Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

This analysis has merit.

 

But there were 2 things going against it / covering for it even before the 2nd test started 

 

1 )  Siraj was bowling around 125 k in the 1st test. Looked very slow in the practice match too. Looked unfit and tired. 

 

Choosing a semi-fit pacer is not recommended even if it were Bumrah, forget about a support cast like Siraj. 

 

2 )  In tests in Asia, spinners usually take the lead and can cover for inexperienced pacers.  Experienced pacers leading in not really needed. 

 

 

 

 

 

If siraj is not fit, he should have not be selected in the 15, think he is fit but he has been regressing. and may have been conserving thinking he may required to bowl a lot of over since kuldeep is not getting wkts and all the other bowler are new.

 

Yes exp. pacers are not needed but you need 2 potent bowlers who do majority of wkt taking -- Siraj/kuldeep and jadu were three senior bowlers and were not that effective.

 

 

 

[BCCISelector]

Siraj bowled 26 overs across 3 days in the 2nd Test. He bowled a total of 18 overs in the 1st Test. I don't think that is too much workload for a workhorse bowler, especially coming from a 2 month rest.

 

Sure, the conditions were humid, but he never seemed to bowl full tilt, not even at the start of the innings. I don't know if he is fully fit. Prasidh bowled more overs than the "workhorse" at higher pace and was bending his back.

 

It make me wonder what the real reason was for why Siraj was picked and then withdrawn from the Eng/Ireland tour. If the team management knew that he isn't 100% but still picked him over Gurnoor in the 2nd Test, then that's extremely poor from them.

 

 

Edited August 27 by BCCISelector

[express bowling]

41 minutes ago, BCCISelector said:

 

 If the team management knew that he isn't 100% but still picked him over Gurnoor in the 2nd Test, then that's extremely poor from them.

 

 

 

 

True.

 

And there is no way they did not know. 

 

 

[MK55]

I don’t think there are any injury concerns with Siraj. He himself has said that. 
 

Hes just lost his rhythm / pace / whatever u wanna call it. The onus was on him to prepare n condition himself properly while he was away for 2 months. And Gambhir after watching him in the first match should have never played him in the second. 
 

 

"To be honest, I wouldn't say I'm at a hundred percent from my side because I've come back after a two-month break. I've been struggling quite a lot with my rhythm in this situation because I haven't been able to find that rhythm. So I'm just trying to get my rhythm back," the pacer said.

 

 

"But whatever I've been able to do, I'm using my experience and trying to control myself as much as possible while bowling. Because if I think too much, I'll leak runs, I'll come under pressure, and the team will also come under pressure. So my attempt is to keep it simple. If I'm not finding my rhythm, what can I do? I'm just trying to build pressure, build pressure, that's what I'm trying to do," Siraj noted.

 

"Obviously, sir, because I really like responsibility. Whenever a challenge or responsibility comes my way, I really enjoy it, and it brings out a different side of me. So I enjoy that. I don't put too much burden on my body; I just enjoy it," he added.

 

https://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a1804811.html

Edited August 27 by MK55

[tapandrun]

18 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

KARTIK  TYAGI  bowling super quick   in UPT20

 

153.6 kph.  

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcZ_od6TrK3/

 

 

 

 

Breaks stumps with an indipping missile yorker and then an LBW with a rocket.

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcTXJi3Nar6/

 

 

 

Another quick one hits stumps

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcQm1mLuogD/

 

 

 

Tyagi shows lot of confidence in his yorkers in the upt20 compared to ipls is because in ipl unless its a perfect yorker or a perfect low-fulltoss it goes for 4/6.

 

In upt20 the margin of error is big compared to IPL

 

Edited August 28 by tapandrun

[MK55]

The time to pick Tyagi is NOW.

He should be in the Indian playing 11 asap. 

[Rightarmfast]

Was watching highlights of Pakistan and England match. ***YAWN*** Why don't Pakistani bowlers eat some beef? I guess they are lacking. This military medium pace is farking boring! The most boring team currently for sure. 

 

I think Pakistan should request India to lend them some grade C fast bowlers for their International team. We have plenty. 

[Rightarmfast]

7 hours ago, BCCISelector said:

If the team management knew that he isn't 100% but still picked him over Gurnoor in the 2nd Test, then that's extremely poor from them.

 

 

The Indian management is waiting for Gurnoor to lose some 10k's of pace, and then they will give him chance.

 

Siraj is just riding on his past glories. Needs to be trumped by younger bowlers so he realizes he cannot take things so easy. 

