A list of all our Main bowlers in each format(Not a wish list)

[maniac]

This is not a wish list....Looks like give or take this is the order of preference for each format when all the bowlers are fit....Am I missing anyone?

 

This seems to be the first order of preference as of now.....feel free to add names of realistic backups and not some one who you would want to have in the side.

 

Looks like Varun Aaron is done for now

 

I have also omitted Thakur,Dhawal and Jayant Yadav because what is the realistic chance that they are next in line.

 

Tests

1.Ashwin

2.Ishant

3.Shami

4.Umesh

5.Jadeja

6.Bhuvi

7.Mishra

 

 

ODI's

1.Ashwin

2.Shami

3.Jadeja

4.Bumrah

5.Pandya

6.Bhuvi

7.Mishra

8.Umesh

 

T20I's

1.Ashwin

2.Bumrah

3.Jadeja

4.Shami

5.Mishra

6.Pandya

7.Nehra

8.Bhuvi

9.Sran

 

 

[express bowling]

It is better to classify pacers and spinners separately because they rarely compete for the same position and the number of pacers and spinners are decided by the pitch and playing conditions or the captain.

 

Pacers --

 

Test matches --

 

Shami

Ishant

Umesh 

Bhuvneshwar ( would be 2nd if swing friendly conditions )

Shardul

Aaron

 

ODI --

 

Shami

Bumrah

Pandya

Bhuvneshwar

Umesh

Dhawal

Sran

 

T20Is --

 

Bumrah

Bhuvneshwar

Pandya

Shami

Sran

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2016 by express bowling

[Tibarn]

I don't think Shami makes the T20 team. At least not based on his previous work in the IPL...

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

It is better to classify pacers and spinner s separately because they are rarely compete for the same position and the number of pacers and spinners are decided by the pitch and playing conditions or the captain.

 

Pacers --

 

Test matches --

 

Shami

Ishant

Umesh 

Bhuvneshwar ( would be 2nd if swing friendly conditions )

Shardul

Aaron

 

ODI --

 

Shami

Bumrah

Pandya

Bhuvneshwar

Umesh

Dhawal

Sran

 

T20Is --

 

Bumrah

Bhuvneshwar

Pandya

Shami

Sran

 

 

 

I am not sure if Aaron is in the scheme of things atleast for the time being.....He is behind Thakur and Kulkarni right now by the looks of it...I don't know if he is injured or just fallen out of favor currently.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

I am not sure if Aaron is in the scheme of things atleast for the time being.....He is behind Thakur and Kulkarni right now by the looks of it...I don't know if he is injured or just fallen out of favor currently.

He is behind Thakur but not Kulkarni, in test matches.

 

Thakur and Aaron were our first 2 pacers on our A tour for the 4 day Unofficial test matches.

8 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

I don't think Shami makes the T20 team. At least not based on his previous work in the IPL...

 

he should not....but the OP stated that this is not a wish list but the actual pecking order. Shami was in our last T20I playing 11.

I hate this feature of posts getting merged.

[bowl_out]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

It is better to classify pacers and spinner s separately because they are rarely compete for the same position and the number of pacers and spinners are decided by the pitch and playing conditions or the captain.

 

Pacers --

 

Test matches --

 

Shami

Ishant

Umesh 

Bhuvneshwar ( would be 2nd if swing friendly conditions )

Shardul

Aaron

 

ODI --

 

Shami

Bumrah

Pandya

Bhuvneshwar

Umesh

Dhawal

Sran

 

 

 

Looks fine for Tests.. But in ODIs, Umesh surely features higher.. I'd put Bumrh, Shami, Umesh in the top 3

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Looks fine for Tests.. But in ODIs, Umesh surely features higher.. I'd put Bumrh, Shami, Umesh in the top 3

The OP  says it is not a wishlist. ....but what is actually happening.

 

Pandya is  ahead because he is an all-rounder.

[bowl_out]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

The OP  says it is not a wishlist. ....but what is actually happening.

 

Pandya is  ahead because he is an all-rounder.

I understand that.. Umesh is still ahead of Bhuvi who last played an ODI in Jan.. Umesh played ahead of Bhuvi in the WC too.

This is Pandya's first ODI series.. He has done well so far, but it would be interesting to see if he plays as a first choice seamer when Jadeja and Shami are back..

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, bowl_out said:

I understand that.. Umesh is still ahead of Bhuvi who last played an ODI in Jan.. Umesh played ahead of Bhuvi in the WC too.

This is Pandya's first ODI series.. He has done well so far, but it would be interesting to see if he plays as a first choice seamer when Jadeja and Shami are back..

 Pandya  will play to lend balance to the side.  Jadeja will replace Axar and Shami will replace Umesh.  

[maniac]

I think we have a decent pool of bowlers especially fast bowlers.....I think we need to induct young pacers to play around them but the main pool right now looks promising....Do we have any overseas tests in the next year or so?

 

They all seem to be a good mix of pace,skill as well as experience.....Hope they start translating this into consistency.

