Sachin=GOD Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Off topic but an interesting piece... 'You Have The Right To Remain Silent.' Or Do You? http://www.npr.org/2014/10/05/353893046/you-have-the-right-to-remain-silent-or-do-you?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20141012&utm_campaign=mostemailed&utm_term=nprnews
Brainfade Posted October 12, 2014 Author Posted October 12, 2014 S=G, here is another one: Civil Asset Forfeiture Every year, federal and state law enforcement agents seize millions of dollars from civilians during traffic stops, simply by asserting that they believe the money is connected to some illegal activity and without ever pursuing criminal charges. Under federal law and the laws of most states, they are entitled to keep most (and sometimes all) of the money and property they seize. You don't to be charged with a crime for the State to confiscate your property. Watch this (John Oliver): 3kEpZWGgJks
yoda Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 But' date=' realize that they let the woman walk only when they found new evidence that she was innocent. Why would you release a terrorist-suspect unless evidence has accumulated that they were wrongly convicted in the first place? If someone obviously committed an act of terror, and there is no evidence that may exonerate them, they will never be released.[/quote'] So your solution to wrongful conviction is to keep them alive forever so they have a chance to free themselves sometime before they die. :winky:
Mariyam Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 I was watching Mahabharata yesterday (the new version) and Krishna says Krodh mein kiya kaarya pratishodh hota hai lekin dhairya se kiya kaarya, nyaaye hota hai (A deed done(decision taken) in anger is revenge but a deed done with patience is justice) I think this is very relevant particularly for today's age and is what is keeping us from stooping to the level of the criminals themselves and keeping us civilized Its not necessarily so much about retribution vs justice. The intention of a death penalty is also to serve as a detterent. And I'd say that the death penalty is a stronger deterrent than life imprisonment.
Brainfade Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 So your solution to wrongful conviction is to keep them alive forever so they have a chance to free themselves sometime before they die. :winky: And your solution to wrongful conviction is to kill them before anyone finds out they were wrongly convicted? Listen, I have said 3x in the same thread that the root of the problem is the wrongful convictions. No justice system will ever be perfect. As we try to improve the system, let's give these people at least a fighting chance at redemption.
coffee_rules Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 And your solution to wrongful conviction is to kill them before anyone finds out they were wrongly convicted? Listen, I have said 3x in the same thread that the root of the problem is the wrongful convictions. No justice system will ever be perfect. As we try to improve the system, let's give these people at least a fighting chance at redemption. Like the Anti-dowry law that gets misused rarely, but catches the criminals 99.99% of the time. How often does wrongful convictions happen?
Brainfade Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 Like the Anti-dowry law that gets misused rarely' date=' but catches the criminals 99.99% of the time. How often does wrongful convictions happen?[/quote'] From the Innocence Project (USA stats only): What I am trying to communicate in this thread (and failing badly) is that a death sentence is vastly different from every other sentence. Why is it vastly different? Because, in all other cases, you have an opportunity to make things right. So, one can "tolerate" a 2 - 5 % error. But if a death sentence is carried out before justice can be done, it is full and final. Over the years of the Innocence Project, 18 death row inmates have been released based on new evidence. That's 18 people who got a semblance of their life back. Some were young enough that they could start a new life and be productive members of society.
Old guy Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 What is more important ..saving life of some one innocent or killing the guilty? ...:hmmm:
Tiger80 Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 From the Innocence Project (USA stats only): What I am trying to communicate in this thread (and failing badly) is that a death sentence is vastly different from every other sentence. Why is it vastly different? Because, in all other cases, you have an opportunity to make things right. So, one can "tolerate" a 2 - 5 % error. But if a death sentence is carried out before justice can be done, it is full and final. Over the years of the Innocence Project, 18 death row inmates have been released based on new evidence. That's 18 people who got a semblance of their life back. Some were young enough that they could start a new life and be productive members of society. Is USA justice system benchmark for whether death penalty should be given or not ?
Tiger80 Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 What is more important ..saving life of some one innocent or killing the guilty? ...:hmmm: What about repeated offenders. Please tell me death penalty should be given to them or not. If court has convicted a person in 3 or more different cases then chances of that person being innocent almost none
Brainfade Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 Is USA justice system benchmark for whether death penalty should be given or not ? I live in the US, and am talking specifically about the justice system here. Maybe the rate of wrongful convictions is lower in other countries, and you probably have some data to prove it. Do share.
Old guy Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 What about repeated offenders. Please tell me death penalty should be given to them or not. If court has convicted a person in 3 or more different cases then chances of that person being innocent almost none Repeat offence of what ? Are you sure that most people on death penalty are on repeat offence ?
Detonator Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 What is more important ..saving life of some one innocent or killing the guilty? ...:hmmm: you can save some one innocent by killing the guilty
surajmal Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 India is a poor country. It is cheaper to execute than to hand out life sentences. Death penalty (where befitting) all the way.
Old guy Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 you can save some one innocent by killing the guilty Is death penalty given before crime or afterwards ?
Detonator Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 India is a poor country. It is cheaper to execute than to hand out life sentences. Death penalty (where befitting) all the way. Agree. In the Dark Knight Returns comic, Batman says this to joker, "How many people I have killed by letting you live".
Detonator Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Is death penalty given before crime or afterwards ? one is guilty only after the crime dood. no one is saying to give death penalty before crime, say for .... planning a crime :dontknow:
Old guy Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 one is guilty only after the crime dood. no one is saying to give death penalty before crime, say for .... planning a crime :dontknow: Then how do you know how to kill someone which will save life?
coffee_rules Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 From the Innocence Project (USA stats only): What I am trying to communicate in this thread (and failing badly) is that a death sentence is vastly different from every other sentence. Why is it vastly different? Because, in all other cases, you have an opportunity to make things right. So, one can "tolerate" a 2 - 5 % error. But if a death sentence is carried out before justice can be done, it is full and final. Over the years of the Innocence Project, 18 death row inmates have been released based on new evidence. That's 18 people who got a semblance of their life back. Some were young enough that they could start a new life and be productive members of society. Yes, it is a valid argument, but we should use these arguments to refine the justice system better rather than mask the issue. It is a big deterrent to stop somebody from committing the crime. Without that people will not hesitate to commit a heinous crime. In software perspective, we need to fix the bug in code and not dump the whole product.
Raghav_12 Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Is death penalty given before crime or afterwards ? Great way to put your point. In a case, which is relevant to this particular line of thought, few members of Verappan gang are on death row. They committed gruesome crime in early 90's and killed scores of policemen with landmines and this is beyon reasonable doubt so no chance of false conviction. But IIRC some of the people of this group are in late 70's, completely sick, incapable of carrying themselves. Moreover organization which they belonged to is long dead. Whose life you are saving by executing this set of people?
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