Coach timing all wrong, say seniors

[coffee_rules]

Not arguing about the significance of a coach, but I wouldn't believe a word these journos say about seniors resisting appointment of coach. The whole argument is based on this article which itself is not credible. Dravid has always been insisting upon a coach and the very reason he quit captaincy was because BCCI was throwing the possibility of a Aus series without a coach. SRT and Gangs have always supported a coach. And now the whole notion about seniors' attitude is all bull and seems to be the handiwork of the journalist who wanted to be sensational.

[Lurker]

Dravid has always been insisting upon a coach and the very reason he quit captaincy was because BCCI was throwing the possibility of a Aus series without a coach. SRT and Gangs have always supported a coach.

Not sure how far that is true but if Dravid thought that way full marks to him. The way I look at this is rather simple. Indian trip to Australia is the single BIGGEST trip in Indian cricket calendar for past 3-4 years(barring World Cup). If we do not need a coach for Australia then why the hell do we need a coach at all!! To play against BD or Zimbabwe? Since Kirsten's appointment has been done mainly with an eye on Down Under trip(from whatever I have read he has resited joining Indian team during Indo-Pak series) I am okay with the idea.

And now the whole notion about seniors' attitude is all bull and seems to be the handiwork of the journalist who wanted to be sensational.

Fair enough. Always better to take journalists version with a pinch of salt. xxx

[Predator_05]

This is like a bolt out of the blue. Kirsten's name never figured once, even in speculation and all of a sudden he has appeared out of nowhere to coach the Indian team. Did the players even agree to his appointment or was he needlessly thrust upon them by the BCCI ? Besides, WHY Kirsten ? This guy has NO coaching experience whatsoever - not even at grassroots level. At least Chappell had managed a first class team for a few seasons. Kirsten was just a batting consultant at best. As if the likes of Ganguly, Tendulkar et al need a batting consultant.

[Lurker]

This is like a bolt out of the blue. Kirsten's name never figured once, even in speculation and all of a sudden he has appeared out of nowhere to coach the Indian team. Did the players even agree to his appointment or was he needlessly thrust upon them by the BCCI ?

Good question. Sorry no answer :haha: Better get hold of the Bombay brigade - read Shastri and Sunny - and ask them since he was handpicked by these two gents. xxx

[Lurker]

Smart game by BCCI There was a cover-up plan too in case the media got to know of Kirsten’s forays. The media would then have been told that Kirsten was in touch with the Board due to a possible involvement in the Indian Premier League which has been planned to counter the breakaway Indian Cricket League. According to well placed sources in the BCCI, only president Sharad Pawar, treasurer N Srinivasan, vice-president Shashank Manohar, Chief Administrative Officer Prof Ratnakar Shetty apart from coach selectors S Venkatraghavan, Sunil Gavaskar and Ravi Shastri knew about Kirsten’s involvement. It is learnt that Anil Kumble has welcomed the move to have Kirsten coach the team. “It’s a good choice. He played his cricket hard and will be good for Indian cricket,” the Test captain is believed to have said when the Board informed him about the possibility of the South African working with him. http://chalomumbai.com/news/city/2007/november/167438.htm

[Gambit]

Oh dear. Aise din aa gaye hain ki hum log Mumbai Mirror ki baaton pe amal kar rahe hain. :bird: [Translation: Mumbai Mirror is a tabloid]

[beetle]

They were showing comments from his diary ....about the living conditions in India when he had travelled in the late ninties....not too good.

[chamatkar]

me thinks that to be a coach, GK would have the sense to not impose his style of management immediately. Aus is a good tour for him to watch the dynamics of the indian team and it's indiv players... since that's when they'll be asked to play their hardest, will have their share of tough sessions and that's what a new coach can observe what his players are really made of...

