jusarrived Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 5:21 PM, velu said: premium decay is very low in nifty .. so cant play in it How did it go for you past few weeks? Lot of 250 pt swing days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, jusarrived said: How did it go for you past few weeks? Lot of 250 pt swing days last 2 months are good for bank nifty trades .. got 7-8% returns each stoped doing 4 legged bank nifty trades because most pft goes to the brokerage and also premiums are comparatively very low these days .. so doing mostly short straddle or strangle 250pt moves are not that bad for the net short trades in bank nifty .. probable loss will be 10-15 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 59 minutes ago, velu said: last 2 months are good for bank nifty trades .. got 7-8% returns each stoped doing 4 legged bank nifty trades because most pft goes to the brokerage and also premiums are comparatively very low these days .. so doing mostly short straddle or strangle 250pt moves are not that bad for the net short trades in bank nifty .. probable loss will be 10-15 points Cool. Just doesn't work for me, I tried a few times but I lose patience. I think I had one bad day losing about 25 pts, but profits where not marginal. Picking a direction works for me much better. Curious how shorting will work once the trading hrs are extended, the premiums should go up but decay should be much less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, jusarrived said: Cool. Just doesn't work for me, I tried a few times but I lose patience. I think I had one bad day losing about 25 pts, but profits where not marginal. Picking a direction works for me much better. Curious how shorting will work once the trading hrs are extended, the premiums should go up but decay should be much less? Maybe not as the expiry happens on the same day as before. Premiums are probably decided on 'x' days to expiry, not on 'x' trading hours to expiry. Edited August 2, 2018 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 12 hours ago, jusarrived said: Cool. Just doesn't work for me, I tried a few times but I lose patience. I think I had one bad day losing about 25 pts, but profits where not marginal. Picking a direction works for me much better. Curious how shorting will work once the trading hrs are extended, the premiums should go up but decay should be much less? overall option premiums will come down , because now people have more hours ( important bcoz it can trade even after DJ opens ) .. like if the bank nifty starddle cost 300pts , it might cost 275 kind .. 8 hours ago, randomGuy said: Maybe not as the expiry happens on the same day as before. Premiums are probably decided on 'x' days to expiry, not on 'x' trading hours to expiry. there will be net decay during the trading hours as well .. like friday BN strangle was at 385 in the opening and 335 when closing .. closing price at 3.30 is usually less than the theoretical closing price ( without considering demand & supply ) bcoz otherwise people will short and eat premiums .. forgot the term .. will google and update it later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, velu said: overall option premiums will come down , because now people have more hours ( important bcoz it can trade even after DJ opens ) .. like if the bank nifty starddle cost 300pts , it might cost 275 kind .. there will be net decay during the trading hours as well .. like friday BN strangle was at 385 in the opening and 335 when closing .. closing price at 3.30 is usually less than the theoretical closing price ( without considering demand & supply ) bcoz otherwise people will short and eat premiums .. forgot the term .. will google and update it later 9 hours ago, randomGuy said: Maybe not as the expiry happens on the same day as before. Premiums are probably decided on 'x' days to expiry, not on 'x' trading hours to expiry. still not sure how premiums will come down ? irrespective of the days , the more time for expiry the I would play higher premium . your time value has to go up ? This is effectively like how next weeks premiums will quote higher than this weeks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, jusarrived said: still not sure how premiums will come down ? irrespective of the days , the more time for expiry the I would play higher premium . your time value has to go up ? This is effectively like how next weeks premiums will quote higher than this weeks . since psot-mkt hours are open , they have more time to hedge the risks .. so vix will go down like premiums now will include the post mkt hour risks from 3.30pm , but now participants have time till 11.00pm to handle those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 10:52 PM, diga said: With Trumpanomics/Tariff wars, will we see Nifty below 10k in this series? ps: What are the chances of it goiing below 8k now that there is a lot of talk about uncertainity about Modi's re-election? NIFTY stands at 11244.70 on close today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, jusarrived said: still not sure how premiums will come down ? irrespective of the days , the more time for expiry the I would play higher premium . your time value has to go up ? This is effectively like how next weeks premiums will quote higher than this weeks . Premium must go to zero at expiry. If we increase trading hours but keep expiry date as fixed, then just rate of change of premiums (represented in premium decrease per hour) will slow down. Edited August 2, 2018 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 SEBI has released one more ASM list couple of days ago. It's available on NSE website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 https://www.deccanherald.com/national/india-sees-worst-outflow-fiis-693583.html India sees worst outflow of FIIs/FPIs in 18 years... Does this mean another recession/political instability in 2019 for India? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, diga said: https://www.deccanherald.com/national/india-sees-worst-outflow-fiis-693583.html India sees worst outflow of FIIs/FPIs in 18 years... Does this mean another recession/political instability in 2019 for India? Money has been moving out out for EMs , was expected with fed rate hikes . Depends on how you look at it . The inflows have been higher in past few years as well , so the record outflow means very little and also in the same period DIIs have pumped in ~70k cr . I dont think we are close to a recession , infact most indicators show an upward swing for india . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 8/2/2018 at 9:58 PM, randomGuy said: Premium must go to zero at expiry. If we increase trading hours but keep expiry date as fixed, then just rate of change of premiums (represented in premium decrease per hour) will slow down. I get that , rate of change is fine ..but the main factor of premium value is time On 8/2/2018 at 4:20 PM, velu said: since psot-mkt hours are open , they have more time to hedge the risks .. so vix will go down like premiums now will include the post mkt hour risks from 3.30pm , but now participants have time till 11.00pm to handle those I agree with post market risks , but to negate that with longer market hours you are exposed for longer hours so its not like hedging will stop . The deacy you notice during closing and market opening may actually reduce ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, jusarrived said: I get that , rate of change is fine ..but the main factor of premium value is time I agree with post market risks , but to negate that with longer market hours you are exposed for longer hours so its not like hedging will stop . The deacy you notice during closing and market opening may actually reduce ? if there are global events after post mkt session , people who hedge will do it before 3.30.. those hedges now will be pushed and they can actually wait till 11.00pm and decide to hedge or not.. if the events are expected post us mkt hours , they have to hedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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diga Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Will we see 10 k breaking by month end? I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, diga said: Will we see 10 k breaking by month end? I highly doubt that ... whatever happens us mkts keeps going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jusarrived Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 hours ago, velu said: highly doubt that ... whatever happens us mkts keeps going up you never know , if not breaking 10k there is every chance we will get close to it . We are overreacting though , i feel the recovery will also be much faster this time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, jusarrived said: you never know , if not breaking 10k there is every chance we will get close to it . We are overreacting though , i feel the recovery will also be much faster this time . obviously nothing is sure in mkts .. but if i want to give a call on whether it will touch 10k or not for short term , i would say no .. crude and rupee are the bumps for us . but rbi might intervene soon .. last 300/400pts are ebcause of micronews and they are overblown out of proportion .. also participants have the tendency to put RBI or even FED under pressure for smaller rate hikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 10,300 was 11,800 one month back .. 1,500pts in one month bad for option sellers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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