amiret Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 For Amiret. Please check the date of the article you have posted.
rkt.india Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Please check the date of the article you have posted. Which means what they are doing is not new.
amiret Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Which means what they are doing is not new. I do not disagree. The parrot has always remain Caged , Only it's corrupt Masters keep changing. In the words of Prashant Bhushan Prashant Bhushan @pbhushan1 Jul 13 CBI raids Teesta but fails to file appeal against bogus discharge of Amit Shah in fake encounters. Obviously Modi govt misusing caged parrot When the prosecution colludes with the accused , there is no hope for Justice and the Courts will look on helplessly. This Caged parrot will also ensure MP police and Govt get a "cl3an ch!t" in the Vyapam scam.
Raghav_12 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Which means what they are doing is not new. UPA was never honest in handling of CBI. There was direct manipulation of CBI in many cases. I recall one incident where CBI raided Stalin's house same day DMK opposed or decided to oppose (I don't remember exactly) UPA in parliament. CBI independence in very doubtful and has been a systematic failure. Earlier it was used by UPA and now by Modi. However Modi government has gone one step further and they are now trying to manipulate judiciary itself which is dangerous sign. Appointment of U A Lalit as supreme court judge and treatment of Gopal Subramanian is clear indication that Modi is trying to control judiciary itself.
amiret Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Which means what they are doing is not new. Since you posted a link regarding a court case on the fake encounter killings ; Let me ask you and other ICF'ers a simple yes or no question : According to you, what is the position/stand of the Gujarat Govt regarding the killings of Sohrabuddin and his wife ? Do they (Guj Govt ) believe it was a fake encounter ? No Googling.
Raghav_12 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Since you posted a link regarding a court case on the fake encounter killings ; Let me ask you and other ICF'ers a simple yes or no question : According to you, what is the position/stand of the Gujarat Govt regarding the killings of Sohrabuddin and his wife ? Do they (Guj Govt ) believe it was a fake encounter ? No Googling. What do you expect when prosecution agency officially is in control of the accused of the cases. Gujrat govt didn't even oppose the bail plea of Mass-Murder convicted Maya Kodnani. One can imagine how much support they will provide to these fake encounter cases. Discharge of Amit Shah from these cases is another example of blatant manipulation of judiciary by Modi and aides. Read following article to understand how things were planned to get Amit Shah discharged from the case where earlier court had enough grounds to keep him in jail for three months and then had provided only conditional bail. It is surprising that at one point CBI had so much evidences and now evidences of CBI are so weak and courts were in so much hurry that he was let off even without a trial. Even Before Amit Shah was Let Off, 'Dilutions' Haunted the Sohrabuddin Case http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/even-before-amit-shah-was-let-off-dilutions-haunted-the-sohrabuddin-case-720463 MUMBAI: In a dramatic order in the Sohrabuddin Sheikh and Tulsiram Prajapati encounter cases, BJP President Amit Shah was exempted from all charges by a special Central Bureau of Investigation or CBI court in Mumbai today. Pending an appeal in a higher court, the order means that Mr Shah will not have to stand trial in the alleged extrajudicial killings of Sheikh and his wife Kauser Bi in 2005 and that of Prajapati in 2006. (Amit Shah Won't be Tried for Murder; Vindicated, Says BJP) The judge systematically debunked the evidence, tying Mr Shah to the killings, produced by the CBI. A case with charges of this magnitude - to be discharged before going to trial - is very, very rare. And yet, the family of Sohrabuddin and lawyers appearing for them said they saw this coming. They pointed to the transfer, in June this year, of Justice JT Utpat, the first CBI special Judge hearing the case since it was transferred to Mumbai. Justice Utpat's transfer came days after he admonished Amit Shah's lawyer for repeatedly skipping court hearings. The transfer had been described as routine, and sought by the judge the previous month. (Amit Shah's Discharge Vindicates BJP's Stand, Says Rajnath Singh) Previously, two of the CBI's point persons deeply familiar with the case, were also transferred. The agency's special prosecutor Ejaz Khan was transferred to Madhya Pradesh in May, ostensibly on a promotion. Sandeep Tamgadge, the investigating officer, is also no longer on the case. (Court Drops Charges Against BJP Chief Amit Shah in Alleged Fake Encounter Killings) The new special prosecutor, PV Raju, stunned lawyers of Sohrabuddin's family when he argued for only 45 minutes against Amit Shah's plea to be discharged. His counterparts in the defense counsel had spent two days making their case before Special CBI Judge MB Gosavi. The bigger shock was yet to come. The CBI said it had no objection to Mr Shah's petition to seek permanent exemption from appearing in the case. This despite lawyers of the victims pointing out that Mr Shah had enough time to visit Mumbai for political events, like the swearing-in of the BJP-led Maharashtra government Those who had fought other encounter cases saw a design since the change of regime. Lawyer Vrinda Grover said, "A change in political regime will have a direct impact on the CBI's functioning. The court is not in a position to meticulously examine each piece of evidence, that can be done in a trial. For the court to say there is no evidence is startling." A charge denied by SV Raju, lawyer for Amit Shah. He told NDTV "There is no substance. The CBI has given an elaborate submission. I pointed out every fact that was against Mr Shah, making it easier for the CBI, and he heard the objections". The debate will rage on. Meanwhile, Amit Shah -- discharged by a court he never set foot in. In a similar development in different case Jagdish Tytler has also been given a clean chit on Sikh Riots of 84. Now, he also has a shot at the PM-ship of India.
