Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[MK55]

3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

there are exceptions than the norm. most indian pacers came in at 140 and resorted to trundling at 125-130 a few years thereafter

Not really in the last 10 years. Anything before that is a different regime and I don’t even consider that. Umesh Ishant Aaron Shami Bumrah have maintained their pace for a long time. I’m sure Mayank Umran will do exactly the same. 
But yeah every now n then we have those bowlers who drop pace rapidly (some even in this series).

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, MK55 said:

On this wicket it would be embarrassing to not get those wickets. Literally the first thing Bumrah said was that he missed bowling on the spiciest track in this series.

 

But experienced Siraj did not manage to do even this. Nor could super experienced Starc. Nothing is a given. 

 

I watched only the highlights of our 2nd innings bowling. But with only 2 specialist pacers bowling for us and the Aussies trying to hit every ball to reach a moderate target, it wasn't that easy. Neither could our pacers bowl flat out as they may have had to bowl too many overs later on, nor was maintaining a good line that easy with Aussies playing T20 style.

 

 

29 minutes ago, MK55 said:

But yeah, he should be persisted for now. 
Needs a lot improvement on his full balls and average pace. Morne needs to do something.

 

Average pace is likely to be ok if 3 pacers are bowling. In the first innings, Prasidh was hovering around 136 k to 142 k consistently. In SA he averaged 139 k+.

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Even in limited overs cricket , we need that variety. 

 

Can't have an attack of Bumrah, Shami and Siraj anymore. 

 

Agree. We need some tall, hit the deck, quicks. Preferably 140 k+. 

 

Need to play Harshit, Mayank and Prasidh by rotation.  Sen too when fit.  (  Prasidh not in T20Is ).

 

A bunch of medium height pacers in their 30s and not at their fastest, won't cut it.  Even Akashdeep is similar.

[MK55]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

But experienced Siraj did not manage to do even this. Nor could super experienced Starc. Nothing is a given. 

 

I watched only the highlights of our 2nd innings bowling. But with only 2 specialist pacers bowling for us and the Aussies trying to hit every ball to reach a moderate target, it wasn't that easy. Neither could our pacers bowl flat out as they may have had to bowl too many overs later on, nor was maintaining a good line that easy with Aussies playing T20 style.

 

 

 

Average pace is likely to be ok if 3 pacers are bowling. In the first innings, Prasidh was hovering around 136 k to 142 k consistently. In SA he averaged 139 k+.

Agree on most of these things. But I expect more in terms of intensity. I know Prasidh has the ability to crank it up to 90 mph. So I want him to do that. No excuses. Also this is his first test match. That’s what separates the great bowlers. When they get the chance they bowl 150 percent.

 

But I’ll persist with him and Rana. 

 

[express bowling]

Boland saved Australia in test 5. Bowled like a slower version of Bumrah. 

 

Starc was below par.

 

Cummins was blowing hot and cold.  More cold than hot. 

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

Agree. We need some tall, hit the deck, quicks. Preferably 140 k+. 

 

Need to play Harshit, Mayank and Prasidh by rotation.  Sen too when fit.  (  Prasidh not in T20Is ).

 

A bunch of medium height pacers in their 30s and not at their fastest, won't cut it.  Even Akashdeep is similar.

Don't know why,but have a feeling Umran will make a return soon

He has that never say die attitude

He will have a say in this upcoming cycle

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

But experienced Siraj did not manage to do even this. Nor could super experienced Starc. Nothing is a given. 

 

I watched only the highlights of our 2nd innings bowling. But with only 2 specialist pacers bowling for us and the Aussies trying to hit every ball to reach a moderate target, it wasn't that easy. Neither could our pacers bowl flat out as they may have had to bowl too many overs later on, nor was maintaining a good line that easy with Aussies playing T20 style.

 

 

 

Average pace is likely to be ok if 3 pacers are bowling. In the first innings, Prasidh was hovering around 136 k to 142 k consistently. In SA he averaged 139 k+.

I think prasidh will merit a few more chances. didn't do a perfect job of course, but showed big improvement compared to SA tour

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Agree on most of these things. But I expect more in terms of intensity. I know Prasidh has the ability to crank it up to 90 mph. So I want him to do that. No excuses. Also this is his first test match. That’s what separates the great bowlers. When they get the chance they bowl 150 percent.

 

But I’ll persist with him and Rana. 

 

 

 

Prasidh won't be a great bowler. But even if we get a solid support pacer, it is still ok. He will get wickets with his bounce.

