Shivaji bhonsle Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Irrespective on whom it was aimed at, it does point to a deterioration in the communal situation. And no, it's not the equivalent of of accepting positive remarks from him. In politics, praise of a different ideology is par for the course, but the criticism is not so. Anyhow, I don't take Obama's remark seriously, but brought them in the discussion so you don't think I am the only one who is saying such things. Modi's poster boy has alluded to them as well. Confidentially? I think you meant with confidence. You are bringing personal anecdotes in a conversation about facts, which you asked for. I provided facts and figures and you are claiming your personal anecdotes hold greater value. Can you please explain why your personal anecdotes and experiences are greater than mine? What I am saying about Bihar is based on the facts you requested. To answer your larger point there is a movement under way to defeat BJP in Bihar. Few years back I couldn't have imagined chearing for Laloo but jaahils have an amazing way! Which among Giriraj, Adityanath, Niranjan, and Sakshi is not a repeat offender. The fifth option is none of the above. Maybe its aimed at Bobby jindal who is demonizing Muslims in USA and looking for Christians votes. How do you know?
bulbul Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe its aimed at Bobby jindal who is demonizing Muslims in USA and looking for Christians votes. How do you know? He have sources everywhere. Even in Obama's office.
Texan Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe its aimed at Bobby jindal who is demonizing Muslims in USA and looking for Christians votes. How do you know? Didn't you know that rationality has no place when attacks on Modi are concerned?
Precambrian Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Obama even rescheduled the state of union address and rushed to india to attend republic day functions at modi's invite because he wanted to give a speech where he could have a subtle go at modi , Jaahilian logic!
asterix Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe Obama wanted to give positive signals to the Saudis before travelling there, due to change in itinerary.... :giggle: Imagine secular people wanking themselves dry over that Obama message... :giggle: This is how they've to pass there time for the next 15 years...
Sachin=GOD Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 DD Gujarat official sent to Andamans for airing Jashodaben news Doordarshan has transferred one of its assistant directors from Ahmedabad to Andamans after the national broadcaster's Gujarati channel aired a news item on Prime Minister Narendra Modi's estranged wife Jashodaben. Read more at: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/46072088.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst&from=mdr
bulbul Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 DD Gujarat official sent to Andamans for airing Jashodaben news What's the problem here? he is getting free trip. It costs a lot of money if any of us want to tour Andaman.
Sachin=GOD Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 No Obama, CCTVs removed: Centre NEW DELHI: Nearly 800 CCTV cameras were removed from the city once US President Barack Obama left Delhi, the Centre admitted before the Delhi high court on Friday. The court was hearing an application filed by amicus Meera Bhatia seeking that 15,000 CCTV cameras installed for Obama's security should not be removed in light of incidents like the Nirbhaya gang rape. In response, additional solicitor-general Sanjay Jain clarified that the CCTVs hired were numbered 850 and not 15,000. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/No-Obama-CCTVs-removed-Centre/articleshow/46073200.cms
Khalpat Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Irrespective on whom it was aimed at, it does point to a deterioration in the communal situation. We all agree on communal situation, and it is worsening world wide not only in India. But who exactly is responsible for that? Mr Modi? Come on even you know that it is not the case. IMO, Communal and secular words should be replaced with Pro Muslim and Not Pro Muslim across the world. Despite of so many religion, caste and creed it is this religion which always determines whether we are communal or not. We make fun of guy keeping fast on Tuesday and that is totally secular but we cannot even think about saying anything funny about someone doing Namaj, no science no technology in that case it is our duty. We can make fun of Sikh person turban or Jain's cloth but no we cannot say anything against the prisoner type topi and dress of Muslim. Our Secular credential is always determined by how much respect we show to one particular religion, ironic isn't it? That is why no secular no communal no fascist. Just two words normal or Pro Muslims. The reason why we are discussing and arguing is also just because of that one religion. You hate our Prime Minister just because of that one religion. And their story is also so good, they came to our country, unlike Buddhists or Sikhs they killed thousands and looted, we did not said anything. they said we are Badshah and we will rule you, we said ok. They said we will take additional tax from you guys, we said ok. when the kingdom time got over and they were asked to live wih us in Democracy they said no" if we will not rule you, we will not live with you." We want partition, we said ok. Then they realized that one of the state has Muslim Majority , they said we won't take any orders from Hindu Rulers of Delhi, give us independence. They said we won't follow your law , we will have our own law of four marriage. Our whole political dialogue revolves around what they are thinking and you dare say anything against any of the above things, you will be termed with bad words. Each and every political party try to make them happy. First time in the history of modern India here is the PM who has not said a word for them niether in favour nor against. He treats them just as normal Indians like others, what is wrong if someone asks them about their population increase. After all it is increasing, why should we always have this fear of being labelled Anti Muslim. The person who cannot love his own religion, his own country, his own faith will never ever be able to give respect to other faith.
