India vs Pakistan - who really has been the better side over the years?

[Austin 3:!6]

Dil Dil & Pak bros chill maar yaar :two_thumbs_up:

[Asim]

^ dil dil... maar to raha hey, why u guys disturbing him :--D

[coffee_rules]

Both suck

+1

[Asim]

Thanks bro! Have a safe flight back home and 6 months rest till Australia with hopefully Malik and Kami in the test side. Cheers.

+ Afridi our Test captain

[nballa]

Firstly, nice attempt at trying to pass off as an Indian fan by using ''we'' in the earlier post. The ''in India'' bit later gave it away though. Secondly, try to read what is being written properly. Come back when your team manages to win a WC or any ICC trophy. Till then keep trolling and be deliberately obtuse. Good night, troll.

firstly i was saying 'in india' because im currently in usa. secondly go learn basic math. even kinndergarten boys know 75>50

[coffee_rules]

head to head is exactly what it means' date=' one team has more wins and is better. no need to bring up type of tournaments, importance of matches etc etc. its typically the losers who are at the bad end of the loss column who bring up this stuff. [b']im sorry but until we erase that h2h deficit to pak we are not a better team than them. it might take a few years maybe a decade or more.

:wtf: How does HTH make the only criteria? Your preferences and loyalties are pretty well known.

[Midfielder]

'3 additional major trophies' is still 3 games. how does it offset h2h? is this some bizzaire math logic they teach you in india thesedays?

H2H is meaningless. The pakistan umpires were the scums of the earth and those results cannot be taken seriously.

[vijay50]

head to head is exactly what it means, one team has more wins and is better. no need to bring up type of tournaments, importance of matches etc etc. its typically the losers who are at the bad end of the loss column who bring up this stuff. im sorry but until we erase that h2h deficit to pak we are not a better team than them. it might take a few years maybe a decade or more.

So if it is so easy to win tournament finals, then why didn' t pakistan win many finals. What if we don't play pakistan that much in next ten years, but were able to do well against other countries. Do you still think India is still crap against Pakistan based on overall H2H.. Oh the brainwashing based on H2H.

[Dil Dil India]

firstly i was saying 'in india' because im currently in usa. secondly go learn basic math. even kinndergarten boys know 75>50

Nice try at a coverup troll! I am not sure what ''kinndergarten'' is, but just so you know your numbers are wrong (expected of a troll). Like I said, come back when your team wins a WC or a big trophy, troll! Till then enjoy the bilateral wins over Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

[Yoda-esque]

Nice try at a coverup troll! I am not sure what ''kinndergarten'' is, but just so you know your numbers are wrong (expected of a troll). Like I said, come back when your team wins a WC or a big trophy, troll! Till then enjoy the bilateral wins over Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

It's simple,you just have to get him to say "Pakistan sucks,India rocks" It's an infallible test and quite a few members have been subjected to it

[Midfielder]

Home > Cricket > Special Get Rediff headlines in your inbox ! The Rediff Special/Balwinder Singh Sandhu March 10, 2004 Balwinder Singh Sandhu The media hype was missing for the India-Pakistan series in 1982/83, but the overall environment was very similar. When we went out there, the people were very hospitable. The hostility between India and Pakistan is because of politicians; the normal Indians and Pakistanis are the same. I was lucky to get a chance to make my debut in the fourth Test of the 1982/83 series. Before the toss, Madan Lal reported unfit and it was only then that I realized my time had come. Imran Khan, at his peak, was bowling in-swingers that had the top-order batsmen in trouble at all times. Most of the batsmen, with the exception of Mohinder Amarnath, were playing him on the back foot. When I came in to bat, India were already seven wickets down at 72. But I steeled myself to survive in the middle. "Wrist toot jaye; Jo bhi ho jaye, Imran ko wicket nahi deni. He can hurt me but he cannot get me out," [sandhu top-scored for India with 71 off 88 balls, including 9 fours and 2 sixes] Mohinder was batting well at the other end and he was a great help. Every now and then he would come and speak a few encouraging words. He inspired me. He was always like that: very supportive of the younger players, making them comfortable and always helping whenever possible. The wickets in Pakistan are flat and do not encourage bowlers. Added to that, we had to get the Pakistani batsmen out caught in the slips or bowled, because none of the close decisions went our way. The umpiring was very biased. I was batting with Mohinder, when I saw that Sarfaraz Nawaz was over-stepping the crease by almost a foot. I brought this to the umpire's attention by drawing a line with my bat. So the next time, Sarfaraz over stepped, the umpire called out to him and said, "Sarfi yaar ball todhi peeche se dal, tu no-ball dal raha hai [sarfaraz, you are bowling no-balls, bowl from a little behind]." "Tu apna kaam kar [You do your work]," said a clearly annoyed Sarfaraz within earshot. To which the umpire retorted, "Main to kar raha hoon, par Sandhu dekh raha hai [i am doing my job, but Sandhu is watching]." During those days Imran did a great job of keeping the team together. I saw the true picture of Pakistan cricket when Imran went off the field to get some treatment on his shins. There were four former captains in the side, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Abdul Qadir, Wasim Bari and Javed Miandad. As soon as Imran was off the field, all of them started trying to set the field. This went on for five minutes and so frustrated was the umpire that he loudly said, "Yaar, ek captain bano na bhai [Friends, let's have one captain]." This is not the case today, as Inzamam-ul-Haq is a nice chap and a very good cricketer too. If there is one regret I have, then it is that we could not be as aggressive as we should have been. That's because everyone was talking about it being a goodwill tour and how it is important not to ruffle feathers. My advice to our cricketers who will be going to Pakistan later this month: Expect no mercy; show no mercy. The Pakistanis will do anything to win. They will try all methods; by hook or by crook they will want to win. Woh kuch bhi kar sakte hai [they are capable of doing anything] because this series means a lot to them. The matches will be interesting to watch and if India get on top, then we must not allow Pakistan even a sniff of a chance. Even more important: once on top, ignore Miandad. If they lose, he will get very tough on the team. He is a bad loser and will start mouthing a lot of stuff. Ignore him. The madder he gets, the better for us. The Indian team should go and wish the man sitting next to Miandad, but not wish him. He was a great cricketer, but if we wish to win we must ignore him on and off the field. For the Test series we will need Anil Kumble and Ajit Agarkar to get back into the team. If Ashish Nehra is back to full fitness he could be India's best bowler. The conditions there suit his style of bowling. The Pakistanis will try to tackle Zaheer Khan by playing safely against him. That means they will try and hit the other bowlers for runs and that is where they [the bowlers] might get wickets. There has been talk about naming the series after Kapil Dev and Imran. But to me, personally, Kapil will always be the greater cricketer of the two. Simply because he never tampered with the ball; he always played fair. Balwinder Singh Sandhu, a member of India's 1983 World Cup-winning team, spoke to Ashish Magotra. This is how pakistan plays. Now do you think H2H makes any difference.

