surajmal Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Most likely went south. One could posit that the Indian Civilian ATCs could have lapses but our western border (and airspace) is probably among the most densely monitored areas in the world... So if it somehow managed to enter Indian airspace from the south east, it won't leave without being noticed. Malaysian (and Chinese ******s) were stalling (and lying) all along (probably still withholding some information). I'm assuming they ****ed up in their negotiations with the hijackers (if the hijacking did occur). So it was all a charade for the last week. ******s should be ashamed for making for a chewtiya of the world for an entire week. In the meantime good time are coming for Radar makers. Stock prognostication: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I have a hard time imagining this huge plane landing in some tinpot country on an unmarked runway,my guess is its in the bottom of the indian ocean . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If it turns out this plane flew over Indian airspace, what a mess by our Indian military for failing to notice that and not intercepting it. That itself has large security implications. So this is now a big issue for ourselves now as well. To be fair - the plane may have flown over a lot of countries. it appears as if most were caught napping. In the hindsight, Malaysia AF should have sent a plane to track the unidentified aircraft as it hung in their airspace for so long. Same would apply to some of the others as well if the plane happened to cross their air space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 One post I read on Yahoo comments: As a professional pilot, I believe the pilots are responsible. They were in cahoots with someone on the ground who set up a remote location for the landing and subsequent hiding of the 777. The passengers and crew were killed when the pilots, even possibly one pilot, dumped the cabin pressure at 35,000 feet and didn't initiate an emergency descent to 10,000 so everyone could breath after the oxygen in the masks ran out. Airliners don't have enough oxygen for the passengers to breath indefinitely. The pilots, on the otherhand have oxygen for hours. But no matter, once the passengers have died of hypoxia they could repressurize the cabin and take their time. And that's what they did. They disabled every communications system they could get to. At least four voice radios, two transponders, the datalink to the airline headquarters, and the Inmarsat system. They had plenty of time to collect the cell phones of every passenger, living or not, and shut them off or simply destroy them. This plane was flown by experts, not crazy terrorists. I know it's diabolical, and reads like a Tom Clancy book, but I believe this aircraft landed safely. At least safely enough for the pilot(s) to get away. Sure, it takes 10,000 foot runways to take off in a 777, but you only need about 3500 feet to land. Even less if you don't care about damaging it. This may come down to simple theft. The plane might have been carrying some precious or high dollar cargo and someone wanted it badly enough to murder 230+ people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Some good graphics/schematics: Possible paths^ Runways in the range^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Highlights from the Malaysian PM's message: * It is confirmed that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. * Later, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control. * The aircraft shown in Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar previously is confirmed as flight MH370. This is based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider. * MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest. * The last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8:11AM Malaysian time on Saturday, March 8. * Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane. * The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact to refine the search. * The plane’s last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. * Authorities have refocused investigation into the crew and passengers on board. * Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, authorities would still investigate all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path. * Malaysia ends operations in the South China Sea and reassessing the redeployment of assets. Authorities are working with the relevant countries to request all information relevant to the search, including radar data. * As the two new corridors involve many countries, the relevant foreign embassies have been invited to a briefing on the new information today by the Malaysian Foreign Ministry and the technical experts. * The Foreign Ministry has been instructed to provide a full briefing to foreign governments which had passengers on the plane. * Malaysia Airlines has been informing the families of the passengers and crew of these new developments since this morning. * 14 countries, 43 ships and 58 aircraft involved in the search to date Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) are part of the investigation team together with relevant Malaysian authorities. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Highlights from the Malaysian PM's message: both satellite and air force radar pointing at the same location ensures the plane was on that track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I expect new theories to emerge as it takes longer to find the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 WSJ small video on what it takes to disable all communications from the plane ezRwRsCmmTc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I have a hard time imagining this huge plane landing in some tinpot country on an unmarked runway' date='my guess is its in the bottom of the indian ocean .[/quote'] haha.but not even a trace?unimaginable mate,i think there is a whole different(supernatural) angle to this case.finding the plane would now be termed as a phenomenon more like serendepity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 both satellite and air force radar pointing at the same location ensures the plane was on that track. Looking at both the last known location (military radar) and possible location at 8 11 am, still a few questions remain Based on last confirmed communication b/w the plane and satellite at 8 11am: Northern corridor: The plane was originally heading towards that path (on its way to Beijing) and had the option to turn towards Khaz side when flying over Vietnam/Thailand (even after turning off communications systems in the open zone b/w Mal-Viet. One reason to go west and get back on that corridor would be to create confusion or may be they intended to land in Burma / Thailand (crime gangs) Southern corridor: Indonesia and than it is all sea with tiny islands including DG. Or the plane wanted to just fly over the ocean undetected for a short period while their associates on the ground were negotiating w/ Malaysia and probably China And the most advanced tracking system is likely to be on DG, but no word from US about it including data received. It is like DG doesn't exist PS FlightRadar24 co-founder thinks that the plane will be tracked down eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 so the transponder was shut before the good night communication with the pilot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 :--D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Missing aircraft couldn’t have entered our airspace undetected: India "There has been no oil slick, no flotsam or a sonar ping to indicate that the jetliner crashed anywhere close to where the search operations are being carried out. Details available with us are vague. Our search teams require a particular starting point from where to begin looking. We have searched all the islands but there were no signs of the aircraft," Rear Admiral Sudhir Pillai, chief of staff, ANC, said. Air traffic controllers at Kolkata have also ruled out the possibility of the missing aircraft flying through Indian airspace, one of the two possibilities that Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak suggested at a news conference in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday. If this theory was correct, the aircraft couldn't have avoided the Kolkata Flight Information Region. Officials suspect that there is an arrangement between Malaysia and US agencies. Not sufficient of what Malaysia knows is being transmitted to India or other countries involved in a 'wild goose chase'. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Missing-aircraft-couldnt-have-entered-our-airspace-undetected-India/articleshow/32093403.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 so the transponder was shut before the good night communication with the pilot... When you don't get clues from the sky, you start at the ground. But appears as if the Malaysians are only beginning to investigate now .... Recently started searching the pilots' homes! China has criticized Malaysia too for not releasing info in a timely manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 :--D Only people truly in love w/ India are Pakis and some neighbors, I am not too sure that the rest would get much satisfaction out of hurting Ind .... Assuming that the plane flew for 6 hours or so, it could have hit Ind or any of the major targets near by including the Twin Towers in KL, if it wanted to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFlow Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 None of Pakistanis boarded the plane. Stop acting stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 None of Pakistanis boarded the plane. Stop acting stupid. Which is why the chances of Ind being the target are less :winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 worth a read and might just fit the puzzle... NEW DAILY MAIL ARTICLE Police are investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest. The Mail on Sunday has learned that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an ‘obsessive’ supporter of Malaysia’s opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years. Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia’s ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges. Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2w4j4YV00 NEW DAILY MIRROR ARTICLE Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality - illegal in Malaysia - only hours before flight MH370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew on board, the Sunday Mirror can reveal. And in a new twist, it emerged that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family's home the day before the plane's disappearance. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...#ixzz2w4jQtge8 I find it interesting the pilot's wife and children moved out the day before this happened it seems the pilot may have been suffering a personal crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 This was just posted on Tomnods twitter- https://twitter.com/ThisDigitalLtd/s...256385/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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