vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 5 batsmen needed Bhuvi to bail us out.6 batsmen and still need Bhuvi to bail us out,infact we're in a more desperate situation:cantstop: And if everyone believes 6 batsmen is the way to go,India should atleast find someone better than Nohit. India should learn to focus on taking twenty wickets instead of worrying about protecting possible top order collapse and dream of a record 5th wicket partnership. Puara/Kohli is out of form. So their form will be compensated by Rohit sharma :cantstop:
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 That is whole India's problem:dontknow: We will see what he does today:dance: He will deliver but I am sure people will find some problem with that as well
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Let me explain something here.....during the days when we had fab 4 we had 4 bowlers them being bhajji,kumble,(one of the combination of the seamers who played for us in the last few years). Right now we have jadeja as the 4th bowler who is a 5th bowler at best but his batting is not good enough to be a 6 or a 7'with binny or is the other way round his batting looked ok but the captain has no confidence in him to be the 5th bowler.... So solution is we either play 4 full time bowlers + jadeja or 6 full time batsman +wk+4 full time bowlers. Now here is the issue with option 1 our top order has 2 players already struggling....one of them is not able to convert so tell me what makes sense. Now you may argue rohit is not the solution fair enough but who is the back up middle order player.......so to keep you happy would you agree with the combo of we hade gambhir instead of rohit? :hmmm: If two of the bowlers struggle who will compensate for that :cantstop: Who said i wanted Gamabhir. You mistake me for Rohit hater. I make fun of him. Butt my focus is on helping the less than world class bowling unit whatever way possible to pick 20 wickets. Otherwise.. our bowlers will be tired by half way mark and opposition will pummel into submission. Using the scoreboard pressure they will drown us even on the flattest wicket.
BlueBee Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 He will deliver but I am sure people will find some problem with that as well What the feck will he deliver? Speech "come to india" ?
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 If two of the bowlers struggle who will compensate for that :cantstop: You can get away with brain dead moves like the keeper bowling as a support to 2 remaining bowlers but it will never work the other way around.....the sole reason we are missing the 5th bowler is bcoz we don't have a proper 4th bowler to begin with. Play 4 full time bowlers and use part timers sparingly to give them rest.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 You can get away with brain dead moves like the keeper bowling as a support to 2 remaining bowlers but it will never work the other way around.....the sole reason we are missing the 5th bowler is bcoz we don't have a proper 4th bowler to begin with. Play 4 full time bowlers and use part timers sparingly to give them rest. 4 full time bowlers. ? That means you go with 1 spinner and 3 seamer. If 1 seamer (shami) is not taking wickets.. Just 3 bowlers will have to take 20 wickets between them. After a while they grow tired Opposition will never be out of the game.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 4 full time bowlers. ? That means you go with 1 spinner and 3 seamer. If 1 seamer (shami) is not taking wickets.. Just 3 bowlers will have to take 20 wickets between them. After a while they grow tired Opposition will never be out of the game. Dude the spinner should be a full time spinner not bits and pieces like jadeja. Our 4 bowlers in their prime used to be kumble+bhajji+2 seamers. We can still have 3+1 but unfortunately even Ashwin looks like a bits and pieces player overseas. Look at Ali has stepped up beautifully.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 You have 5 bowlers ok,so let's see....Bhuvi,ishant,pankaj,shami,jadeja So that is essential 3 tailenders....one hack and one lower middleorder player who hit a purple patch but cannot be totally relied upon. Add Aaron/Pandey to the mix same dilemma......Ashwin same as Bhuvi . Add to that out of form opener and no4,one guy who is not able to convert and 2 who have a chance of law of averages catching up soon. Not too hard to see what needs to be strengthened here.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Vvs simple question......kallis and Watson are obviously a luxury for any team to have but who has taken kallis s place.....duminy who is a batsman first not a bowler. If watson is injured,he will be replaced by a batsman not a bowler. Even pakis want hafeez to be replaced by a proper batsman not someone who can bowl Not that hard to see.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Dude the spinner should be a full time spinner not bits and pieces like jadeja. Our 4 bowlers in their prime used to be kumble+bhajji+2 seamers. We can still have 3+1 but unfortunately even Ashwin looks like a bits and pieces player overseas. Look at Ali has stepped up beautifully. Rohit looks like great no.6 batsman. He looks like a freaking tailender. Yesteray he got lucky he was dropped by Anderson. A simple chance put down. Bhuvaneswar looks far more technically sound overseas. :cantstop:
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 You have 5 bowlers ok,so let's see....Bhuvi,ishant,pankaj,shami,jadeja So that is essential 3 tailenders....one hack and one lower middleorder player who hit a purple patch but cannot be totally relied upon. Add Aaron/Pandey to the mix same dilemma......Ashwin same as Bhuvi . Add to that out of form opener and no4,one guy who is not able to convert and 2 who have a chance of law of averages catching up soon. Not too hard to see what needs to be strengthened here. Shami is out of form, Pankaj is rookie, Jaddu is a 0.5 bowler.. So Who do you think should get better support bowling or batting. Vijay , Rahane, BHuvaneswar compensated for all those failures. Binny in one innings, Dhoni in 2 innings. Jaddu in one innings, Bhuvan in 4 innings.. So basically their failure was adequately compenstae by Tail. Not the no.6 batsman.