[Asim]

H2H is meaningless. The pakistan umpires were the scums of the earth and those results cannot be taken seriously.

yar we were even ready to reverse our WRONG decisions but look what happened? Phir khud hi btao kya kartey?

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[Midfielder]

yar we were even ready to reverse our WRONG decisions but look what happened? Phir khud hi btao kya kartey?

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That was a nice gesture. It still does not compensate for countless episodes of cheating.

[Utalk]

Midfielder you are getting tiresome. You put superior H2H down to Pakistani umpires but if you look at facts mate they tell us an entirely different story. Pakistan has 55% win ratio against Ind at HOME with Pakistani umpires AND.. Has 63% win ratio in Ind with your umpires. In test cricket since I have been watching 1987 we have won four tests in your backyard and only two at home. Now a team that dominated you at your place with your umpires in both forms wouldn't need home umpires to beat you at home. We won two tests in your own backyard in 99 when you were unbeatable at home. Like I said you guys are clearly the better side now and have been for a decade but these conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

[coffee_rules]

^ Discount the HTH is all he is saying. 87 and 99 are good wins and clearly Pak was the better team, but 83 is because of bottle caps and umpires. Back to 89 with neutral umps it is 0-0 with our inferior team.

[deathmonger]

Midfielder you are getting tiresome. You put superior H2H down to Pakistani umpires but if you look at facts mate they tell us an entirely different story. Pakistan has 55% win ratio against Ind at HOME with Pakistani umpires AND.. Has 63% win ratio in Ind with your umpires. In test cricket since I have been watching 1987 we have won four tests in your backyard and only two at home. Now a team that dominated you at your place with your umpires in both forms wouldn't need home umpires to beat you at home. We won two tests in your own backyard in 99 when you were unbeatable at home. Like I said you guys are clearly the better side now and have been for a decade but these conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

You're falling into logical quandary my friend. Blackbirds exist. Doesn't mean all birds are black. Just because Pakistan defeated India in India does not mean that they were innocent once in Pakistan. Maybe Pakistan would have defeated India in Pakistan anyway with fair means but now we'll never know.

[Utalk]

^ Discount the HTH is all he is saying. 87 and 99 are good wins and clearly Pak was the better team' date=' but 83 is because of bottle caps and umpires. Back to 89 with neutral umps it is 0-0 with our inferior team.[/quote'] So we should discard H2H because of one clouded series. I agree that India has the edge due to 2011 WC but you cant disregard H2H because Pakistan has a fantastic record in Ind esp in ODIs. Most of us will not hesitate in admitting that Ind has dominated us in world cup games and would expect sane ICFers acknowledge that Pakistan was the better side in bilateral encounters. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

[Midfielder]

Midfielder you are getting tiresome. You put superior H2H down to Pakistani umpires but if you look at facts mate they tell us an entirely different story. Pakistan has 55% win ratio against Ind at HOME with Pakistani umpires AND.. Has 63% win ratio in Ind with your umpires. In test cricket since I have been watching 1987 we have won four tests in your backyard and only two at home. Now a team that dominated you at your place with your umpires in both forms wouldn't need home umpires to beat you at home. We won two tests in your own backyard in 99 when you were unbeatable at home. Like I said you guys are clearly the better side now and have been for a decade but these conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

You are right. I should have added ball tempering and seam lifting too. My fault, I forgot. The bottom line is you were not bad but not ten ft tall as your supporters claim.

[Utalk]

That was a nice gesture. It still does not compensate for countless episodes of cheating.

That was completely out of order by Imran. I am huge fan but he had no right to call Srikant back. It looked bad on him and Pakistan. It implied that Imran was running the game. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

[Utalk]

Regarding pathetic home umpiring I will never forget 87 home series against Eng. I am ashamed till this day because that was some horrible biased umpiring. Feeling was that Eng umpires deprived Pakistan of a series win in 82 series and again there was some horrendous umpiring in 87 tour but to me that doesn't justify what shakil khan and shakoor rana did. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk