gattaca Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 The targeted nature of the lynching and people ignoring it will cause more riots and not an article. Police and local govt should take care of it. But this will provoke more people. Unfortunately India the big problem is spreading of riots. This kind of news might cause riots in another state.
hhunaeh Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 You talk like criminals escaped..there should be limit to victim mentality..no wonder some people keeo on whining. so you agree hrs killed him, that's good.
hhunaeh Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Police and local govt should take care of it. But this will provoke more people. People have already been provoked by the incident. By hiding the motivation and letting news leak through social media will provoke more people. Now when people see corrective actions taken, it will calm the situation and news media reporting the incident as it happened is one of the ways to get corrective action going in india.
Raghav_12 Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 People have already been provoked by the incident. By hiding the motivation and letting news leak through social media will provoke more people. Now when people see corrective actions taken' date=' it will calm the situation and news media reporting the incident as it happened is one of the ways to get corrective action going in india.[/quote'] No surprise that people want to suppress information which exposes few things about right wing hindus. How someone in sane mind can suggest that a burglary induced murder be reported in same manner as the lynching of a main of specific community by a group claiming to be a defender and guard of other community be reported in same manner. Seems like it has been understood that suppression of all bad information is an alternative way of bringing "achche din".
Number Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 http://www.amarujala.com/feature/states/uttar-pradesh/riot-victim-shubham-rastogi-died-in-merrut/ Didn't see any MSM channel highlighting it by naming the religion.
FischerTal Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 HRS kills a guy for looking like a muslim, so deflect the issue by turning the blame on to sickular media, try to hide the motivation of the killers by telling what the media should and should not report, try to explain away the killing by saying this how things are in india, conveniently forget it is the targeted lynching that is communal and the article is just reporting the facts, but you know what, it is raghav and co who have an agenda :hatsoff: Yes please blame the media when someone is killed for being a hindu and the media tries to hide it but not in this case. Hrs is a right wing extremist group. They killed an innocent techie from Pune. Again why is "Pune techie killed by right-wing extremist group" not the proper headline? Even when muzzafarnagar riots were happening, newspapers were responsible in reporting that there were clashes between two different communities, even though everyone knew it was between jats and Muslims. This is irresponsible reporting, no matter how hard raghav and co try to defend it
FischerTal Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 No surprise that people want to suppress information which exposes few things about right wing hindus. How someone in sane mind can suggest that a burglary induced murder be reported in same manner as the lynching of a main of specific community by a group claiming to be a defender and guard of other community be reported in same manner. Seems like it has been understood that suppression of all bad information is an alternative way of bringing "achche din". The agenda continues to propagate yet some will continue to keep their head in sand
Raghav_12 Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Meet Bhai, man who heads Hindu group blamed for techie’s murder http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/meet-bhai-man-who-heads-hindu-group-blamed-for-techies-murder/ From a small unit limited to Vile Parle area of Mumbai, the Hindu Rashtra Sena (HRS) has grown into a radical Hindu outfit in Maharashtra. Its leader, Dhananjay Desai alias Bhai, 34, is reported to wield strong influence among the youth, particularly in the suburbs of Pune, parts of Mumbai and some districts across the state. Police records show Desai has been named in 23 cases ranging from firearms recovery to extortion and rioting. He was among those questioned in the murder of anti-superstition activist Dr Narendra Dabholkar. Desai is currently in police custody for allegedly distributing pamphlets with objectionable content. Despite the past cases, the state authorities seem to be taking serious note of the HRS only now, after a Muslim techie, Mohsin Sadiq Shaikh, 28, was allegedly murdered by its activists. While 17 HRS activists have been arrested in the case so far, none of them have a criminal record. The Pune police have started compiling a dossier on the HRS with the “criminal records†of Desai and its other members. This is being considered a first step towards proposing a ban on the organisation. Asked if a ban was being proposed, Pune Police Commissioner Satish Mathur said, “It is not a one-day process. We are working in that direction. Documents about HRS activities are being collected.