rkt.india Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 UPA was never honest in handling of CBI. There was direct manipulation of CBI in many cases. I recall one incident where CBI raided Stalin's house same day DMK opposed or decided to oppose (I don't remember exactly) UPA in parliament. CBI independence in very doubtful and has been a systematic failure. Earlier it was used by UPA and now by Modi. However Modi government has gone one step further and they are now trying to manipulate judiciary itself which is dangerous sign. Appointment of U A Lalit as supreme court judge and treatment of Gopal Subramanian is clear indication that Modi is trying to control judiciary itself. I dont think central govt appoints SC judges. President does on the recommendations of the collegium system.
rkt.india Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Since you posted a link regarding a court case on the fake encounter killings ; Let me ask you and other ICF'ers a simple yes or no question : According to you, what is the position/stand of the Gujarat Govt regarding the killings of Sohrabuddin and his wife ? Do they (Guj Govt ) believe it was a fake encounter ? No Googling. How does Gujarat govt. stand on it matter here?
Raghav_12 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I dont think central govt appoints SC judges. President does on the recommendations of the collegium system. Govt can object the recommendations sent by Collegium system. That's how they had ensured that Gopal Subramanian doesn't become a supreme court judge while earlier he was found competent enough to become the chief lawyer of Government (officially known as Solicitor general). Probably you are right on the part that first recommendation have to come from Collegium system. However collegium system has been done away with after NJAC bill and way for involvement of politicians in appointment has been cleared by Modi govt. Anyways collegium system was far from being perfect and produced lot of dubious appointments over the years.
Raghav_12 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 In Amit Shah discharge case, things are far from being over as things are still being manipulated by people in power. MP police probe indicts Gujarat ex-DGP http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/MP-police-probe-indicts-Gujarat-ex-DGP/articleshow/47560263.cms AHMEDABAD: Gujarat former DGP PC Pande, who was discharged by a CBI court in the Sohrabuddin Sheikh and Tulsiram Prajapati fake encounter cases in February, has been indicted in an inquiry by the Madhya Pradesh CID. The MP police found Pande's involvement in the filing of a false FIR against Sohrabuddin's brother, Rubabuddin, and raiding his house in Jharaniya village in connivance with the then Ujjain SP Manjit Singh Narang. Pande was discharged in the twin fake encounter cases for his 'act of ommission' during investigations. However, during the proceedings, CBI remained silent on his alleged act of influencing witnesses. The MP police went to Rubabuddin's house on January 29, 2009, to arrest him, but could not do so because of his resistance. An FIR too was lodged against him. Rubabuddin complained about this before various forums and the government had to order a CID inquiry into his complaint. The findings, after examining witnesses and court documents, suggested that the FIR was dubious. The report also indicted several other IPS officers for ignoring Narang's act of commission. The report filed by CID investigators in July 2012 said the FIR was filed with mala fide intentions. "The bid to arrest Rubabuddin without a warrant shows that it was aimed at shielding the arrested cops in the Sohrabuddin Sheikh fake encounter case at the behest of Gujarat's DGP," the report says." The MP police sat tight on this report till Rubabuddin, fighting for justice for his slain brother who was a gangster, sought the documents under the RTI Act. After great difficulty and the intervention by the Madhya Pradesh high court, he was given the documents on May 18. However, his fight to get certified copies is on in the HC so that he can challenge the CBI court's discharge of Pande. Sohrabuddin and his wife Kauserbi were killed in November 2005 and his accomplice Tulsiram was killed in December 2006 by Gujarat and Rajasthan cops. Most of the cops accused in the staged killings have been discharged by court or are out on bail. Ratlam: Shahnawazuddin’s brother alleges conspiracy in arrest http://www.hindustantimes.com/indore/ratlam-shahnawazuddin-s-brother-alleges-conspiracy-in-arrest/article1-1362668.aspx
