zen Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 “women are for children, boys are for pleasure.” Apparently, according to the report, Pashtun men interpret the Islamic prohibition on homosexuality to mean they cannot “love” another man — but that doesn’t mean they can’t use men for “sexual gratification.”
Number Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Many scientists even believe that Pedophilia is a natural orientation Such behavior is unacceptable :orderorder: Natural tendencies are not a valid justification in any case. Its a human tendency to be jealous of someone richer but that doesn't mean powerful should be allowed to rob rich people. Consensuality(of adult/mature enough people involved) should be the deciding factor.
Deleted_User_1 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Many scientists even believe that Pedophilia is a natural orientation Such behavior is unacceptable :orderorder: You just totally miss the point. First of all, I do not believe that pedophilia is a natural orientation, but even if it was, it is sex between an adult and a kid who is not mature enough to provide consent and know the implication. We are not talking about two consenting adults, because if sex between two consenting adults was in question, adultery would be illegal in the secular countries (in fact it is illegal in the Islamic countries where they let a book rule their judicial system).
Deleted_User_1 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Natural tendencies are not a valid justification in any case. Its a human tendency to be jealous of someone richer but that doesn't mean powerful should be allowed to rob rich people. Consensuality(of adult/mature enough people involved) should be the deciding factor. I don't think he understands what consent is. :giggle:
zen Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 You just totally miss the point. First of all' date=' I do not believe that pedophilia is a natural orientation, but even if it was, it is sex between an adult and a kid who is not mature enough to provide consent and know the implication. We are not talking about two consenting adults, because if sex between two consenting adults was in question, adultery would be illegal in the secular countries (in fact it is illegal in the Islamic countries where they let a book rule their judicial system).[/quote'] Cut your blah blah blah .... Coming to the key points - similarly, others have a right to think that Homosexuality is not a natural orientation as well (some scientist believe that pedophilia is natural but you don't) .... Now what makes you so sure that homosexuality is natural? :hmmmm:
zen Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Natural tendencies are not a valid justification in any case. Its a human tendency to be jealous of someone richer but that doesn't mean powerful should be allowed to rob rich people. Consensuality(of adult/mature enough people involved) should be the deciding factor. I am discussing this from a legal perspective as well because that has the tendency to change behaviors which may not be beneficial to the society
Deleted_User_1 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Cut your blah blah blah .... Coming to the key points - similarly' date=' others have a right to think that Homosexuality is not a natural orientation as well (some scientist believe that pedophilia is natural but you don't) .... Now what makes you so sure that homosexuality is natural? :hmmmm:[/quote'] Yeah like racists have a right to think that their race is superior, etc etc. I get it. I have no desire to convince you since you do not understand what consent is. And the reason I know homosexuality is not a choice is because I have read research and have known enough gay people to know about their struggles. And if you are implying I know because I am gay myself (I am not), I couldn't care less. If I was gay, I would not have any problem not keeping it in the closet. It is nothing to be ashamed about.
Deleted_User_1 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I am discussing this from a legal perspective as well because that has the tendency to change behaviors which may not be beneficial to the society Go understand what adult consent is before engaging from a "legal perspective" :haha:
zen Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Yeah like racists have a right to think that their race is superior' date=' etc etc. I get it. I have no desire to convince you since you do not understand what consent is. And the reason I know homosexuality is not a choice is because I have read research and have known enough gay people to know about their struggles. And if you are implying I know because I am gay myself (I am not), I couldn't care less. If I was gay, I would not have any problem not keeping it in the closet. It is nothing to be ashamed about.[/quote'] So basically it is your opinion, something others are untitled too as well
zen Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Go understand what adult consent is before engaging from a "legal perspective" :haha: Since you are so well informed - Incest could be through adult consent as well, so would it be ok if govt made it legal for brothers and sisters to get married (freedom to chose as well)?
Desi Cartman Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 What makes you so sure? :hmmmm: Maybe you should try to choose it for a few days and see it works that way.
zen Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Maybe you should try to choose it for a few days and see it works that way. I am not too keen to follow your footsteps :P
Desi Cartman Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I am not too keen to follow your footsteps :P Then stop generalizing and shut the heck up. You think it's a choice then try living like one or else just say that you were wrong. You only have jokes like a sixth grader that are funny to you and some nut jobs from across the border.
Tiger80 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I don't think people have understood your point Desi. You've made a very important point regarding how we view homosexuals as funny or use the term gay as a pejorative. It's a deep point and not superficial at all. Pause for a moment and think if it happened the other way round. Personally, I wouldn't find it good if people make fun of my sexual orientation as a heterosexual. The double standard of ICFers is surprising . Whenever Indian team loose most of Indian cricketers become gay with Dhoni having several gay partners , as they win they become macho males .While on these topics most become torch bearer of gay rights
Desi Cartman Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 The double standard of ICFers is surprising . Whenever Indian team loose most of Indian cricketers become gay with Dhoni having several gay partners ' date=' as they win they become macho males .While on these topics most become torch bearer of gay rights[/quote'] Yes, it's all about cricket.
rkt.india Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 One does not need to be gay to have physical relation with same sex. I have seen perfectly fine men who are married to women having sexual relations with males too.
rkt.india Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 So Gay marriage or relations are not just about sex. It has more to it.
Precambrian Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 One does not need to be gay to have physical relation with same sex. I have seen perfectly fine men who are married to women having sexual relations with males too. Yeah, that's called bisexual. Not sure what you meant by 'perfectly fine' though.
rkt.india Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Yeah, that's called bisexual. Not sure what you meant by 'perfectly fine' though. I know about bisexual people. what I meant with that post was that we should not relate being gay means just sex with same gender. It has more to it than just sex. With regards to perfectly fine means having wives and kids and with their behavior, you wont expect them to be indulged in these things.
Book_Worm Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 One does not need to be gay to have physical relation with same sex. I have seen perfectly fine men who are married to women having sexual relations with males too. Well either they could be Bi-sexual or you don't really don't know nothing about them . They could be homosexuals who had no choice and got married to women to please family etc and lead double lifes. Most gays do that.
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