Precambrian Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 DD Gujarat official sent to Andamans for airing Jashodaben news Conveniently omitting the fact that the news item was aired in December as well. So why was the official who aired it in December not transferred, but only the official who aired it in January was? Jeez, media :facepalm: Further, its a transfer. Given choice of Andaman or Gujarat, I'd gladly take the former.
The Outsider Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 We all agree on communal situation, and it is worsening world wide not only in India. But who exactly is responsible for that? Mr Modi? Come on even you know that it is not the case. IMO, Communal and secular words should be replaced with Pro Muslim and Not Pro Muslim across the world. Despite of so many religion, caste and creed it is this religion which always determines whether we are communal or not. We make fun of guy keeping fast on Tuesday and that is totally secular but we cannot even think about saying anything funny about someone doing Namaj, no science no technology in that case it is our duty. We can make fun of Sikh person turban or Jain's cloth but no we cannot say anything against the prisoner type topi and dress of Muslim. Our Secular credential is always determined by how much respect we show to one particular religion, ironic isn't it? That is why no secular no communal no fascist. Just two words normal or Pro Muslims. The reason why we are discussing and arguing is also just because of that one religion. You hate our Prime Minister just because of that one religion. And their story is also so good, they came to our country, unlike Buddhists or Sikhs they killed thousands and looted, we did not said anything. they said we are Badshah and we will rule you, we said ok. They said we will take additional tax from you guys, we said ok. when the kingdom time got over and they were asked to live wih us in Democracy they said no" if we will not rule you, we will not live with you." We want partition, we said ok. Then they realized that one of the state has Muslim Majority , they said we won't take any orders from Hindu Rulers of Delhi, give us independence. They said we won't follow your law , we will have our own law of four marriage. Our whole political dialogue revolves around what they are thinking and you dare say anything against any of the above things, you will be termed with bad words. Each and every political party try to make them happy. First time in the history of modern India here is the PM who has not said a word for them niether in favour nor against. He treats them just as normal Indians like others, what is wrong if someone asks them about their population increase. After all it is increasing, why should we always have this fear of being labelled Anti Muslim. The person who cannot love his own religion, his own country, his own faith will never ever be able to give respect to other faith. That's quite an Islamophobic rant. To show how hollow and full of twisted facts it is, I'll just pick on one point. The percentage of population of Muslims in India is expected to stabilize around 18%, made through well thought out projections. That is no reason for the alarm being raised by the Hindutva groups. That percentage in no way makes India even close to being a Muslim dominated country. And one of the significant reasons that the percentage of population of Muslims is increasing compared with Hindus is because of a better sex ratio among all age groups - the prevalence of females being aborted is lower among Muslims than in Hindus. Hindutva groups would do better to stop that practice than spread doomsday rumors divorced from facts.
Khalpat Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 That's quite an Islamophobic rant. To show how hollow and full of twisted facts it is, I'll just pick on one point. You should have been in politics man. You picked the only point which was the weakest of all in the argument made by me. Good one! if only congress would have some leaders like you they would not have been decimated. The percentage of population of Muslims in India is expected to stabilize around 18%, made through well thought out projections. That is no reason for the alarm being raised by the Hindutva groups. That percentage in no way makes India even close to being a Muslim dominated country. And one of the significant reasons that the percentage of population of Muslims is increasing compared with Hindus is because of a better sex ratio among all age groups - the prevalence of females being aborted is lower among Muslims than in Hindus. Hindutva groups would do better to stop that practice than spread doomsday rumors divorced from facts. I agree with you. Totally. The population of Muslims is not going to overtake at any moment in the coming years. But you missed the complete point. The reason for partition of India was that few portions pre-independece had muslim dominated populations and they did not wanted to live with India as they were uncomfortable being in the country which they ruled but now will be governed through democracy and most likely by Hindus. This is the same reason why one of the state in Northern PArt of India is asking Independece. Their logic is same, since we are mostly Muslim give us freedom. Infact during the election campaign recently the PDP and NC leaders repeated that vote for us or else a Hindu will become CM. (Now by the logic of Secular and Communal, those guys should have been labelled communal but that is not the case, they are secular atleast in India because the only condition of being called Secular is being Pro-Muslim.) If this has been the case in recent history which has made a population of Majority Community to be fearful. You can call them fearful to the extent of being cynical but they are not communal, they have no problem even if BJP makes Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi or Najma Heptullah the PM of this country.