GautiMaan Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Kallis i think was replaced by Mclaren at first.Even otherwise Duminy is a better bowler than any of our part timers
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Keep in mind Pujara in form + Kohli in form >>>>>>>>>>>> Rohit in form overseas. So the compensation of their out of form is miniscule. India should try to fold them for low total with more bowlers. That way even inadequate batting unit can compete.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Rohit looks like great no.6 batsman. He looks like a freaking tailender. Yesteray he got lucky he was dropped by Anderson. A simple chance put down. Bhuvaneswar looks far more technically sound overseas. :cantstop: Ok let me for a moment agree wih you hypothetically that rohit is a hack-if you want a legit debate you can move on from the statement. who are the backup batsmen in the squad rohit,Saha and gambhir. Is gambhir a middle order player? Is Saha good enough to make it into the side solely as a batsman? So what's the option.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Keep in mind Pujara in form + Kohli in form >>>>>>>>>>>> Rohit in form overseas. So the compensation of their out of form is miniscule. India should try to fold them for low total with more bowlers. That way even inadequate batting unit can compete. Fine if your problem is with rohit sharma as we have established,your whining is fair enough from your perspective but you are whining about a 6+1+4 combo.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Kallis i think was replaced by Mclaren at first.Even otherwise Duminy is a better bowler than any of our part timers That's because he played in srilanka....even though I think jaddu is bits and pieces player he is a better spinner than duminy but as a batsman,duminy is light years ahead.
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Fine if your problem is with rohit sharma as we have established' date='your whining is fair enough from your perspective but you are whining about a 6+1+4 combo.[/quote'] My point is no.6 batsman brings zzilch to a side considering Dhoni, Jaddu, BHuvan can all bat. If youo thrown in Ashwin as well.. That is 4 batsmen. Oodds of one of them clicking is high plus you get 5 genuine bowlers. 6+1+4 is workable solution when one of the 6 batsman is a decent part timer. None of them are. Below average net bowlers in village cricket. To compound the matter our bowling is not really world class. Only way they will get 20 wickets is through having everyone chip in consistently..For that to happen you need to rotate bowlers well. For that you need 5 genuine bowlers .
vvvslaxman Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Ok let me for a moment agree wih you hypothetically that rohit is a hack-if you want a legit debate you can move on from the statement. who are the backup batsmen in the squad rohit,Saha and gambhir. Is gambhir a middle order player? Is Saha good enough to make it into the side solely as a batsman? So what's the option. Ashwin and Jaddu or Ashwin and a Seamer or Jaddu and a seamer You can rotate 4 fast bowlers rotate seamlessly without anyone getting tired . That way you can restrict opposition much more easily . WHen pposition defends smaller total their field set will not be as attacking. with 566 runs to play with they could afford to be.
maniac Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 My point is no.6 batsman brings zzilch to a side considering Dhoni' date=' Jaddu, BHuvan can all bat. If youo thrown in Ashwin as well.. That is 4 batsmen. Oodds of one of them clicking is high plus you get 5 genuine bowlers. 6+1+4 is workable solution when one of the 6 batsman is a decent part timer. None of them are. Below average net bowlers in village cricket. To compound the matter our bowling is not really world class. Only way they will get 20 wickets is through having everyone chip in consistently..For that to happen you need to rotate bowlers well. For that you need 5 genuine bowlers .[/quote'] You don't go with that kind of thinking simple....as I said the replacements for 5th bowlers like kallis,Watson,hafeez,Matthews is always a batsman not a bowler. Similarly for the likes of Bhuvi,m.j,philander batting is a luxury....you don't go with that line of thinking. If jadeja or Ashwin was a world class batsman than maybe you would have a point but that is not the case.
Number Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Ashwin's bowling avg in away games in 75. That's pretty much part timer esque. So why not go with a full time batsman avg 50+ in tests.
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