lahore with fake Identities .... and what about Sarabjit Singh ? did he came for Diwali in Pakistan ?? http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/was-sarabjit-singh-a-raw-agent/article1-1055309.aspx and tell me first who was Osama bin ladin and who trained him ? and how US just got "Blowback" ... thn i will tell you that he was in pakistan or not .... Its the same USA who invaded the Iraq for the so called "WMD" .... and the whole World believed them .... and thanks for our spineless "Democrazy" Governments (PPP, PML-N) , the largest Embassy of the United States (after Baghdad) is going to be build in the Heart of Islamabad. I am an Honest person, it doesnt mean i have to agree with your thoughts .... becoz what all you know is from Internet ... I know more thn that ... and in before someone starts the typpical CIA/MOSSAD/RAW "kanspiracy" BS for my posts .... must see this .... A TTP terrorist with US Army, the Marine Corps tattoo in the backmore thn that according to post mortem report he wasnt a muslim becoz of no circumcising this pic is for public ... cant share more stuffs ... :winky:
randomGuy Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Try n build public opinion in pak abt kashmir being part of india is acceptable to Pakistan and then india will be a great friend
BeautifulGame Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 1. I think you are beating around the bush now ... (kashmir , kashmir , kashmir ) if you think Hafiz saeed and Azhar masood are taliban , thn good luck to your knowledge about Kashmir Jihad .... Guess what ? the news about Mast Gul you heard from some journalist is not valid .... the investigation is still going on ... brother try to read the history of taliban thn talk to me plz ... 2. sorry brother, my Bad ,,,, i should have known the people i am trying to address do not understand the difference of afghan taliban, Pakistani TTP taliban ,Kashmir Jihadists and CIA operatives. Things are not as Simple as they seem. hmmm, and you dont want me to tell you about the Indian manufactured Guns and weapons were found in Balochistan ? and also how many "agents" we arrested in last year from lahore with fake Identities .... and what about Sarabjit Singh ? did he came for Diwali in Pakistan ?? http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/was-sarabjit-singh-a-raw-agent/article1-1055309.aspx and tell me first who was Osama bin ladin and who trained him ? and how US just got "Blowback" ... thn i will tell you that he was in pakistan or not .... Its the same USA who invaded the Iraq for the so called "WMD" .... and the whole World believed them .... and thanks for our spineless "Democrazy" Governments (PPP, PML-N) , the largest Embassy of the United States (after Baghdad) is going to be build in the Heart of Islamabad. I am an Honest person, it doesnt mean i have to agree with your thoughts .... becoz what all you know is from Internet ... I know more thn that ... and in before someone starts the typpical CIA/MOSSAD/RAW "kanspiracy" BS for my posts .... must see this .... A TTP terrorist with US Army, the Marine Corps tattoo in the backmore thn that according to post mortem report he wasnt a muslim becoz of no circumcising this pic is for public ... cant share more stuffs ... :winky: The difference is US trained terrorists in Pak/ Afgan . Whereas Pak actively encouraged extremism within country and trained their own citizens for Jihads . And now reaping the effects. And Taliban will never gain any foothold in India because they wont find any support for their ideology unlike in Pakistan.
BeautifulGame Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 ^ brother, we are not beating around the bush ... we are facing the realities on the ground .... we are doing our best ... for the future of asian sub-continent ... half of the world behind those talibans and Osama and supported them in early 90's ... In past we supported Jihadist in Kashmir ... (reason starts from 1947 and so on ... off-topic) as far as we know , we dont support them (Jihadist) now ... not even in Kashmir ... whatever resistance you are facing in Kashmir today is a backlash what Indian Army doing in last 65 years or so ... (kashmir issue is an off-topic in this thread) Indian Army cant handle bunch of Jihadist with AK-47 .... what will they do if Taliban goes out of control in Indian border ... what all we can say is that ... forget about Kashmir issue ... India is not out of Danger from Talibans ... Pls search the amount of terrorist attacks we faced in 90s and 2000s. Not in Kashmir but in ROI.
