gattaca Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 DUBAI: Al-Qaida leader Ayman al Zawahri on Wednesday announced the formation of an Indian branch of his militant group he said would spread Islamic rule and "raise the flag of jihad" across the subcontinent. In a 55-minute video posted online, Zawahri also renewed a longstanding vow of loyalty to Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar, in an apparent snub to the Islamic State armed group challenging al-Qaida for leadership of transnational Islamist militancy. Zawahri described the formation of "al-Qaida in the Indian subcontinent" as a glad tidings for Muslims "in Burma, Bangladesh, Assam, Gujurat, Ahmedabad, and Kashmir" and said the new wing would rescue Muslims there from injustice and oppression. Counter-terrorism experts say al-Qaida's ageing leaders are struggling to compete for recruits with Islamic State, which has galvanised young followers around the world by carving out tracts of territory across the Iraq-Syria border. Islamic State leader Abu Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi calls himself a "caliph" or head of state and has demanded the loyalty of all Muslims. The group fell out with Zawahri in 2013 over its expansion into Syria, where Baghdadi's followers have carried out beheadings, crucifixions, and mass executions. As well being an indirect repudiation of Islamic State, the announcement could pose a challenge to Prime Minister Narendra Modi. However, while al-Qaida is very much at home in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area, due to influential contacts and a long presence there, it is a minnow compared to local militant groups in terms of manpower and regional knowledge. (File photo of Ayman al-Zawahri ) Safe haven Over the years Zawahri and his predecessor Osama bin Laden, killed by US forces in 2011, repeatedly pledged allegiance to Mullah Omar, in return for the safe haven he granted their followers in Afghanistan. The statement did not mention Islamic State or Baghdadi, but it appear to take a subtle dig at the group's efforts at administering areas it has seized in Iraq and Syria. Islamic State's effort at state-building is something never attempted by al-Qaida's central leaders, who traditionally have preferred to plot complex attacks on targets in the West. Zawahri called for unity among militants and criticised "discord" — echoing a common al-Qaida complaint against Islamic State's record of clashing with rival Islamist groups in Syria. The statement also warned al-Qaida's new wing against oppressing local populations — another complaint levelled against Islamic State by critics in Iraq and Syria. "If you said that you are doing jihad to defend the sanctities of the Muslims, then you must not transgress against them or their money or honour, and not even transgress your mujahideen brothers by word and action," he said. "Discord is a curse and torment, and disgrace for the believers and glory for the disbelievers," he said. "If you say that by your jihad you do not want but the pleasure of Allah, then you must not race for governance and leadership at the first opportunity." Muslims account for 15 percent of Indians but, numbering an estimated 175 million, theirs is the third-largest Muslim population in the world. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Al-Qaida-announces-India-wing-renews-loyalty-to-Taliban-chief/articleshow/41640746.cms Gujurat, Ahmedabad he doesnt even geography of india.
FischerTal Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 All zawahari needs to learn is some garba :agree:
Sachin=GOD Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Seems like competition from Islamic State put too much pressure on Zawahari. But this could be a very dangerous development for India and the intelligence agencies should start working immediately on countering its spread in India.
Crookbond Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 No place for al-Qaida among Indian Muslims: All India Muslim Majlise Mushawarat http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-place-for-al-Qaida-among-Indian-Muslims-All-India-Muslim-Majlise-Mushawarat/articleshow/41714196.cms LUCKNOW: The apex body of Indian Muslim organizations on Thursday condemned the alleged statement of al-Qaida chief Ayman Al-Zawhiri that his terrorist organization has decided to establish an Indian branch. Zafarul-Islam Khan, president of the All India Muslim Majlise Mushawarat, the apex body of Indian Muslim organizations, in a press statement, said that Indian Muslims totally reject the statement of the al-Qaida chief and consider it a disservice to the cause of the Muslims of South Asia who do not require such meddling in their affairs by a foreign terrorist outfit. Khan said Indian Muslims are loyal citizens of their country and they will fight al-Qaida if it ever tried to create a presence here. Indian Muslims, Khan said, are protected by the Constitution and laws of India and do not need help of a foreign terrorist outfit which has caused so much destruction in the Middle East.
