bharat297 Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Suppose we had Ishant, Umesh and Aaron. 3 bowlers capable of bowling 140+ playing together on one of the fastest and bounciest wickets in the world. Australia win the toss and are batting first. Out comes David Warner to bat. Arguably, the best batsman in world cricket right now. What's our game plan to him? How do we get him out?
kosingh Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Short stray balls outside off that he can slash square of the wicket, mixed with juicy over pitched balls outside off that he can drive through extra cover. He'll get his 120-130 runs at a run a ball, then throw his wicket away. Get into a verbal spat or two with him, he'll probably get to 120 odd even quicker, and thus throw his wicket away even quicker.
bharat297 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 Short stray balls outside off that he can slash square of the wicket, mixed with juicy over pitched balls outside off that he can drive through extra cover. He'll get his 120-130 runs at a run a ball, then throw his wicket away. Get into a verbal spat or two with him, he'll probably get to 120 odd even quicker, and thus throw his wicket away even quicker. LOL ... We do that quite well actually. In all seriousness though, I would put a deep point in early, and have 3 slips and a gully and bowl over the wicket and angle the ball across him. Ishant's natural angle to the left hander would work well for this. If Warner connects, the deep point is there to stop the boundary. If he get's an edge, we have 3 slips and a gully there to take the catch hopefully. You could change that up by occassionally bringing one back in to him (again from over the wicket) and get him to chop one back on it his stumps. Right now, that's the only way I see Warner getting out. His desire to feel bat on ball early on might be our best chance of dismissing him early. The danger in this plan is, you can't bowl too straight to him because he will work you through the on side, and obviously your length needs to be spot on.
rkt.india Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 LOL ... We do that quite well actually. In all seriousness though, I would put a deep point in early, and have 3 slips and a gully and bowl over the wicket and angle the ball across him. Ishant's natural angle to the left hander would work well for this. If Warner connects, the deep point is there to stop the boundary. If he get's an edge, we have 3 slips and a gully there to take the catch hopefully. You could change that up by occassionally bringing one back in to him (again from over the wicket) and get him to chop one back on it . That is the way to get him out. Round the wicket is defensive tactic. You cant contain him no matter what you do.
bharat297 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 That is the way to get him out. Round the wicket is defensive tactic. You cant contain him no matter what you do. Yeah I was really surprised that Kohli persisted with that tactic for so long.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Everyone would be making plans until they get smashed :haha: And ther line/length plan in general goes wrong. There can be no specific plan to a batsman without any real weakness in these conditions. Just bowl well lol and he will get out. No one consistent enough, accurate enough and in general just skilled enough to own him among Indians.
bharat297 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 Everyone would be making plans until they get smashed :haha: And ther line/length plan in general goes wrong. There can be no specific plan to a batsman without any real weakness in these conditions. Just bowl well lol and he will get out. No one consistent enough, accurate enough and in general just skilled enough to own him among Indians. Lol .. so what does bowling well mean if you don't have a plan? Explain to me what bowling well without a plan is.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 LOL ... We do that quite well actually. In all seriousness though, I would put a deep point in early, and have 3 slips and a gully and bowl over the wicket and angle the ball across him. Ishant's natural angle to the left hander would work well for this. If Warner connects, the deep point is there to stop the boundary. If he get's an edge, we have 3 slips and a gully there to take the catch hopefully. You could change that up by occassionally bringing one back in to him (again from over the wicket) and get him to chop one back on it his stumps. Right now, that's the only way I see Warner getting out. His desire to feel bat on ball early on might be our best chance of dismissing him early. The danger in this plan is, you can't bowl too straight to him because he will work you through the on side, and obviously your length needs to be spot on. 3 slips and gully...fairly standard and then why deep point so early if he hits it well so be it. nothing specific just same rules as every other batsman unless a weakness is found.
