Sachin=GOD Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Playing with that kind of a strike rate in over 100 tests changed the way test cricket is played. That in itself makes him an ATG.
Austin 3:!6 Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Easily an ATG...there is no debate. In my opinion he will feature in top 4 greatest test batsman India has produced. Sachin, Gavaskar, Dravid and Sehwag in that order. We reached no. 1 in test cricket mainly due to Sehwag's exploits at top of the order. People talk about Dravid technique, Sachin's consistency or Gavaskar's resilience. But you ask any bowler, no one scared them mentally like the way Sehwag did. Some of his innings - Multan test, MCG test, Chennai test or that 254 run innings in Karachi were so brutal that even as an Indian fan you sometime feel sorry for the bowler. That was the audacity and brutality with which he tear the bowling attack. Only Viv comes to mind when you see some of the Sehwag's knocks. Lets put it this way - Sehwag along with Matthew Hayden have revolutionized test batting, like Jayasuriya did for ODI's in 96 WC.
adi B Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 ATG for me.I used to miss my classes just to watch him bat. One of those few batsmen you'd pay to watch,an absolute treat!!
maniac Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Is this even a debate? When Likes of Greame Pollock and Barry RIchards who hardly played any games,and some other's from the bygone era are rated than Sehwag is head and shoulders above them. He is an ATG and probably one of the greatest openers to ever play the game.....Same league as Greenidge,Haynes,Gavaskar etc.
AmreekanDesi Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 On Indian tracks he was the best ever. However whenever the ball was moving, he seemed like a walking wicket be it in England, NZ or SA where he averaged around 25. Overseas in challenging condition only in Australia did he really succeed.
AmreekanDesi Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Outside subcontinent his stats are: Country Average Australia 46.86 South Africa 25.46 England 27.80 New Zealand 20.00 So they are pretty poor. And of the 3 SA, NZ and Eng is where the ball moves a lot and his stats are very very poor in all these places despite playing atleast 2 series in all these countries. So due to this he cannot be considered an All time great. The greatness of Sachin is that he averaged 40+ in each country which very few others have achieved
Austin 3:!6 Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Outside subcontinent his stats are: Country Average Australia 46.86 South Africa 25.46 England 27.80 New Zealand 20.00 So they are pretty poor. And of the 3 SA, NZ and Eng is where the ball moves a lot and his stats are very very poor in all these places despite playing atleast 2 series in all these countries. So due to this he cannot be considered an All time great. The greatness of Sachin is that he averaged 40+ in each country which very few others have achieved Scoring runs everywhere round the globe is not the only factor to access greatness. Do you consider Ricky Ponting ATG? Check his avg. in India. :punter: Do you consider Dravid ATG? Check his avg. in SA and SL. Do you consider Lara ATG? Check his avg. in India. Greatness is measured in terms of impact and bcoz of that Sehwag will be considered an ATG. You cannot score runs in all countries, all grounds, all conditions unless you are Sachin Tendulkar.
kubrickian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Scoring runs everywhere round the globe is not the only factor to access greatness. Do you consider Ricky Ponting ATG? Check his avg. in India. :punter: Do you consider Dravid ATG? Check his avg. in SA and SL. Do you consider Lara ATG? Check his avg. in India. Greatness is measured in terms of impact and bcoz of that Sehwag will be considered an ATG. You cannot score runs in all countries, all grounds, all conditions unless you are Sachin Tendulkar. For some reason, not scoring runs in India is not considered a big deal when compared to not scoring in Eng, SA and Aus. Even Indian fans indulge in this nonsense. Pure double standards. I have never heard Ponting's record in India a mark against his career whereas if there is any SC batsman who hasn't done well in Eng, SA or Aus, he will be written off as a FTB.
Austin 3:!6 Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 For some reason, not scoring runs in India is not considered a big deal when compared to not scoring in Eng, SA and Aus. Even Indian fans indulge in this nonsense. Pure double standards. I have never heard Ponting's record in India a mark against his career whereas if there is any SC batsman who hasn't done well in Eng, SA or Aus, he will be written off as a FTB. Very true
ThePhenomenal1 Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 All time great. Anybody who has an average of 50 over 100 tests and scored 8500+ runs and redefined batting as a test opener - his strike rate was 82 in tests which many ODI batsmen don't have - deserves to be considered an ATG. There will never be another Sehwag. We don't know that but no one will shock us by those stats as sehwag did. Redefined opening for sure!