†Police sources said Desai is known to be a rabble-rouser whose aim is to draw the youth, particularly from rural areas and slums, to the radical Hindutva ideology. “A graduate from Tilak College in Mumbai, Desai was inclined towards Hindutva ideology since his childhood,†said Yogesh Kupekar, who supervises the HRS office in Mumbai. “Bhai was influenced by the Shiv Sena in the 1980s. But he wanted to form his own group and work for the cause of Hindutva. So he started working in the name of Hindu Rashtra Sena when he was only 14 years old,†he said. “Bhai was a teenager when he took an open stand against the Muslim mafia who carried out the 1992 Mumbai blasts. The youth got attracted to him due to his fiery speeches and aggressive protests. He soon developed a strong base in Pune and other parts of the state. Bhai got the blessings of Bal Thackeray and many Hindu sants for his dedicated work for Hindutva,†said Kupekar. “However, we found that no political parties, including the BJP, were taking a stand on Hindutva issues. So in 2007, we got the HRS registered as a political party,†he said. The HRS, however, is yet to contest any election. “We supported the BJP-Shiv Sena-RPI (Athavale) alliance (in the Lok Sabha polls). We did not field any candidate as it would have divided the Hindu vote bank. But Bhai held about 100 rallies across the state to campaign for the Shiv Sena, BJP candidates who later emerged victorious, “ said Kupekar. The HRS website, which has pictures of Shivaji, Veer Savarkar, B R Ambedkar and Mahatma Phule, claims it is the only “political party that fights for the cause of God, nation and religion.†It was in April 2007 that the HRS first hit the headlines after its activists targeted the Star News office in Mumbai for airing a story on a minor Hindu girl who wanted to marry a Muslim youth. Desai and his supporters were arrested, but later released on bail. In September 2013, the HRS announced plans to hurl footwear at actor Sanjay Dutt, a convict in the Mumbai blasts, at a cultural programme in Pune. The programme was cancelled, but HRS activists still created a ruckus at the spot. HRS activists were also booked for staging protests outside Dutt’s Mumbai residence in May 2013. The outfit has also taken an aggressive stand in support of Lt Col Prasad Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya and others arrested in the Malegaon blast case. to help us personalise your reading experience. Desai is regularly invited for meetings of Hindu outfits across the country, where he shares the stage with radical Hindu leaders like Pramod Muthalik of the Shri Ram Sene and Himani Savarkar of Abhinav Bharat. Known to move in “convoyâ€, Desai is always accompanied by his bodyguards. Police have observed that a majority of the HRS activists hail from poor families. “Most of the accused (in the techie case) are college dropouts and come from weak financial background,†said DCP (Zone IV) Manoj Patil. While police believe HRS activists raise funds through extortion, Ankush Gaikwad, a state coordinator of HRS, said, “We never extort money. We all follow Bhai because he is a selfless leader. Party workers spend money from their pockets for HRS… our activities are not big budget.†Some of the excerpts from this article. Bhai got the blessings of Bal Thackeray and many Hindu sants for his dedicated work for Hindutva,†We did not field any candidate as it would have divided the Hindu vote bank. But Bhai held about 100 rallies across the state to campaign for the Shiv Sena, BJP candidates who later emerged victorious,
gattaca Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 No surprise that people want to suppress information which exposes few things about right wing hindus. How someone in sane mind can suggest that a burglary induced murder be reported in same manner as the lynching of a main of specific community by a group claiming to be a defender and guard of other community be reported in same manner. Seems like it has been understood that suppression of all bad information is an alternative way of bringing "achche din". Did I say it should be done only for right wing group ? Where did u pull that logic from ? Is it a place where sun doesn't shine?
FischerTal Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Little known right wing extremist group is going to divide votes away on such a large scale to affect a national party's chance of winning LS seat and that too in the year of a Modi wave Raghav and co please continue propagating BS
Raghav_12 Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Little known right wing extremist group is going to divide votes away on such a large scale to affect a national party's chance of winning LS seat and that too in the year of a Modi wave Raghav and co please continue propagating BS Those were not my comments. I quoted things from the article only. Only fool will say that this right wing group has anything to do with BJP's success in these elections. But they connect at some level and draw their strength from these right wing political parties.
FischerTal Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Those were not my comments. I quoted things from the article only. Only fool will say that this right wing group has anything to do with BJP's success in these elections. But they connect at some level and draw their strength from these right wing political parties. Are they in any official relationship with bjp? Does bjp support their views? If they do or bjp leaders are found to support these lunatics, I will be first to condemn bjp, but until then it's all hearsay
hhunaeh Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Hrs is a right wing extremist group. They killed an innocent techie from Pune. Again why is "Pune techie killed by right-wing extremist group" not the proper headline? Even when muzzafarnagar riots were happening' date=' newspapers were responsible in reporting that there were clashes between two different communities, even though everyone knew it was between jats and Muslims. This is irresponsible reporting, no matter how hard raghav and co try to defend it[/quote'] Firstly, there were no riots in pune. It was lynching of random muslims one of whom happened to die. Them being muslims was what drove the lynching and nothing else. There is nothing wrong in reporting facts as they are. So what is wrong in IE's headline? Secondly, I would say it is better to reveal all the facts instead of hiding it. I would like to know more about meerut and muzzafarnagar riots, who got killed and why and not whitewashed nonsense like two communities clashed and there were unfortunate casualties. This just encourages rumor mongering and allows the perpetrators to hide and indulge in riots in the future whenever they see fit. I see nothing wrong in the headline no matter how hard HRS and its right wing apologists try to deflect, hide the facts and bully the media.