Malcolm Merlyn Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Govt can object the recommendations sent by Collegium system. That's how they had ensured that Gopal Subramanian doesn't become a supreme court judge while earlier he was found competent enough to become the chief lawyer of Government (officially known as Solicitor general). Probably you are right on the part that first recommendation have to come from Collegium system. However collegium system has been done away with after NJAC bill and way for involvement of politicians in appointment has been cleared by Modi govt. Anyways collegium system was far from being perfect and produced lot of dubious appointments over the years. Kitna jhooth bolta hai ye aadmi.Gopal Subramanium was a Congressi and thats why the UPA appointed him as Solicitor General.The SG btw isnt the chief lawyer thats the Attorney General. Now the NJAC bill was passed uanimously by both houses of the Parliament.Why didnt Protest King protest againist it?Nice tactics to blame Modi govt. For it
Raghav_12 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Kitna jhooth bolta hai ye aadmi.Gopal Subramanium was a Congressi and thats why the UPA appointed him as Solicitor General.The SG btw isnt the chief lawyer thats the Attorney General. Now the NJAC bill was passed uanimously by both houses of the Parliament.Why didnt Protest King protest againist it?Nice tactics to blame Modi govt. For it Dude.. a serious suggestion. Learn how to talk in a civilized manner if you want to participate in serious discussion. What lie i gave? When did I say anything on who appointed Gopal Subramaniam. For him being Congressi, to Bhakts any who does eulogize Modi is either Congressi or AAPtard or even Anti-Indian or ISI agent. Solicitor General vs Attorney General was an honest mistake and many people like me gets confused with respect to hierarchy between AG and SG. In context of discussion no material benefit to me by saying that SG is higher than AG. SG is deputy to AG and may play role of AG in his absence.
rkt.india Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I gave you reasons for not getting into a discussion on Hitler. Okay, here goes. Some of our leaders - whatever their parties - have Hitler in them. The first problem is that the public perception of Hitler in India is not 'evil personified'. The war crimes and the killings of six million Jews by him has been seen as a 'distant tragedy'. People often said that India needed a dictator. A dictator so that trains and buses run on time and government officers come to their offices punctually. That even Narendra Modi has not been successful in bringing punctuality in the govt offices is another story. We have had different governments and I can write a long article about that but briefly it is: Nehru government. Phoney socialism. Useless. Total failure. Shastri govt. too little a time to rule. Unknown quantity. Indira Gandhi. Socialism. It didn't work. Dictatorial emergency period, worst. Janata Party. Power struggle and lack of vision. Indira Gandhi back. As bad. Rajiv Gandhi was as dictatorial as his mother, had certainly bills lined up. The transformation started happening inspite of them. In the new millennium. Rao gave the direction. The best period. He knew how to keep Gandhis away. But he was embroiled in court case over buying of MPs. Vajpayee government was smoke and mirror show. Manmohan Singh government in the first term was good, and worse and corrupt in the second term. Narendra Modi government is another smoke and mirror show. They will last this term. Modi may appear dictatorial, and may really be so (the government even before him is collecting enough data, passing enough laws to ensure an absolute control - upar wala dekh raha hai is Indian version of Big Brother is watching - but we don't need to fear dictatorship: 1. Indians by nature are disobedient. 2. Bureaucracy is lazy and corrupt. 3. India is too divided (culturally) to be controlled by one thought / religion. As for Modi's action on Teesta Sitalvad, and the support she has, it is all between the hated RSS and loathed Communists. I have little to add. China and Russia at different times have funded every communist from Abbas to Azmi, and the divided loyalties of some of progressive writers was clearly visible even in their articles and editorials during Indo-China war. I have always believed that India's real problem is red tape and bureaucratic laziness. No party has been able to rein in the bureaucrats. I don't really see any difference whether Modi rules the country or someone else. The Ambanis and Adanis would always be able to get what they want in policies. People are not happy with Mody because of his controlling personality. Those people are in BJP and don't dare to criticise him without looking suspiciously in all directions. That fear is visible among all of them. I don't see the Congress, SP and other political parties scared. The only place where I notice fear is on FB and Twitter. That is the fear of government using laws to get you arrested for dissent and 'defamation' of the politicians. Not only BJP, but SS, SP, and other governments too have created this terror at different times. I don't see why the present government is the worst. Every government has been worse than the other! These are the words of an experienced writer. There was a discussion going on FB.