CSK Fan Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Seems like competition from Islamic State put too much pressure on Zawahari. But this could be a very dangerous development for India and the intelligence agencies should start working immediately on countering its spread in India. True, that is why this was a public announcement, something which would be idiotic otherwise. Who announces these things publicly and warns the enemies? But this is also like an announcement for recruitment and in a country as vast as we have, there will be some idiots looking for thus glory too so security agencies need to step up
CSK Fan Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 No place for al-Qaida among Indian Muslims: All India Muslim Majlise Mushawarat http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-place-for-al-Qaida-among-Indian-Muslims-All-India-Muslim-Majlise-Mushawarat/articleshow/41714196.cms We need more sane voices like this. They are already there, but they need to be proactive as well so that youth are stopped from being misled. Well done
Crookbond Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 We need more sane voices like this. They are already there' date=' but they need to be proactive as well so that youth are stopped from being misled. Well done[/quote'] Check the ISIS thread.
Crookbond Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Some more ... Secular Hindus allies, don't need al-Qaida: Indian Muslims http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Secular-Hindus-allies-dont-need-al-Qaida-Indian-Muslims/articleshow/41751377.cms MUMBAI: The country's Muslim leaders say they're allied with secular forces and don't need a foreign, jihadist outfit like al-Qaida to fight for them. Denouncing the creation of AQ's wing in the Indian subcontinent, clerics, progressive activists and community leaders said AQ is a terror group and can't be friends of Muslims, either in India or anywhere else. "Muslims in India believe in the Constitution that guarantees freedom to preach and practise their religion. We're self-sufficient and can solve our problems within the Indian framework. We don't need AQ," said Maulana Mehmood Daryabi, general secretary, All India Ulema Council. Some activists said AQ had earlier declared India among its "enemies". "India with its large Muslim population is an ideal territory for terrorist outfits to target. I'm optimistic AQ won't get much traction here. The overwhelming majority of Muslims don't accept AQ ideology ," said Javed Anand of Muslims for Secular Democracy (MSD), a think tank. Anand added this is the time Muslim religious leaders must denounce jihadist groups like AQ and ISIS. "Al-Qaida cannot be our friend. They're not even true Muslims. They kill innocents. They damage Islam, for they carry out carnage in the name of Islam. If they try to entice our youth, they'll be repulsed. They're enemies of Muslims and we don't need their sympathy ," said M A Khalid of All India Milli Council. Commentators within the community aren't surprised that AQ is trying to entice some Muslim youth to its so-called jihad, but are confident that barring some misguided youth like the four Kalyan boys who allegedly joined ISIS in Syria, Muslims will never get attracted to jihadist cause. "Our best allies are secular Hindus. They've fought our battles whenever injustice has been done to minorities. AQ has no credibility to find a foothold in India," said Urdu columnist Hasan Kamal. Kamal urged Indian Muslims, especially clerics, to speak out against the dangerous designs of al-Qaida and ISIS. "They should rise against AQ's attempt to entrap them in their dangerous terror game," added Kamal. Abdul Hafeez Farroqui of Jamaat-e-Islami (Hind) said AQ would give communal forces another reason to further polarize Indian society. "There's no reason for Indian Muslims to be influenced by al-Qaida ideology ," said Farooqui.
diga Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 now only f the saner & educated muslims voluntarily start opting for uniform civil code too...
CSK Fan Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 now only f the saner & educated muslims voluntarily start opting for uniform civil code too... things move very slow in India. We still have khap panchayats and banana justice in many towns/villages. However, I love how you have singled out one community when all of this si the product of the same mentality and same slow movement
diga Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 things move very slow in India. We still have khap panchayats and banana justice in many towns/villages. However' date=' I love how you have singled out one community when all of this si the product of the same mentality and same slow movement[/quote'] you can include them too... this thread is about that one community , isnt it?