Raghav_12 Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Firstly, there were no riots in pune. It was lynching of random muslims one of whom happened to die. Them being muslims was what drove the lynching and nothing else. There is nothing wrong in reporting facts as they are. So what is wrong in IE's headline? Secondly, I would say it is better to reveal all the facts instead of hiding it. I would like to know more about meerut and muzzafarnagar riots, who got killed and why and not whitewashed nonsense like two communities clashed and there were unfortunate casualties. This just encourages rumor mongering and allows the perpetrators to hide and indulge in riots in the future whenever they see fit. I see nothing wrong in the headline no matter how hard HRS and its right wing apologists try to deflect, hide the facts and bully the media. Indian express does a very good job of covering these incidents. Their coverage of muzzaffar nagar riots was also pretty revealing and had given lot of details and sequence of events. Last year I shifted from ToI to Indian express and realized what abysmally low standard crap is catered by ToIlet paper. Must say it is journalism of courage by Indian express.
bulbul Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Firstly, there were no riots in pune. It was lynching of random muslims one of whom happened to die. Them being muslims was what drove the lynching and nothing else. There is nothing wrong in reporting facts as they are. So what is wrong in IE's headline? Secondly, I would say it is better to reveal all the facts instead of hiding it. I would like to know more about meerut and muzzafarnagar riots, who got killed and why and not whitewashed nonsense like two communities clashed and there were unfortunate casualties. This just encourages rumor mongering and allows the perpetrators to hide and indulge in riots in the future whenever they see fit. I see nothing wrong in the headline no matter how hard HRS and its right wing apologists try to deflect, hide the facts and bully the media. so if tomoroow some Muslim guy hit other religion people and headline says Mauslims strarted communal clashes you are ok wit that right?
asterix Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Doing your bit for communalism so if tomoroow some Muslim guy hit other religion people and headline says Mauslims strarted communal clashes you are ok wit that right? Firstly there will never be a headline mentioning a Muslim starting communal clashes. At the most they'll mention a "community" starting communal clashes... That's the unwritten code followed in Secular countries like India... There were recent clashes between Shia and Sunni communities in Hyderabad and it was mentioned only in the last line that the clash was between Shia and Sunnis...
FischerTal Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Firstly, there were no riots in pune. It was lynching of random muslims one of whom happened to die. Them being muslims was what drove the lynching and nothing else. There is nothing wrong in reporting facts as they are. So what is wrong in IE's headline? Secondly, I would say it is better to reveal all the facts instead of hiding it. I would like to know more about meerut and muzzafarnagar riots, who got killed and why and not whitewashed nonsense like two communities clashed and there were unfortunate casualties. This just encourages rumor mongering and allows the perpetrators to hide and indulge in riots in the future whenever they see fit. I see nothing wrong in the headline no matter how hard HRS and its right wing apologists try to deflect, hide the facts and bully the media. This is a communal incident, which can flare up riots if your ilk are allowed to report in the manner that you are, which is clearly happening. Wasn't it the libtards whining about the fact that if 58 Hindus burned by Muslim mob in godhra was highlighted in the news, it would just spread more communal riots? Heck, it was your ilk that continued bashing the same type of reporting which you are defending today. Hypocrisy galore, but nothing else is expected. I see that you would find nothing wrong with this headline because it suits your agenda, which is also quite clearly shown when you group posters with right-wing extremist groups, when there is no connection between the two.
FischerTal Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Journalism of courage by IE? This is the same newspaper that peddled the ripped foetus story in 2002.
Texan Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 the right headline would have been "pune techie killed by right-wing extremist group". of course, raghav and co see nothing wrong with this headline. it fits their agenda Yes, that would have been a more appropriate headline. Nobody reported that "Muslims attacked Indian consulate in Afghanistan" either. Most of the headlines just mentioned them as terrorists without identifying their religion.
hhunaeh Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 This is a communal incident, which can flare up riots if your ilk are allowed to report in the manner that you are, which is clearly happening. Wasn't it the libtards whining about the fact that if 58 Hindus burned by Muslim mob in godhra was highlighted in the news, it would just spread more communal riots? Heck, it was your ilk that continued bashing the same type of reporting which you are defending today. Hypocrisy galore, but nothing else is expected. I see that you would find nothing wrong with this headline because it suits your agenda, which is also quite clearly shown when you group posters with right-wing extremist groups, when there is no connection between the two. The reporting doesn't flare up riots. It is the communal lynching by HRS, deflection and whitewashing by your ilk, lack of police presence and will, and acts like taking out a public procession of the dead victims like moditards did in gujarat that flares up riots. Hypocrisy by me huh? You continuously attack me by saying i have an agenda, call me a libtard but cry about it when i rightfully return the favor and call you out.
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