mishra Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 @rkt. Hitler in India means autocratic leaders. Hitler in West/Rest of world means someone who carried out genocide and world war. So in reality there is NO HITLER in any Indian leaders.
rkt.india Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 @rkt. Hitler in India means autocratic leaders. Hitler in West/Rest of world means someone who carried out genocide and world war. So in reality there is NO HITLER in any Indian leaders. This was in Indian context, not what rest of the world thinks.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Dude.. a serious suggestion. Learn how to talk in a civilized manner if you want to participate in serious discussion. What lie i gave? When did I say anything on who appointed Gopal Subramaniam. For him being Congressi, to Bhakts any who does eulogize Modi is either Congressi or AAPtard or even Anti-Indian or ISI agent. Solicitor General vs Attorney General was an honest mistake and many people like me gets confused with respect to hierarchy between AG and SG. In context of discussion no material benefit to me by saying that SG is higher than AG. SG is deputy to AG and may play role of AG in his absence. You blamed Modi govt of interfering in judicial appointments by not letting Subramanium become a judge..You tacitly omitted that he was appointed SG because of his congressiness and not because Modi govt wanted to interfere.You also questioned the U U Lalits appointment saying it was another attempt of interference in judiciary.You again missed saying that the collegium recommended his name. Calling a liar a liar isnt uncivilised and if you misrepresent fact deliberately you will be called a liar. Secondly the NJAC bill was supported by all political parties so useless to blame Modi again.And no one needs to eugolise anyone.Just need to call.a spade a spade.I dont support Modis Pakistan policy at UFA nkr do i support the NJAC bill.
Raghav_12 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 You blamed Modi govt of interfering in judicial appointments by not letting Subramanium become a judge..You tacitly omitted that he was appointed SG because of his congressiness and not because Modi govt wanted to interfere.You also questioned the U U Lalits appointment saying it was another attempt of interference in judiciary.You again missed saying that the collegium recommended his name. Calling a liar a liar isnt uncivilised and if you misrepresent fact deliberately you will be called a liar. Secondly the NJAC bill was supported by all political parties so useless to blame Modi again.And no one needs to eugolise anyone.Just need to call.a spade a spade.I dont support Modis Pakistan policy at UFA nkr do i support the NJAC bill. His being Congressi is an opinion not a fact. I may subscribe to that opinion or not. I don't become a liar for non-subscription of your opinon. I never stated that Modi govt had appointed him as the SG. It is well known fact and I don't know why I had to state that clearly. NJAC bill was brought by Modi and all politicians want to control judiciary so they all supported. Also collegium systems had its own shortcomings which gave an opportunity to politicians to get their involvement into judge appointment. In long term this move will be regretted.
Khalpat Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Very soon, the word Karma would be replaced by Tweet, atleast in Indian politics: So BJP guys, you were saying something about Parliament disruptions. Modi is paying the price of BJP Central committee during UPA era.
amiret Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Seal porous Bangla border: Supreme Court to govt 1 week old news completely ignored by mainstream news channels and namo's cheerGirl brigade on tooter. NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court today directed the Centre and Assam government to take effective steps on the ground to prevent influx of illegal migrants from Bangladesh observing that making policies is not sufficient to check the menace. The bench said fencing of international border has not been completed and sufficient number of police and BSF personnel have not been deployed near the border to check entry of illegal migrants. "Court directs Centre and Assam government to take all corrective steps. They should take steps for improvement of border roads, electrification of flood lights on border areas. This is the least what they owe to the nation," the bench said. The court in its judgment passed in December last year had said Assam's culture was being eroded and peace and harmony of the area disturbed as it got swamped by persons "who have no right to continue to live in this country resulting in periodic clashes between citizens and migrants". "Not only is there an assault on the life of the citizenry of the state of Assam but there is an assault on their way of life as well. The culture of an entire people is being eroded in such a way that they will ultimately be swamped by persons who have no right to continue to live in this country," it had said. Just like NDA 1 this Govt also seems to be completely incapable of tackling illegal migration from bang. LINK
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