Ajmal banned from bowling

[BlackMamba]

Those methods were different. Most bowlers passed those tests. They could bowl different in lab than they did in the match. Now their actions are matched with bowling in matches. The reason so many bowlers have been barred from bowling.

Something I have been *****ing about for more than 10 long M F'ing Years. It boils my blood to see criminals (I am looking at you F'ing Mooli) -- who got away with it. It never made any god damned sense to me as to how any normal sane human being could equate to what happens in the lab to what happens on the ground ! Is ICC that f'ing dumb ? Well what else can we expect -- when one its President was Speed and Sunil Moron Gavaskar as its technical committee chairman.

[kira]

Kudos to Ajmal for not faking it like Murali during the tests...

What if those numbers are after faking it and he chucks even more on the field :giggle::hysterical:B->

[rkt.india]

Kudos to Ajmal for not faking it like Murali during the tests...

Because he cannot. Testing method has changed now. Same Ajmal was cleared in 2009 using different method where he could fake his action.

[mishra]

Because he cannot. Testing method has changed now. Same Ajmal was cleared in 2009 using different method where he could fake his action.

Exactly. Murali gets benefit of doubt. But Ajmal is definitely a cheat who is caught.

[thongale]

The interesting question would be, would all the bowlers with clean actions pass the test if same protocol was used? But ICC has not published the testing protocol or related data, and there is a big grey area surrounding the above aspect.

[Old guy]

The interesting question would be' date=' would all the bowlers with clean actions pass the test if same protocol was used? But ICC has not published the testing protocol or related data, and there is a big grey area surrounding the above aspect.[/quote'] i am pretty sure when they designed it they must have tested few bowlers and they must have passed or failed depending on their actions so this is not case of test being so harsh that every bowler will get banned ..i know what you are trying to say and its understandable seeing how many are getting banned but IMO it shows system before was in adequate not only testing but procedure where bowlers got away by bowling with different action . even if many bowlers get banned that does not prove that its not possible to bowl within limit but rather last system failed and chucking was encouraged .. i have no doubt there would not be so many so called "mystery" bowlers if this current system was placed before and lot less banned bowlers :winky:

[thongale]

Don't think ifs and buts count. The protocol should be there so any player / official can examine and challenge the process. Holding it close to their chests creates more problem. In y opinion they should test other bowlers randomly as well to keep a better standard.

[Marut]

42 degree chucking?:haha::haha: ICC has got to be a joke organization for allowing this sort of thing.

[kira]

42 degree chucking?:haha::haha: ICC has got to be a joke organization for allowing this sort of thing.

Correction , ICC was joke of an organization b4 but BCCI saved it and transformed it into a functioning bodyB->:two_thumbs_up:

[Old guy]

Don't think ifs and buts count. The protocol should be there so any player / official can examine and challenge the process. Holding it close to their chests creates more problem. In y opinion they should test other bowlers randomly as well to keep a better standard.

system like this cannot be implemented without rigorous testing while designing ...they did not create it out of vacuum they created it ,tested people and only after getting accurate results they started using it ..

[thongale]

system like this cannot be implemented without rigorous testing while designing ...they did not create it out of vacuum they created it ' date='tested people and only after getting accurate results they started using it ..[/quote']if that is the case data of the pilot study has to be available. At the moment individual countries have no way of screening chuckers by testing them even if they have enough money to afford a lab. They have no protocol to base upon.

[BlueBee]

i am pretty sure when they designed it they must have tested few bowlers and they must have passed or failed depending on their actions so this is not case of test being so harsh that every bowler will get banned ..i know what you are trying to say and its understandable seeing how many are getting banned but IMO it shows system before was in adequate not only testing but procedure where bowlers got away by bowling with different action . even if many bowlers get banned that does not prove that its not possible to bowl within limit but rather last system failed and chucking was encouraged .. i have no doubt there would not be so many so called "mystery" bowlers if this current system was placed before and lot less banned bowlers :winky:

+1 And there won't have been any so called 'Magician' out there :agree:

[Old guy]

if that is the case data of the pilot study has to be available. At the moment individual countries have no way of screening chuckers by testing them even if they have enough money to afford a lab. They have no protocol to base upon.

maybe there is no same system but whatever austraians and english are using at grass root level seems to be working and weeding out all chuckers .. we can all agree none of their bowlers are dodgy?

[Austin 3:!6]

Ajmal is not only a chucker but a disgrace in the name of bowling. Not sure what is there to discuss for 8 pages. Glad that sanity have prevailed and he has been banned. Should have been banned back in 2009 when he started chucking:headshake: Move on guys :nice:

[BlueBee]

Yeah, it's going overboard. He is/was a chucker. He's banned. /Thread

[Old guy]

Yeah' date=' it's going overboard. He is/was a chucker. He's banned. /Thread[/quote'] nothing wrong with discussing system that is what this site is for ...but yeah i do not think any one is doubting ajmal deserved a ban

[Austin 3:!6]

nothing wrong with discussing system that is what this site is for ...but yeah i do not think any one is doubting ajmal deserved a ban

Even PCB in offical press conference said that they were expecting Ajmal's ban :cantstop:

[Old guy]

Even PCB in offical press conference said that they were expecting Ajmal's ban :cantstop:

yep..he deserved it and actually should have been much much earlier ..there is a reason he is not even trying to test again :giggle:

[thongale]

maybe there is no same system but whatever austraians and english are using at grass root level seems to be working and weeding out all chuckers .. we can all agree none of their bowlers are dodgy?

Not being dodgy doesn't certify they are below 15 EVERYTIME. Even McGrath and Pollock went up to 13 degrees, and that was under the old system where Ajmal was tested 9 degrees or something. There is no guarantee that clean looking actions don't breach the limits. Only way to know is to repeat the test using control subjects, i.e. bowlers with "clean" actions.

[Old guy]

Not being dodgy doesn't certify they are below 15 EVERYTIME. Even McGrath and Pollock went up to 13 degrees' date=' and that was under the old system where Ajmal was tested 9 degrees or something. There is no guarantee that clean looking actions don't breach the limits. Only way to know is to repeat the test using control subjects, i.e. bowlers with "clean" actions.[/quote'] new system is not harsher its just more accurate ..its not counting more degrees its just forcing bowlers to bowl with similar action like they do in real matches. ajmal was passed before because he changed his action during testing..i do not think mcgrath was tested for chucking or has any reason to change action