 

Harshit is lead pacer material and shoild be developed as such. 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Don't know why,but have a feeling Umran will make a return soon

He has that never say die attitude

He will have a say in this upcoming cycle

 

I want Umran in our pace pool too.

 

But here the discussion was about adding height to our pace attack, so did not discuss him. 

Edited January 5, 2025 by express bowling

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

I want Umran too.

 

But here the discussion was about adding height to our pace attack, so did not duscuss him. 

we should get midget nagarkoti too on pitches with low bounce. since he is so short, his balls will scoot along the ground.

[MK55]

Also another good thing about Umran is that he said recently in one of his interviews that he wants to perform and bowl high pace spells in test matches and win matches for the team. I like that attitude. And attitude is the first thing u need.

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Also another good thing about Umran is that he said recently in one of his interviews that he wants to perform and bowl high pace spells in test matches and win matches for the team. I like that attitude. And attitude is the first thing u need.

Fast bowlers are very delicate,they should be handled like beautiful lover

They should be given a safe secure encouraging mental space and care and offcourse physical care as well(Don't get me wrong ,don't bowl them to dust,give proper breaks,provide what they want in field placements etc)

A captain must become his gay brother

 

Disclaimer -people don't get offended,meri Bhavna samjho

Edited January 5, 2025 by Suhaan

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

Fast bowlers are very delicate,they should be handled like beautiful lover

They should be given a safe secure encouraging mental space and care and offcourse physical care as well(Don't get me wrong ,don't bowl them to dust,give proper breaks,provide what they want in field placements etc)

they should be handled like a disney princess in the disney movies, not like how people fantasize about doing "stuff" to disney princesses.

[MK55]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

Fast bowlers are very delicate,they should be handled like beautiful lover

They should be given a safe secure encouraging mental space and care and offcourse physical care as well(Don't get me wrong ,don't bowl them to dust,give proper breaks,provide what they want in field placements etc)

Exactly! Fast bowling is an art and nothing less. It’s highly technical and needs to be respected. U need natural talent or a unique bowling IQ about actions fitness and stuff to get there. People who have bowled would understand.

[express bowling]

Gambhir was praising Siraj non stop in his presser. Much more than Bumrah. Praising his attitude of running in every ball. 

 

But Siraj averaged 31+ in this series as a veteran pacer on very spicy pitches. And was bowling 130 k to 140 k mostly.

 

If Gambhir finds moderately effective brisk medium pace bowling to be very very impressive then it is a cause for worry. Looks like he is looking at inputs rather than outputs. 

 

 

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

Gambhir was praising Siraj non stop in his presser. Much more than Bumrah. Praising his attitude of running in every ball. 

 

But Siraj averaged 31+ in this series as a veteran pacer on very spicy pitches. And was bowling 130 k to 140 k mostly.

 

If Gambhir finds moderately effective brisk medium pace bowling to be very very impressive then it is a cause for worry. Looks like he is looking at inputs rather than outputs. 

 

 

he is just looking at his favs. total clown coach.

[Mosher]

28 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Fast bowlers are very delicate,they should be handled like beautiful lover

They should be given a safe secure encouraging mental space and care and offcourse physical care as well(Don't get me wrong ,don't bowl them to dust,give proper breaks,provide what they want in field placements etc)

A captain must become his gay brother

 

Disclaimer -people don't get offended,meri Bhavna samjho

 

Shami agrees. Need breaks to get recharged

[Suhaan]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Gambhir was praising Siraj non stop in his presser. Much more than Bumrah. Praising his attitude of running in every ball. 

 

But Siraj averaged 31+ in this series as a veteran pacer on very spicy pitches. And was bowling 130 k to 140 k mostly.

 

If Gambhir finds moderately effective brisk medium pace bowling to be very very impressive then it is a cause for worry. Looks like he is looking at inputs rather than outputs. 

 

 

Gambhir is not a bright person,infact India lacks people who are bright in understanding pace bowling

Siraj is part of the clique,this is just cameraops,

Infact Siraj has been way too mediocre,in a way he's defending his Harshit debut delay decision

Edited January 5, 2025 by Suhaan

[Suhaan]

19 minutes ago, Mosher said:

 

Shami agrees. Need breaks to get recharged

This is how you treat your pacers

[tweaker]

BCCI should look after Karthik Tyagi as he is young, tall ,has pace .

 

He should have been played in Duleep Trophy and A team.