Sachin=GOD Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 4 बच्चे पैदा करने को कहा, 35-40 पिल्ले तो नहींः साध्वी प्राची बीजेपी नेता साध्वी प्राची ने उत्तर प्रदेश के विश्व हिंदू परिषद के सम्मेलन में रविवार को आपत्तिजनक भाषण दिया। उन्होंने अपने संबोधन में कहा, 'मैंने चार बच्चे ही पैदा करने को कहा था तो भूकंप आ गया, 35-40 पिल्ले पैदा करने को तो नहीं कहा था ।' प्राची ने एक समुदाय विशेष पर टिप्पणी की, 'ये लोग जो 35 40 पिल्ले पैदा करते हैं और फिर लव जिहाद फैलाते हैं उस पर कोई बात नहीं करता। http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/state/uttar-pradesh/others/why-an-issue-asked-for-only-4-children-not-40-puppies-says-sadhvi-prachi/articleshow/46088325.cms
randomGuy Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 lets say hindus are 80 n muslim are 15. If muslims produce 3 babies, hindus produce 1.5 baby per couple for 1 generation (20 years). Hindus will eventually become ~60 n muslims will be ~22.5 due to the above assumed birth rate sustained for 20 years. i dont believe in the projection tht muslim population will stabilize at 18%. it may or may not.
randomGuy Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Also the census tells the overall population of Muslims across all age groups. It is ~15%. But in age group 0 to 40, the population percentage could well be 20% +. So the effective muslim population is already 20%+ and they continue to produce more babies per couple. My guess is the muslim population stabilize at 30-35% minimum....
seedhi Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 That's quite an Islamophobic rant. To show how hollow and full of twisted facts it is, I'll just pick on one point. The percentage of population of Muslims in India is expected to stabilize around 18%, made through well thought out projections. That is no reason for the alarm being raised by the Hindutva groups. That percentage in no way makes India even close to being a Muslim dominated country. And one of the significant reasons that the percentage of population of Muslims is increasing compared with Hindus is because of a better sex ratio among all age groups - the prevalence of females being aborted is lower among Muslims than in Hindus. Hindutva groups would do better to stop that practice than spread doomsday rumors divorced from facts.Is there some study or some facts and figures backing up this hypothesis of yours? The fertility rate of Muslim women (i.e. number of children per woman) is significantly higher than Hindu women. How does that have anything to do with sex ratio? Even in Kerala where the sex ratio among Hindus is excellent, the Muslim population growth rate is higher than that of Hindus.
randomGuy Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 The 10 years of modi (assuming he will win another term) is basically the final chance to do something abt the demographics (ghar wapsi, correcting history books etc). If by then, nothing is done abt the demographics, it will be too late. Muslims will become too many. Sicular parties will ensure that they get reservations in govt. Jobs colleges etc maybe even army. Country will be secondary n appeasement will be primary overall like its there right now for parties like SP Rjd tmc etc
bulbul Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 The 10 years of modi (assuming he will win another term) is basically the final chance to do something abt the demographics (ghar wapsi, correcting history books etc). If by then, nothing is done abt the demographics, it will be too late. Muslims will become too many. Sicular parties will ensure that they get reservations in govt. Jobs colleges etc maybe even army. Country will be secondary n appeasement will be primary overall like its there right now for parties like SP Rjd tmc etc Good sarcastic post from Salim's supporter :hatsoff:
randomGuy Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Good sarcastic post from Salim's supporter :hatsoff: They work hard n are honest people. I want aap to have one proper chance for this reason. They are much better than congress of course. So if one wants to kill congress forever, it's not too bad to support a party that will kill it(at least in Delhi , maybe in Punjab n elsewhere)
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