Ranji Trophy 2016/17

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

yeah this season he could not kick on. actually if you exclude Pant, none of the Delhi batsman average more than 43. Milind kumar averages 43, 2nd highest run getter with less than half the runs of Pant. This is the biggest reason why Pant has been so impressive. Nitish Rana has one 100, not 50 this season. but he is still someone to keep an eye on. He has the game to do well in all formats. 

In Tests? Not sure about that... seems more like a T20 specialist for me. And yes, Pont has carried the batting almost single-handedly, but the last 2-3 matches haven't been as productive I guess. Chopra and Panchal have been making merry in the 2nd half of the season.

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, Vijy said:

 In terms of pace, I think that Wahab went from being fast-medium to fast quite late in his life, 

Not in his 30s.

[Vijy]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Not in his 30s.

Wahab is 31, so he's probably actually around 34-35. I think he became a genuine quick only 3-4 years ago, hence he would be in his 30s :)

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Wahab is 31, so he's probably actually around 34-35. I think he became a genuine quick only 3-4 years ago, hence he would be in his 30s :)

i think he was bowling quick even 5 years back.

 

Also, look at the positive side....if Wahab can bowl quick at 35 then it sort of gives more teeth to the theory that quicks are retaining pace till a higher age these days....it gives more hope to Shami's cause.

[SUMO]

fast bowler enters his peak at 27-28 ans shami peaked at around 2015 WC so he may be 29+ at the moment 
I think he is not in 30s

[Vijy]

51 minutes ago, express bowling said:

i think he was bowling quick even 5 years back.

 

Also, look at the positive side....if Wahab can bowl quick at 35 then it sort of gives more teeth to the theory that quicks are retaining pace till a higher age these days....it gives more hope to Shami's cause.

Yes, I agree that it's good news either way :)

 

Let's hope that Shami sustains his form, fitness, speed, etc. for another 4-5 years. Because, I don't see anyone <20 coming through the ranks with all the requisite skills. Most of the promising bunch are in the early 20s, and I wish that the next U19 squads would produce genuine pacers, wrist spinners and batting allrounders.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Vijy

[express bowling]

20 minutes ago, Vijy said:

 

Because, I don't see anyone <20 coming through the ranks with all the requisite skills. 

Avesh Khan

[Vijy]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Avesh Khan

Is he injured? Or politics keeping him out of the side? I thought he had the skills (thanks for correcting me), but a shame if he's not playing because of latter reason.

[MCcricket]

4 hours ago, SUMO said:

fast bowler enters his peak at 27-28 ans shami peaked at around 2015 WC so he may be 29+ at the moment 
I think he is not in 30s

What an obnoxious theory, looks like u live in la la land, correlation between performance n peak fitness plus experience n gaining skill, so according to your theory Ishant will be 16 years old currently n will be a beast in 13 years, whole lotta bull

[sandeep]

Regardless of his current age, barring injuries, I think its reasonable to expect 4-5 years of production from Shami - even if its the worst case scenario with his age, he doesn't quite have the bowling mileage on him yet - so should be at the top of his game for about 4 years or so.  

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Regardless of his current age, barring injuries, I think its reasonable to expect 4-5 years of production from Shami - even if its the worst case scenario with his age, he doesn't quite have the bowling mileage on him yet - so should be at the top of his game for about 4 years or so.  

Sounds about right.

[Vijy]

I have a feeling, based on the selectorial noises, that the ongoing match involving Delhi could decide when Pant makes his debut. If he scores a lot (and perhaps enables Delhi to win), I can see him being brought into the senior team in the ODIs or T20s. If he fails, perhaps the selectors may decide that the time is not "right" and wait for him to play another season.

 

Seems silly to base too many things on 1 innings, but sometimes the margins and criteria for selection are very ad hoc.

[sandeep]

9 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I have a feeling, based on the selectorial noises, that the ongoing match involving Delhi could decide when Pant makes his debut. If he scores a lot (and perhaps enables Delhi to win), I can see him being brought into the senior team in the ODIs or T20s. If he fails, perhaps the selectors may decide that the time is not "right" and wait for him to play another season.

 

Seems silly to base too many things on 1 innings, but sometimes the margins and criteria for selection are very ad hoc.

Not silly - very logical.  Timing matters quite a bit - and given the spate of injuries, there's definitely room on the ODI roster, if not the starting XI.  

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Not silly - very logical.  Timing matters quite a bit - and given the spate of injuries, there's definitely room on the ODI roster, if not the starting XI.  

I meant that it's a bit silly of selectors to read too much into one innings (and I hope they won't). Yes, I agree that the surge of injuries leaves room for an opener and possibly a middle-order slot as well.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Vijy said:

In Tests? Not sure about that... seems more like a T20 specialist for me. And yes, Pont has carried the batting almost single-handedly, but the last 2-3 matches haven't been as productive I guess. Chopra and Panchal have been making merry in the 2nd half of the season.

Only last 3 innings, in one of he got run out. Regarding Nitish Rana, yes, he can be successful in tests too. He was the bright spot last for Delhi, probably only batsman to average 50 plus.

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, Vijy said:

Yes, I agree that it's good news either way :)

 

Let's hope that Shami sustains his form, fitness, speed, etc. for another 4-5 years. Because, I don't see anyone <20 coming through the ranks with all the requisite skills. Most of the promising bunch are in the early 20s, and I wish that the next U19 squads would produce genuine pacers, wrist spinners and batting allrounders.

You don't need sub 20 bowlers nor we should select bowlers at such a young age. They are always raw and not strong or developed enough. We should only look at bowlers who are 22 or more.

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Only last 3 innings, in one of he got run out. Regarding Nitish Rana, yes, he can be successful in tests too. He was the bright spot last for Delhi, probably only batsman to average 50 plus.

Was the run out his fault or the partner - if the former, he should correct it. Regarding Rana, one good season means nothing. Look at Robin Bist, and maybe Panchal (although Panchal had a very good 2015-16 season too).

[Vijy]

Just now, rkt.india said:

You don't need sub 20 bowlers nor we should select bowlers at such a young age. They are always raw and not strong or developed enough. We should only look at bowlers who are 22 or more.

Ishant did quite well at 19. Akram, Imran, etc. were all pretty raw but learnt on the job. Amir also.

Of course, there's the risk of injury like Cummins.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

i think he was bowling quick even 5 years back.

 

Also, look at the positive side....if Wahab can bowl quick at 35 then it sort of gives more teeth to the theory that quicks are retaining pace till a higher age these days....it gives more hope to Shami's cause.

Yes, in 2011 wc, he was bowling high 140s.

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Ishant did quite well at 19. Akram, Imran, etc. were all pretty raw but learnt on the job. Amir also.

Of course, there's the risk of injury like Cummins.

No, ishant didn't do well at 19. He averaged 58 in Australia. Regarding Pakistani bowlers, it really naive to think those were real ages. Add at least 4-5 years in them.

Edited December 10, 2016 by rkt.india