 

Shami,Umesh,Bhuvi and Ishant have done well in the last year or so in tests even though they have been spin friendly wickets for the most part. I think we need to have 2 more young seamers to the mix who at least have some exposure in case of injury....Shardul or any other new bowler should be given a game at least when the series is sealed so that if we go overseas we won't be debuting a rookie fast bowler.

 

Infact our ODI pool looks more balanced than test pool for fast bowlers.

 

Edited October 24, 2016 by maniac

[bowl_out]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 Pandya  will play to lend balance to the side.  Jadeja will replace Axar and Shami will replace Umesh.  

Hmm.. Somehow don't feel confident with just 3 mainstream bowlers + Jadeja, Pandya..

Feel like that is one bowler short, particularly when there are hardly any part timers in the XI.

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

I think we have a decent pool of bowlers especially fast bowlers.....I think we need to induct young pacers to play around them but the main pool right now looks promising....Do we have any overseas tests in the next year or so?

 

They all seem to be a good mix of pace,skill as well as experience.....Hope they start translating this into consistency.

 

Shami,Umesh,Bhuvi and Ishant have done well in the last year or so in tests even though they have been spin friendly wickets for the most part. I think we need to have 2 more young seamers to the mix who at least have some exposure in case of injury....Shardul or any other new bowler should be given a game at least when the series is sealed so that if we go overseas we won't be debuting a rookie fast bowler.

 

Infact our ODI pool looks more promising than test pool for fast bowlers.

 

 

In the next 12 to 18 months, I would like to see some more potentially wicket taking bowlers in the test side....and that would include Nathu Singh, Kuldeep Yadav and Shardul Thakur.  Aaron too if he can  improve his accuracy.

 

Nathu Singh would also be a great introduction to the LOI side as he can bowl accurate, swinging yorkers at high pace.  Sran is another one with good potential in LOIs.  Same with Chahal.

Edited October 24, 2016 by express bowling

[Bleed-Blue]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

In the next 12 to 18 months, I would like to see some more potentially wicket taking bowlers in the test side....and that would include Nathu Singh, Kuldeep Yadav and Shardul Thakur.  Aaron too if he can  improve his accuracy.

 

Nathu Singh would be a great introduction to the LOI side too as he can bowl accurate, swinging yorkers at high pace.  Sran is another one with good potential in LOIs.  Same with Chahal.

Do you think Bumrah can play Test? His First class record is good.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Hmm.. Somehow don't feel confident with just 3 mainstream bowlers + Jadeja, Pandya..

Feel like that is one bowler short, particularly when there are hardly any part timers in the XI.

Agree...which is why we need someone like a  Jadhav in the playing 11.  It is a bit strange that none of our top order batters can actually bowl decently these days.

2 minutes ago, Bleed-Blue said:

Do you think Bumrah can play Test? His First class record is good.

 

Previously, I was under the impression that he should be able to.

 

But, after watching him in this year's Duleep Trophy....I was disappointed with the way he bowled in the longest format. His pace was down, and he  got less movement than other pacers in the same match.   His intensity also dropped in the last session of the day.

[Tibarn]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

In the next 12 to 18 months, I would like to see some more potentially wicket taking bowlers in the test side....and that would include Nathu Singh, Kuldeep Yadav and Shardul Thakur.  Aaron too if he can  improve his accuracy.

 

Nathu Singh would also be a great introduction to the LOI side as he can bowl accurate, swinging yorkers at high pace.  Sran is another one with good potential in LOIs.  Same with Chahal.

Ponting was speaking highly of Nathu Singh in the IPL but never played him 

 

Chahal has had a good last few IPLs and Sran was a good replacement for the injured Nehra this season. 

[bowl_out]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Agree...which is why we need someone like a  Jadhav in the playing 11.  It is a bit strange that none of our top order batters can actually bowl decently these days.

Which is why I am skeptical about playing both Jadeja and Pandya.. I'd instead have one of them play based on conditions and play a 5th bowler instead. This looks a more stable XI to me.

 

 rohit 

 dhawan 

 kohli 

 dhoni 

 pandey 

 rahul 

 pandya/jadeja 

 ashwin 

 bhuvi/umesh 

 shami 

 bumrah 

[maniac]

17 minutes ago, Bleed-Blue said:

Do you think Bumrah can play Test? His First class record is good.

As I mentioned in a different thread...Bumrah can't field...can't bat and is not that good with the new ball.....needs more dimensions to become a successful test bowler....so far he is a gun bowler at the death and in the middle and overall is very economical.