hhunaeh Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 A TTP terrorist with US Army, the Marine Corps tattoo in the backmore thn that according to post mortem report he wasnt a muslim becoz of no circumcising Keyboard warrior is like a mini-me of zaid hamid. :hysterical:
Utalk Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Legacy of Zia policy is showing its effects. Pakistani establishment is responsible for the mess country is in today. We should have learnt from 65 that there was no military solution to the kashmir issue. After succeeding in ousting a dead horse in USSR from Afghanistan our army and military establishment naively thought they could free kashmir through them mujahedeens. They didn't realise that the west and US were not interested in that and without political pressure military strategy never succeeds. They were successful in stoking fire in kashmir valley because public sentiment by and large was in their favour. To begin with militancy was locally lead by JKLF but then pakistan brought their hired guys from pashtun belt. JKLF that had local and international support was stabbed in the back by Pakistani agents like this Mast Gul. I remember the whole JKLF military wing leadership was wiped out by pakistani militants but pakistani media blamed it on Indian army. Once musharaf changed state policy these guys were left in isolation. Ideally they should have been rehabilitated but pakistan army leadership had their heads buried in sand. Afghan Taliban story is the same where we tried to treat Afghanistan as our state and control it through Taliban. God knows what will happen if Taliban take control of Afghanistan. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk
rahulrulezz Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Legacy of Zia policy is showing its effects. Pakistani establishment is responsible for the mess country is in today. We should have learnt from 65 that there was no military solution to the kashmir issue. After succeeding in ousting a dead horse in USSR from Afghanistan our army and military establishment naively thought they could free kashmir through them mujahedeens. They didn't realise that the west and US were not interested in that and without political pressure military strategy never succeeds. They were successful in stoking fire in kashmir valley because public sentiment by and large was in their favour. To begin with militancy was locally lead by JKLF but then pakistan brought their hired guys from pashtun belt. JKLF that had local and international support was stabbed in the back by Pakistani agents like this Mast Gul. I remember the whole JKLF military wing leadership was wiped out by pakistani militants but pakistani media blamed it on Indian army. Once musharaf changed state policy these guys were left in isolation. Ideally they should have been rehabilitated but pakistan army leadership had their heads buried in sand. Afghan Taliban story is the same where we tried to treat Afghanistan as our state and control it through Taliban. God knows what will happen if Taliban take control of Afghanistan. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk THIS! Firstly Rip to all the innocents. Sad stuff. Keyboardwarrior- learn from this guy. Kwarrior, if u educated guys like u still think Kashmiri jihadists and Taliban are different, the god help Pakistan. As Utalk mentioned, Kashmiri militancy is a mistake and they are no different than you good or bad taliban. Btw, Kw, can't believe u branded CIA into the category of terrorists like talibans or Kashmiri jihadists. And big lol at the pic u posted. Seriously dumb asses like u shud be kicked in ur nuts for spreading cons,piracy theories and eventually getting innocents killed in Pakistan. U r no less than a Taliban by burying ur head in sand or making conspiracies up
Debutant Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Pakis deserve this. They have created the monster to destroy India but now it is destroying them. Karma. Not a shred of sympathy for the pakis.
Tailender Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Its ridiculous how these Pakis always blame others for all the faults in their country. Pak army and government supported these terrorists and used them as part of their strategy in Kashmir and Afghanistan. When these terrorists were involved in attacks in other countries' date= they didnt bat an eyelid. But now when they are not dancing to their tunes, Pakistan is now supposed to be a victim who is fighting somebody else's war. Besides that, I'm sure Pak army is involved in some of these attacks to get more money from USA in the name of fighting terror. They were giving shelter to Osama close to Islamabad itself because they wanted to keep minting money from USA. That's how corrupt these people are. Great analysis. Thanks for speaking on behalf of us. :hatsoff: - So Pakistan isn't a victim of terrorism? "Supposed to be a victim" - LOL Do you really think the average Pakistani is responsible for proxy wars? You surely can't be that dense. ----- I hardly think US aid comes anywhere close to the amount of money and human life Pakistan is losing due to the war on terror.