bharat297 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 3 slips and gully...fairly standard and then why deep point so early if he hits it well so be it. nothing specific just same rules as every other batsman unless a weakness is found. Well I wouldn't use the same plan for say Shane Watson. Watson is more susceptible to the ball coming back into him. With Clarke, if he was playing, the short ball becomes an option if used as a surprise ball. So there are different plans to different batsmen. The deep point is slightly controversial, because it's deemed to be defensive. The reason I would have it for Warner is that Warner likes to see the scoreboard ticking along. If we can cut down his boundary balls early on, it will lower his strike rate. He could smash one through the cover point region and only pick up 1 or 2. At the same time, the slips and gully are there for any edge, which when you are bowling over the wicket and angling across him, is always a possibility. You could even take mid-on out and have another gully and just have a mid-wicket and fine leg on the on side.
kosingh Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Any plans we make are contingent on bowlers being able to execute those plans. Our bowlers have neither the skill nor the control to bowl to a plan.
tweaker Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Attack him with a barrage of short ball.If Aaron is bowling short balls at him he will definitely fall in the trap
bharat297 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 Any plans we make are contingent on bowlers being able to execute those plans. Our bowlers have neither the skill nor the control to bowl to a plan. Agreed ... but that doesn't mean you don't make a plan. In fact, the more erratic the bowlers are the more important it is for the captain to dictate the plan. It forces the bowlers to focus on one thing only. If a bowler is like Glenn McGrath, the chances are that he's thought of everything already and knows exactly what to do. When you've got raw quicks like Aaron, Umesh and Ishant it's important to make sure that they are all working together towards one thing.
Marut Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 He can't be contained. That is his strength as well as his weakness. He loves to attack and for a wicket taking bowler this is the best chance to get his wicket. The best bowling plan would be to keep him guessing, mix your deliveries well and don't become predictable. Warner can hit all types of balls, good and bad to the fence. If he can anticipate what you would bowl he will definitely be ready for that ball. I don't have the confidence that our bowlers have the experience and skill to out think him right now. We need a lot of luck to get his wicket. But any bowler who bowls stump-stump along the corridor of the middle-offstump at a good length will get his wicket - because he will eventually either get bowled or nick one. Outswingers are a more potent weapon against Warner as you can see he has a very low percentage of dismissals through bowled/LBW. He usually gets out nicking or while hitting big shots so it is important to make him interested in playing at every delivery you bowl. Warner has a tendency to leave balls outside the off so don't waste energy trying to bowl there. Have slip fielders with excellent reaction times, this is important for dismissing Warner.
MK55 Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Will open with Umesh and Ishant. Over the wicket, 5th stump line, short of good length with no full drivable balls. Will also intersperse some bouncers on middle and leg stump with a deep square leg and midwicket so that he cant hit them over third man by giving himself room. Will introduce Aaron as first change, hopefully after warner is dismissed.
express bowling Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 LOL ... We do that quite well actually. In all seriousness though, I would put a deep point in early, and have 3 slips and a gully and bowl over the wicket and angle the ball across him. Ishant's natural angle to the left hander would work well for this. If Warner connects, the deep point is there to stop the boundary. If he get's an edge, we have 3 slips and a gully there to take the catch hopefully. You could change that up by occassionally bringing one back in to him (again from over the wicket) and get him to chop one back on it his stumps. Right now, that's the only way I see Warner getting out. His desire to feel bat on ball early on might be our best chance of dismissing him early. The danger in this plan is, you can't bowl too straight to him because he will work you through the on side, and obviously your length needs to be spot on. May work. While planning for batsmen using inexperienced pacers, we have to think about the execution factor and make it simple as well as provide extra protection. Basically fielders at multiple depths on one side to protect against varying lengths as well as extra width. Just tell the bowlers not to stray on the other side of the wicket. As you said, angling the ball over the wicket across Warner may work. 3 slips, gully, backward point, deep point, deep extra cover ...let the bowlers bowl a bit widish ... encourage him to hit ...just don't bowl straight or on the leg. A bit later, if he is still there, then short leg, leg gully, deep fine leg, deep square leg , deep mid-wicket, 3rd man, 1 slip, and continuous short balls over the wicket by Aaron and Ishant. Keep the balls high and encourage him to hook.
fineleg Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Indian bowlers gameplan to any batsman in-form or out-of-form is :bumsmack:
Stuge Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 award him those 120-130 before the match for each innings .. and ask him to sit in the dressing room .
adi B Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Over the wkt outswinger or the outgoing delivery just a foot outside off stump on the good length. he'll edge it
Silva Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 I don't think our bowlers are capable of executing any type of plan.
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