[Chandan]

The way I look at this is rather simple. Indian trip to Australia is the single BIGGEST trip in Indian cricket calendar for past 3-4 years(barring World Cup). If we do not need a coach for Australia then why the hell do we need a coach at all!! To play against BD or Zimbabwe? Since Kirsten's appointment has been done mainly with an eye on Down Under trip(from whatever I have read he has resited joining Indian team during Indo-Pak series) I am okay with the idea. xxx

Not true! It is not as if he would be helping the Indian team out during the test series because he won't join then since the beginning of the tour and will probably miss the first and second test too. From cricinfo: So when will you be free to take over? Probably early next year. We are actually negotiating if I can join sometime during the Australia series. In a week's time everything should be clear. So what is the use? How will he help us that way?

[zubinpepsi]

wwhy wud he join for Aus tour.. he muz b adumb fuker to do tht... he knows tht what ll b the outcome and how tough the tour is... no sane person will accept to coach frm Aus tour..

[varun]

..blab..blather.. said a senior player, not willing to be named for obvious reasons.

Stopped reading after this

[Guest dada_rocks]

Seniors have a point new guy comes with his own ideas and whims and joining mid-way with a series against aussie is stupid idea

[PaiN_KiLLeR]

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtvcricket/cricketstory.aspx?id=SPOEN20070034226 Kirsten trashed India in his diary The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is quite sure that former South African player Gary Kirsten will revert back with a 'yes' to the offer to become the coach of the Indian team. However, excerpts from a tour diary written by Kirsten 10 years ago may well make him think twice about coming to the country, which in his words is full of slums, has poor quality red meat and where direct flights are a problem. But even if Kirsten's views have changed since then, its certainly an embarrassing situation for him to now clarify that he did not like India but loves the idea of coaching the Indian team. When Shane Warne toured India there was extensive coverage of the tins and tins of baked beans he said he needed to bring to India because he could not deal with the food here. The Australians also complained about playing in Delhi saying it was just too polluted. And now it turns out that Gary Kirsten, the front-runner for the position of Indian Coach was also very critical of the local conditions food and travel arrangements when he visited in 1996-97. The excerpts of his diary during a tour of India in 1996, which was published in South Africa and later reproduced in the Telegraph, read almost like a travel warning. Kirsten wrote, "62 days in a country where westernised living conditions are regarded a luxury, is no task for the faint-hearted. Socialising in India is pretty much hotel-bound, there are no real places to go out. It gets quite boring and tedious trying to occupy yourself. It is one of the rigours of touring India." "To spread cricket to all corners of India, we played in what could politely be classed as one-horse towns, places with more cows on the street than cars. A sense of humour is a necessity on this tour," he further wrote. "To expect teams to perform at consistently high levels when faced with such arrangements is absurd and unfair on the players," Kirsten added. While one could argue that these are 10-year old views and things and opinios would have changed since then. But the fact remains that the conditions continue to be tough for visitors from the West. So, is the board not worried that their chief coach might decide that travelling to one horse towns in India over two years is just too hard. One rather interesting observation from Kirsten was about the city of Rajkot which happens to be the home to BCCI secretary Niranjan Shah. "Its a culture shock for anyone who comes to India, am sure Gary didn't mean to be rude or anything. Other parts of the world dont really know what India is like, its actually a great place, and one of those places you must visit in your life, I have great memories here," said Lance Klusener former team-mate of Gary Kirsten. While the Indian cricket board might not be too concerned with Gary Kirsten's tour diary from 10 years ago, there is little doubt that if the South African chooses to take up the assignment, these entries will follow the coach through out his two-year tenure here.

[PaiN_KiLLeR]

i hope they dont appoint him as our coach.