[BCCISelector]

Quote

“There are no injury concerns for him. I felt his pace was a little less in this series, but he was playing after a couple of months. It takes time to come back,” Gill said while speaking to the press.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/shubman-gill-mohammed-siraj-injury-colombo-test-draw-india-sri-lanka-2981333-2026-08-27

He played the warmup and two Tests, but yet to find his rhythm. I don't know how many more overs/matches he needs to "come back". Unless he was slacking the whole two months... OTOH, the Australian pace trio start delivering within the first or second game after a long break.

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, MK55 said:

The time to pick Tyagi is NOW.

He should be in the Indian playing 11 asap. 

 

T20 series vs Afghanistan next month.

 

Play both Mayank and Tyagi.

 

 

[express bowling]

 

Archer

 

1st spell of 5 overs in a test match

 

Fastest.   152.4 k

Average. 145.9 k

 

 

Edited August 28 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Archer

 

1st spell of 5 overs in a test match

 

Fastest.   152.4 k

Average. 145.9 k

 

 

SA and Eng right now have multiple test bowlers who can bowl 140+ constantly

 

 

[Suhaan]

Tyagi 153.6

Time stamp-6:37

Commentator clearly mentioning it's official the fastest delivery in any state league,listen any mention of genuine pace and a slight praise gives the viewers and listeners a true adrenaline rush,pace is what brings life to any form of cricket(offcourse not cannon fodder ones)

Other g@@du commentators should credit pace where its due atleast not for your like or dislikes just for the PR of the league 

 

 

Edited August 29 by Suhaan

[Suhaan]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

T20 series vs Afghanistan next month.

 

Play both Mayank and Tyagi.

 

 

Tyagi will be played 5-6 years after Prince Yadav retires 

[Suhaan]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxdtzeouE-HGyJoEcpe2fCw3eFu3cpgauk?si=ExhMzlxTaiIAtTwR

[tweaker]

7 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Tyagi will be played 5-6 years after Prince Yadav retires 

Tyagi should have been preferred over Prince Yadav for Ireland, England series 

[Teengunalagaan]

The issue is some are basing Tyagi should be in the team of raw talent and potential, but it's been 6 years since 2020 U19 WC, he has played only 4 FC and 20 List A matches, I am assuming half of his T20s would have come in IPL. It's hard to blame selectors for not picking someone who has barely played in 6 years.

The issue is much deeper, it's the system failing with fast bowlers again and again, not with one bowler but repeatedly with multiple fast bowlers.

 

Format	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10w
FC	4	7	480	241	7	2/15	3/40	34.42	3.01	68.5	0	0	0
List A	20	20	929	920	34	3/24	3/24	27.05	5.94	27.3	0	0	0
T20s	50	49	1017	1592	47	3/22	3/22	33.87	9.39	21.6	0	0	0

Edited August 29 by Teengunalagaan

[MK55]

50 minutes ago, Teengunalagaan said:

The issue is some are basing Tyagi should be in the team of raw talent and potential, but it's been 6 years since 2020 U19 WC, he has played only 4 FC and 20 List A matches, I am assuming half of his T20s would have come in IPL. It's hard to blame selectors for not picking someone who has barely played in 6 years.

The issue is much deeper, it's the system failing with fast bowlers again and again, not with one bowler but repeatedly with multiple fast bowlers.

 

Format	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10w
FC	4	7	480	241	7	2/15	3/40	34.42	3.01	68.5	0	0	0
List A	20	20	929	920	34	3/24	3/24	27.05	5.94	27.3	0	0	0
T20s	50	49	1017	1592	47	3/22	3/22	33.87	9.39	21.6	0	0	0

This guy deserves preferential treatment and should be fast tracked. 
Also isn’t ipl supposed to be our premium T20 competition? He performed good in the ipl - among the top wicket takers.

 

The LEAST these morons can do is select him in T20s right now. 

[bouncers]

Read somewhere that BCCI is looking for a county contract for aquib nabi . If it's true selectors will select him for new Zealand series. Then gurnoor will nt play any match as bumrah ,Siraj and prashid / akashdeep will be 3 confirm seamers

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, bouncers said:

Read somewhere that BCCI is looking for a county contract for aquib nabi . If it's true selectors will select him for new Zealand series. Then gurnoor will nt play any match as bumrah ,Siraj and prashid / akashdeep will be 3 confirm seamers

Aquid will need to play test cricket 1st to be selected for county, 2nd division is not that good where players can be selected to test cricket from 2nd division.

But if they really see him as good option for nz and eng then sure give him some exp. but nz pitches are now v.diff , they offer lot more bounce and spongy kind of bounce 

 

if they are sending him to white-ball cricket, not sure what tournament it was where pujara was playing and getting 200s, 150s.

 

There is no need to play arsh, he is already a senior member of t20i side, there is no back-up or 2nd LA pacer, ind should try some other LA pacers now

Edited August 29 by tapandrun