Mariyam Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 now only f the saner & educated muslims voluntarily start opting for uniform civil code too... Hmmm.... The ruling party, you know, has been crying hoarse about the 'preferential' treatment a certain community gets for as long as I can remember. During its last stint at the centre it chose to do nothing about it. Hopefully, this time around, having enough numbers, they can enforce the Uniform Civil Code. If the ruling party fails to take concrete steps towards the Uniform Civil Code this time around, it would be safe to assume that thy need this issue alive just to garner votes by trying to portray to the majority how 'disadvantaged' they are vis a vis the ' prefered' ones.
Mariyam Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 On topic: Me thinks Al-Qaeda's attempt to set up a franchise in India is likely to fail. They won't get enough local business partners.
Raghav_12 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 things move very slow in India. We still have khap panchayats and banana justice in many towns/villages. However' date=' I love how you have singled out one community when all of this si the product of the same mentality and same slow movement[/quote'] Fundamentalism is a root problem, be it Hindu, Muslim or any group. They would just need an excuse to see wrong with other side. and they are every where. Some times they would use religion to divide people. If religion is not a parameter, they use some other caste, race, ancestry what not. Their agenda would always be divisiveness.
CSK Fan Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Fundamentalism is a root problem' date=' be it Hindu, Muslim or any group. They would just need an excuse to see wrong with other side. and they are every where. Some times they would use religion to divide people. If religion is not a parameter, they use some other caste, race, ancestry what not. Their agenda would always be divisiveness.[/quote'] True. And the most amazing thing is that they cannot see how they almost exactly echo what they hate. People here hate islamic fundamentalism, etc but if you look at the statements of some people here and just change hindus to muslims, etc, you will not be able to differentiate between their statements and those of the other side. The same grouping of everyone you hate into same bucket, the same claiming they are always right, others are always wrong, the same talks about appeasement, etc, etc
CSK Fan Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 you can include them too... this thread is about that one community ' date=' isnt it?[/quote'] Nothing will change until the mentality and the root cause behind it changes, is what I am saying. Nothing to do with any community
BlueBee Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Who will take help from the AQs ? What nonsense! No place for al-Qaida among Indian Muslims: All India Muslim Majlise Mushawarat http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-place-for-al-Qaida-among-Indian-Muslims-All-India-Muslim-Majlise-Mushawarat/articleshow/41714196.cms Some more ... Secular Hindus allies, don't need al-Qaida: Indian Muslims http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Secular-Hindus-allies-dont-need-al-Qaida-Indian-Muslims/articleshow/41751377.cms Well said these!
Number Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Counter-terrorism experts say al-Qaida's ageing leaders are struggling to compete for recruits with Islamic State, which has galvanised young followers around the world by carving out tracts of territory across the Iraq-Syria border. :haha: I hope both fight and finish off each other.
Crookbond Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Hmmm.... The ruling party, you know, has been crying hoarse about the 'preferential' treatment a certain community gets for as long as I can remember. During its last stint at the centre it chose to do nothing about it. Hopefully, this time around, having enough numbers, they can enforce the Uniform Civil Code. If the ruling party fails to take concrete steps towards the Uniform Civil Code this time around, it would be safe to assume that thy need this issue alive just to garner votes by trying to portray to the majority how 'disadvantaged' they are vis a vis the ' prefered' ones. Did they even attempt to bring in UCC? If not, it's safe to assume that it was indulging in majority appeasement. We don't know what this government will do though.
diga Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Hmmm.... The ruling party, you know, has been crying hoarse about the 'preferential' treatment a certain community gets for as long as I can remember. During its last stint at the centre it chose to do nothing about it. Hopefully, this time around, having enough numbers, they can enforce the Uniform Civil Code. If the ruling party fails to take concrete steps towards the Uniform Civil Code this time around, it would be safe to assume that thy need this issue alive just to garner votes by trying to portray to the majority how 'disadvantaged' they are vis a vis the ' prefered' ones. havent I said "voluntarily"?
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