Tailender Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Pakis deserve this. They have created the monster to destroy India but now it is destroying them. Karma. Not a shred of sympathy for the pakis. I don't see you as any different to the people who had no sympathy for the victims of 9/11 that were also a direct result of US proxy wars all across the world. You're a pathetic human being and the lack of humanity is numbing.
Tailender Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 The same Innocent Pakistanis ' date= some, if not all, were the ones who had a smile on their faces when this guy who blew up the restaurant in Peshawar -- was waving his AK-47 in open air threatening Jihad against India, fully supportive of his actions, deeds because it was all against India. You guys had to realize, what you were digging, 15 - 20 years ago. Too late now, the grave has been dug too deep. It is time to start putting mud back in the grave to cover it up -- long way to go. I'm speechless at the totally unfounded and sweeping generalization ... WTF...
Tailender Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Mhm. A casual reader would think what an enlightened paki Utalk is...ready to front up the follies of his leaders, even if it's on a message board. But. How about calling it Jinnah's legacy (instead of the easy target that is Zia) with his two nation theory, that Muslims are incapable of living with Hindus? Did Jinnah have a historical precedent to justify this call. NO. But Hindus could well have had a grievance given the butchery they suffered in the hands of islamist despots. Having their sacred thread ripped off on the order of Aurangzeb who issued a farman to have quintals of the thread deposited in his court every week. Hindus deffo felt the brotherly love of islam. Or how about mentioning the slaughter of Hindus in Calcutta on Jinnah's call for "direct action". Pakis love to bring up Modi, but I'd love to see one mention Jinnah's open call for blood of Hindus. Good luck expecting pakis to be honest enough to mention the toxic foundation and ideology of their country. :winky: In Pakistan it's usually the extremists who criticize Jinnah for being a alcohol drinking pork chop eating secularist. And I think your recollection of history is quit be an oversimplification - not that I, as a liberal would ever support a divisive ideology based on religion. But utalk is right here, it was definitely Zia, and Bhutto that sowed the seeds of hatred that have been directly responsible for extremism - I'm sure Jinnah's actions though have an influence as well. The two institutionalized hate right in the education system and whenever you indoctrinate children, the outcomes are always adverse.
NareshK Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Great analysis. Thanks for speaking on behalf of us. :hatsoff: - So Pakistan isn't a victim of terrorism? "Supposed to be a victim" - LOL Do you really think the average Pakistani is responsible for proxy wars? You surely can't be that dense. ----- I hardly think US aid comes anywhere close to the amount of money and human life Pakistan is losing due to the war on terror. I'm referring specifically to this talk from Pak government and army on how they are fighting somebody's else war when they are the ones who supported and nurtured these terror groups on their own soil for many years for strategic depth in Afghanistan and Kashmir. There are offices for Lashkar e toiba, Jaish e Mohammad in Karachi and other cities in Pakistan and they collect funds from public too. Don't act so innocent. All these terror groups are cut from the same cloth. You can't nurture them one day and act like victims when they bite you the next day.
Muloghonto Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Mhm. A casual reader would think what an enlightened paki Utalk is...ready to front up the follies of his leaders, even if it's on a message board. But. How about calling it Jinnah's legacy (instead of the easy target that is Zia) with his two nation theory, that Muslims are incapable of living with Hindus? Did Jinnah have a historical precedent to justify this call. NO. But Hindus could well have had a grievance given the butchery they suffered in the hands of islamist despots. Having their sacred thread ripped off on the order of Aurangzeb who issued a farman to have quintals of the thread deposited in his court every week. Hindus deffo felt the brotherly love of islam. Or how about mentioning the slaughter of Hindus in Calcutta on Jinnah's call for "direct action". Pakis love to bring up Modi, but I'd love to see one mention Jinnah's open call for blood of Hindus. Good luck expecting pakis to be honest enough to mention the toxic foundation and ideology of their country. :winky: Its not Jinnah's legacy, it is Chaudhry whatzizname's legacy. he came up with the two nations theory, Jinnah simply borrowed it and ran with it as a typical lawyer-turned-politician.
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