AmreekanDesi Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Scoring runs everywhere round the globe is not the only factor to access greatness. Do you consider Ricky Ponting ATG? Check his avg. in India. :punter: Do you consider Dravid ATG? Check his avg. in SA and SL. Do you consider Lara ATG? Check his avg. in India. Greatness is measured in terms of impact and bcoz of that Sehwag will be considered an ATG. You cannot score runs in all countries, all grounds, all conditions unless you are Sachin Tendulkar. For some reason, not scoring runs in India is not considered a big deal when compared to not scoring in Eng, SA and Aus. Even Indian fans indulge in this nonsense. Pure double standards. I have never heard Ponting's record in India a mark against his career whereas if there is any SC batsman who hasn't done well in Eng, SA or Aus, he will be written off as a FTB. Guys the thing here is that Sehwag has a very poor record in THREE different countries. So theres a problem. And Ponting's failure in India is Always brought up too. But even then it i ONE country. But when its 3 different countries then it cannot be considered an anomaly. And btw Dravid averages 38 and 41 in SA and SL respectively so I dont know what you are talking about. While 38 is not earth shattering it still doesnt mean that the batsman was clueles in those conditions which averages of 20 , 25 and 27 respectively point to in Sehwag's case
AmreekanDesi Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Honestly can anyone even consider Sehwag to be in the same league as Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman or Gavaskar? You watch these guys bat for 20 mins and you can tell that they are impeccable batsman. Sehwag has always been streaky. No foot movement. And a sitting duck if the ball is moving
kubrickian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Guys the thing here is that Sehwag has a very poor record in THREE different countries. So theres a problem. And Ponting's failure in India is Always brought up too. But even then it i ONE country. But when its 3 different countries then it cannot be considered an anomaly. And btw Dravid averages 38 and 41 in SA and SL respectively so I dont know what you are talking about. While 38 is not earth shattering it still doesnt mean that the batsman was clueles in those conditions which averages of 20 , 25 and 27 respectively point to in Sehwag's case He is an opener who got to face the new ball in those conditions and he has a very aggressive approach which doesnt work too often in those conditions. You need to be a lot more classical style and be circumspect and leave the ball outside the off stump more to do well there which is just not his style. His style of batting worked for him in most countries and gave India many great starts and there was no point in curbing that. He still scored centuries and half centuries in England and SA.
kubrickian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 And btw Dravid averages 38 and 41 in SA and SL respectively so I dont know what you are talking about. While 38 is not earth shattering it still doesnt mean that the batsman was clueles in those conditions which averages of 20 , 25 and 27 respectively point to in Sehwag's case Those stats are wrong. Dravid averaged 29 in SA whereas Sehwag averaged 25. Many batsmen with classical approach struggled in SA. Sometimes you just comes across good bowlers in helpful conditions and you give credit to the bowlers for getting you out. Only exception could be Sachin who scored everywhere but he is once in a century type of batsman.
AmreekanDesi Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Those stats are wrong. Dravid averaged 29 in SA whereas Sehwag averaged 25. Many batsmen with classical approach struggled in SA. You can't blame everything on lack of technique or temperament. Sometimes you just comes across good bowlers in helpful conditions and you give credit to the bowlers. Only exception could be Sachin who scored everywhere but he is once in a century type of batsman. oops my bad. I posted the SR by mistake. He avged 29.71 but the thing is its just SA so its an anomaly. The 3 countries which have seaming, swingiing conditions sehwag failed in all 3
kubrickian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 oops my bad. I posted the SR by mistake. He avged 29.71 but the thing is its just SA so its an anomaly. The 3 countries which have seaming, swingiing conditions sehwag failed in all 3 The ball swings and seams in Australia too. Australian wickets have more bounce than England.
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