[Tibarn]

Here's lists for the last three years for T20 and ODI

T20s

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
R Ashwin	2014-2016	26	26	94.1	1	583	38	4/8	15.34	6.19	14.8	2	0
RA Jadeja	2014-2016	24	24	82.0	1	588	23	3/48	25.56	7.17	21.3	0	0
JJ Bumrah	2016-2016	17	17	63.3	3	446	22	3/23	20.27	7.02	17.3	0	0
A Nehra	2016-2016	15	15	53.0	1	372	18	3/23	20.66	7.01	17.6	0	0
HH Pandya	2016-2016	15	15	41.3	0	349	14	3/8	24.92	8.40	17.7	0	0
A Mishra	2014-2016	7	7	26.0	1	171	13	3/24	13.15	6.57	12.0	0	0
Mohammed Shami	2014-2016	6	6	20.4	0	204	8	3/38	25.50	9.87	15.5	0	0
SK Raina	2014-2016	24	13	29.1	0	185	7	2/6	26.42	6.34	25.0	0	0
B Kumar	2014-2016	10	10	33.0	0	235	5	1/7	47.00	7.12	39.6	0	0
Yuvraj Singh	2014-2016	20	9	16.0	0	116	4	1/7	29.00	7.25	24.0	0	0
MM Sharma	2014-2015	6	6	16.0	0	149	3	1/11	49.66	9.31	32.0	0	0
S Aravind	2015-2015	1	1	3.4	0	44	1	1/44	44.00	12.00	22.0	0	0
V Kohli	2014-2016	23	1	1.4	0	15	1	1/15	15.00	9.00	10.0	0	0
AR Patel	2015-2015	2	2	7.0	0	62	1	1/17	62.00	8.85	42.0	0	0
KV Sharma	2014-2014	1	1	4.0	0	28	1	1/28	28.00	7.00	24.0	0	0

ODIs

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Mohammed Shami	2013-2015	32	31	265.3	14	1560	66	4/35	23.63	5.87	24.1	5	0
UT Yadav	2013-2016	31	30	251.1	7	1516	50	4/31	30.32	6.03	30.1	3	0
R Ashwin	2013-2016	36	36	339.2	13	1651	47	3/39	35.12	4.86	43.3	0	0
RA Jadeja	2013-2016	38	37	341.3	6	1810	42	4/28	43.09	5.30	48.7	1	0
B Kumar	2013-2016	32	32	265.5	12	1480	28	3/41	52.85	5.56	56.9	0	0
AR Patel	2014-2016	22	19	172.4	6	826	24	3/39	34.41	4.78	43.1	0	0
MM Sharma	2013-2015	20	19	142.5	7	834	21	4/22	39.71	5.83	40.8	1	0
A Mishra	2013-2016	13	12	118.5	3	646	19	3/49	34.00	5.43	37.5	0	0
I Sharma	2013-2016	12	11	94.0	3	552	19	4/34	29.05	5.87	29.6	3	0
STR Binny	2014-2015	11	9	54.4	3	288	14	6/4	20.57	5.26	23.4	0	1
SK Raina	2013-2015	42	30	125.0	2	659	14	3/34	47.07	5.27	53.5	0	0
DS Kulkarni	2014-2015	6	6	49.2	1	260	11	4/34	23.63	5.27	26.9	1	0
JJ Bumrah	2016-2016	4	4	37.4	1	156	7	3/35	22.28	4.14	32.2	0	0
Harbhajan Singh	2015-2015	4	4	40.0	0	212	6	2/50	35.33	5.30	40.0	0	0
KM Jadhav	2014-2016	4	3	10.0	0	46	6	3/29	7.66	4.60	10.0	0	0
VR Aaron	2014-2014	5	5	35.1	0	263	5	2/60	52.60	7.47	42.2	0	0
HH Pandya	2016-2016	3	3	21.0	0	110	3	3/31	36.66	5.23	42.0	0	0
AT Rayudu	2014-2015	24	7	18.0	1	111	3	1/5	37.00	6.16	36.0	0	0
BB Sran	2016-2016	3	3	26.2	1	170	3	3/56	56.66	6.45	52.6	0	0
V Kohli	2013-2016	53	17	35.2	0	230	2	1/15	115.00	6.50	106.0	0	0
Parvez Rasool	2014-2014	1	1	10.0	0	60	2	2/60	30.00	6.00	30.0	0	0
R Dhawan	2016-2016	3	3	25.0	0	160	1	1/74	160.00	6.40	150.0	0	0
R Vinay Kumar	2013-2013	1	1	9.0	0	102	1	1/102	102.00	11.33	54.0	0	0

 

Yadav has a really good SR, 2nd best among our regular ODI bowlers as well as 2nd in wickets, but also has a 6 ER. Need to avoid using him at the death. Maybe a Bumrah-Shami-Yadav attack can be tried in ODIs. Bumrah and Shami would have to be the death bowlers. 

[Vijy]

On 10/24/2016 at 5:16 PM, express bowling said:

 

In the next 12 to 18 months, I would like to see some more potentially wicket taking bowlers in the test side....and that would include Nathu Singh, Kuldeep Yadav and Shardul Thakur.  Aaron too if he can  improve his accuracy.

 

Nathu Singh would also be a great introduction to the LOI side as he can bowl accurate, swinging yorkers at high pace.  Sran is another one with good potential in LOIs.  Same with Chahal.

Yes, I quite agree (except Aaron).