[coffee_rules]

Kirsten wrote, "62 days in a country where westernised living conditions are regarded a luxury, is no task for the faint-hearted. Socialising in India is pretty much hotel-bound, there are no real places to go out. It gets quite boring and tedious trying to occupy yourself. It is one of the rigours of touring India." "To spread cricket to all corners of India, we played in what could politely be classed as one-horse towns, places with more cows on the street than cars. A sense of humour is a necessity on this tour," he further wrote. "To expect teams to perform at consistently high levels when faced with such arrangements is absurd and unfair on the players," Kirsten added. While one could argue that these are 10-year old views and things and opinios would have changed since then. But the fact remains that the conditions continue to be tough for visitors from the West. So, is the board not worried that their chief coach might decide that travelling to one horse towns in India over two years is just too hard. One rather interesting observation from Kirsten was about the city of Rajkot which happens to be the home to BCCI secretary Niranjan Shah. "Its a culture shock for anyone who comes to India, am sure Gary didn't mean to be rude or anything. Other parts of the world dont really know what India is like, its actually a great place, and one of those places you must visit in your life, I have great memories here," said Lance Klusener former team-mate of Gary Kirsten. While the Indian cricket board might not be too concerned with Gary Kirsten's tour diary from 10 years ago, there is little doubt that if the South African chooses to take up the assignment, these entries will follow the coach through out his two-year tenure here.

Long time since 1996. Now for International cricket, India is where the money is. With the purse offered to him, he will find India right next to a fictional place called 'heaven'.

[Predator_05]

The Indian government should stall all economic development in cities with cricket stadiums. The more revolting the venues are, the greater the likelihood of opposing teams failing to beat India at home. The atmosphere in developing Indian cities was clearly one of the factors which contributed to India's fantastic record at home - especially against white teams like ENG, AUS, SA. They just couldn't stand it. Open up the sewage systems, encourage people to litter and spit paan around the players' hotels, put more cows on the streets, play some sh itty Follywood music at full blast. India will go anther 15 years without losing a Test series at home.

[coffee_rules]

The Indian government should stall all economic development in cities with cricket stadiums. The more revolting the venues are' date=' the greater the likelihood of opposing teams failing to beat India at home. The atmosphere in developing Indian cities was clearly one of the factors which contributed to India's fantastic record at home - especially against non-white teams like ENG, AUS, SA. They just couldn't stand it. Open up the sewage systems, encourage people to litter and spit paan around the players' hotels, put more cows on the streets, play some sh itty Follywood music at full blast. India will go anther 15 years without losing a Test series at home.[/quote'] :hysterical: Players fielding around the batsmen should not take bath for five days before the test, wear unwashed undi's, eat a lot of beans and break wind right around the batsmen loudly.

[Predator_05]

Send the kabaadi waala to the visiting team's hotel rooms. What a sight that would be...:hysterical:

[praveenj]

attach porn pics in the visitor's dressing rooms... i mean the desi wala...

[The Outsider]

Ah yes, the age old idiocy of attacking a poster and not the ideas. Foolish? Yes. Unexpected? Hardly.

Let's start with the real basics here - suggesting that someone loses perspective when talking about a particular topic is attacking a poster and foolish? Please elaborate.

lol. You are one quality tool, arent you Shwetabh? You NEVER seem to answer why India should/ should not do it. Your answers are always based on "Look this is what Steve Waugh did, made Gillespie a better bat" etc. So lets pick on that now, shall we?

Thanks for the compliment despite not asking for one, As to the why, I suggest you complete the mathematical assignment I posted in the thread on the discussion you are posting about first, and then we will talk further in the topic.

Since you are worried about "one major country", could you possibly enlighten me on which "major country" is currently functioning WITHOUT a coach?? Lets start with your favorite Australia. Does the name Tim Nielsen ring a bell? Lets move on to South Africa now.Does Mickey Arthur make any sense to you? Look across the border and you shall see Geoff Lawson too. Couple of questions then: 1) Which major country, barring India, is currently functioning WITHOUT a coach? 2) If India has to have a coach what is the best time to do this? xxxx

I am all for a coach for the Indian team and have been advocating for one forever. But how does it make any sense to let a new coach take position midway during the most important series India is playing? After reading Kirsten's interview, frankly, I don't have much of a problem with him taking the role at that point because he came across as a pretty hand off guy, but why would you want your strategies left at the mercy of someone who is going to join you midway through a battle?